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MLB Playoffs - Division Series Thread
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Post by gerry on Oct 8, 2020 2:39:47 GMT -5
Yay Rays. SoCal is wishin anda hopin’, tears of joy and sadness. Much as I like Dave Roberts, Mookie, Fightin’ Joe Kelly et al, the Padres came soo close tonite. Wouldn’t Mitchie Two Bags look good back in a Sox uni in 2021, mentoring Dalbec and stabilizing that clubhouse? Just sayin’.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 8, 2020 3:49:43 GMT -5
The 9th inning of the Dodgers-Padres game was very exciting, courtesy of one of those patented Joe Kelly moments. Jansen had come in to try to close out a 6-3 lead but he's just a shadow of himself these days. Fastball barely tops out at 90. He gets one out, gives up a single, then Moreland launches one of his rockets into the gap in right for a double scoring the runner. He gets another out but gives up a hit to Grisham and Moreland scores. With Tatis coming to bat, Roberts pulls Jansen for smokin' Joe and the fun begins. Two extended at bats, enough to chew down all the available fingernails on both teams. Tatis and Machado both walk and he finally gets Hosmer to ground out with the bases loaded. Dodger end-of-game celebration amounts to what looks to be a collective sigh of relief. They've actually been using Graterol on and off as the closer but he's got his own issues. This appears to be a weak point for them. There was an epic 7th inning, too, when the Dodgers were leading 4-3 and Treinen hit Grisham with two outs. They bring in Graterol to face Tatis and he immediately balks the tying run into scoring position. Graterol tries another first pitch and Tatis appears to render the balk moot by crushing it 413' (105.0) to dead center. Bellinger has a long and winding route to the fence where he leaps and makes a sensational catch. Graterol flings his glove in imitation of Machado's bat flip in the previous inning. Machado comes out of the dugout dropping f-bombs, Graterol throws him a kiss and a good portion of the Dogders bench f-bombs Machado.
In the bottom half, Drew Pomeranz comes in with 1 out and Mookie on 2nd (on a FC) and Seager on first, and they pull off a double steal without a throw on Pomeranz's first pitch, which turns out to be key, because Turner's deep fly that follows brings in a run, and on the next pitch Muncy plates the eventual game-winner on a 73.8 mph bloop with a .170 xBA.
The ninth had 49 pitches, including 11 down-to-their-last strike ones:
Grisham ball 3 Grisham 1B to plate Moreland, make it 6-5, and chase Jansen Tatis ball 3 Tatis ball 4 Machado ball 2 Machado foul Machado foul Machado ball 3 Machado ball 4 to load the bases Hosmer 1-2 foul Hosmer 109.0 grounder right at Hernandez
It's already bring called a classic game. It made me very happy even though the wrong team won.
Wow ... after Machado and Hosmer went back to back in the 6th, the teams went 1 for 10 with a SF on hard-hit balls. Expected hits on these: 4.9.
Right now, we don't know whether there will be 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 games on Friday. Four elimination games tomorrow, but none are winner-take-all. Has that ever happened before?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 8, 2020 9:10:38 GMT -5
Yay Rays. SoCal is wishin anda hopin’, tears of joy and sadness. Much as I like Dave Roberts, Mookie, Fightin’ Joe Kelly et al, the Padres came soo close tonite. Wouldn’t Mitchie Two Bags look good back in a Sox uni in 2021, mentoring Dalbec and stabilizing that clubhouse? Just sayin’. At this point, all Moreland would be doing, as the LH bat of a platoon, is taking ABs away from Dalbec, which really doesn't help the Red Sox find out what they truly have in Dalbec. It's time for the Red Sox to move on. I'll always appreciate what Moreland - especially that 3 run bomb in Game 4 of the 2018 WS, but it's time to go with the younger players. That's where I am with Brock Holt as well - I wasn't there last year, but I'm there now.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 8, 2020 11:27:37 GMT -5
Yay Rays. SoCal is wishin anda hopin’, tears of joy and sadness. Much as I like Dave Roberts, Mookie, Fightin’ Joe Kelly et al, the Padres came soo close tonite. Wouldn’t Mitchie Two Bags look good back in a Sox uni in 2021, mentoring Dalbec and stabilizing that clubhouse? Just sayin’. At this point, all Moreland would be doing, as the LH bat of a platoon, is taking ABs away from Dalbec, which really doesn't help the Red Sox find out what they truly have in Dalbec. It's time for the Red Sox to move on. I'll always appreciate what Moreland - especially that 3 run bomb in Game 4 of the 2018 WS, but it's time to go with the younger players. That's where I am with Brock Holt as well - I wasn't there last year, but I'm there now. You wrote this soon after he doubled (RBI, R) in the 9th inning of a playoff game to ignite an almost epic rally.
So your plan is ...
-- Dalbec plays all 162 games -- Magic potion, Dalbec never gets hurt -- New rule to put Sox on equal footing with other teams: no pinch-hitting by LHB
No one's talking about a recognizable platoon at 1B. But there are pitchers who dominate RHB and struggle badly against LHB, and you need to give Dalbec a rest once in a while.
They do need a LHB off the bench, it's going to be a 1B (since the whole OF is likely to be hitting LH), and Moreland is the obvious best candidate. The thing that makes it unlikely is that he may be overqualified and hence unavailable at a price you'd be willing to pay.
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Post by manfred on Oct 8, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -5
At this point, all Moreland would be doing, as the LH bat of a platoon, is taking ABs away from Dalbec, which really doesn't help the Red Sox find out what they truly have in Dalbec. It's time for the Red Sox to move on. I'll always appreciate what Moreland - especially that 3 run bomb in Game 4 of the 2018 WS, but it's time to go with the younger players. That's where I am with Brock Holt as well - I wasn't there last year, but I'm there now. You wrote this soon after he doubled (RBI, R) in the 9th inning of a playoff game to ignite an almost epic rally.
So your plan is ...
-- Dalbec plays all 162 games -- Magic potion, Dalbec never gets hurt -- New rule to put Sox on equal footing with other teams: no pinch-hitting by LHB
No one's talking about a recognizable platoon at 1B. But there are pitchers who dominate RHB and struggle badly against LHB, and you need to give Dalbec a rest once in a while.
They do need a LHB off the bench, it's going to be a 1B (since the whole OF is likely to be hitting LH), and Moreland is the obvious best candidate. The thing that makes it unlikely is that he may be overqualified and hence unavailable at a price you'd be willing to pay.
He has at least one great quality: at his age he won’t expect a long contract. So if they have to go slightly above what they want to spend, it’d likely only be for a year or two, which is manageable. I like this idea. I am a huge believer in known factors... MM has already shown what he can do for the Sox. That is big.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 8, 2020 12:46:00 GMT -5
Rays lineup tonight against Jordan Montgomery will be real interesting. He has a huge platoon split, and then can start 7 RHB if they want, with Mike Brosseau at 1B, Yandy Diaz at 3B, Margot in RF, and Hunter Renfroe at DH. Of course, those are also all your potential pinch-hitters against Britton and Chapman. They'll have projections of all four of those guys plus Choi, Wendle, Meadows, and Tsutsugo against all three pitchers, plus a handle on how good each of the RHB are as pinch-hitters.
Renfroe's been a sensational pinch-hitter, but Diaz is a guy who walks a lot, especially in that role.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 8, 2020 14:06:55 GMT -5
At this point, all Moreland would be doing, as the LH bat of a platoon, is taking ABs away from Dalbec, which really doesn't help the Red Sox find out what they truly have in Dalbec. It's time for the Red Sox to move on. I'll always appreciate what Moreland - especially that 3 run bomb in Game 4 of the 2018 WS, but it's time to go with the younger players. That's where I am with Brock Holt as well - I wasn't there last year, but I'm there now. You wrote this soon after he doubled (RBI, R) in the 9th inning of a playoff game to ignite an almost epic rally. So your plan is ... -- Dalbec plays all 162 games -- Magic potion, Dalbec never gets hurt -- New rule to put Sox on equal footing with other teams: no pinch-hitting by LHB No one's talking about a recognizable platoon at 1B. But there are pitchers who dominate RHB and struggle badly against LHB, and you need to give Dalbec a rest once in a while. They do need a LHB off the bench, it's going to be a 1B (since the whole OF is likely to be hitting LH), and Moreland is the obvious best candidate. The thing that makes it unlikely is that he may be overqualified and hence unavailable at a price you'd be willing to pay.
Your last sentence makes the point that's most obvious. What would attract Mitch Moreland to a team more, the ability to be the LH half of a platoon where he gets 400 ABs or so or be a part-time guy getting 150 - 200 ABs so he can be a PH and come into against a particular righty? Which do you think is a bigger selling point to Moreland? If he is signing with the Red Sox, it's because he would be expecting to play the majority of the time, which would hamper Dalbec's ability to play regularly. I can see that you really aren't considering what Moreland is most likely thinking. Try putting yourself in his shoes. The man can still hit. If you were him, why would you settle for a 200 AB type season when you can play regularly against righties and hit the bench against lefties and get 400 ABs? I have no doubt that if the Red Sox offered Moreland the ability to be a platoon regular and get those 400 ABs he'd seriously consider coming back, especially if the money is around what others offer, but if those ABs aren't there, why would he come back? The only answer would be is because you're a Red Sox fan and you think the players think like a Red Sox fan would, but they don't. Moreland is going to go where there's playing time. Not sure what's up with your snarky "no bench allowed" comments, but I would anticipate a LH PH type who can play 1b, but I doubt it's somebody who has every reason to anticipate almost a full season's worth of ABs.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 8, 2020 14:29:06 GMT -5
MAttingly is not a postseason manager.
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Post by soxin8 on Oct 8, 2020 14:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by jkfer98 on Oct 8, 2020 18:01:11 GMT -5
In retrospect, the Astros getting in was always dangerous. Water always finds its level - Altuve, Springer, and Correa are much, much better than the numbers they put up this season (yes, even without trashcans).
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Post by shagworthy on Oct 8, 2020 18:01:52 GMT -5
MAttingly is not a postseason manager. The fact that they were even in the postseason, hell even a conversation of one is remarkable on it's own given that pre-corona and pre-season if you told anyone they would be, they would have asked you where you buy your weed. They were a flawed playoff team, as is ultimately Atlanta who will soon meet their demise in the next round. This year is LA's best shot, and will go a long way into proving Dave Roberts can be a postseason manager who doesn't outthink himself. I would expect next year San Diego will be even better, if they can get some semblance of a usable rotation. I feel like a San Diego with Lament and Clevinger healthy come playoff time would have made this series much more competitive, but alas, some bad luck and the keys have been given to LA. I am hopeful the Rays dispatch the Yankees, just because well, it's the Yankees, and their season ending in disappointment is like food to my soul. I'd like the A's to claw back and deny the Stros, but that's also not likely considering they are missing a key component of their offense. Here's for a Rays vs. LA series, with the Rays squeaking out a win in 6.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 8, 2020 18:56:06 GMT -5
You wrote this soon after he doubled (RBI, R) in the 9th inning of a playoff game to ignite an almost epic rally. So your plan is ... -- Dalbec plays all 162 games -- Magic potion, Dalbec never gets hurt -- New rule to put Sox on equal footing with other teams: no pinch-hitting by LHB No one's talking about a recognizable platoon at 1B. But there are pitchers who dominate RHB and struggle badly against LHB, and you need to give Dalbec a rest once in a while. They do need a LHB off the bench, it's going to be a 1B (since the whole OF is likely to be hitting LH), and Moreland is the obvious best candidate. The thing that makes it unlikely is that he may be overqualified and hence unavailable at a price you'd be willing to pay.
Your last sentence makes the point that's most obvious. What would attract Mitch Moreland to a team more, the ability to be the LH half of a platoon where he gets 400 ABs or so or be a part-time guy getting 150 - 200 ABs so he can be a PH and come into against a particular righty? Which do you think is a bigger selling point to Moreland? If he is signing with the Red Sox, it's because he would be expecting to play the majority of the time, which would hamper Dalbec's ability to play regularly. I can see that you really aren't considering what Moreland is most likely thinking. Try putting yourself in his shoes. The man can still hit. If you were him, why would you settle for a 200 AB type season when you can play regularly against righties and hit the bench against lefties and get 400 ABs? I have no doubt that if the Red Sox offered Moreland the ability to be a platoon regular and get those 400 ABs he'd seriously consider coming back, especially if the money is around what others offer, but if those ABs aren't there, why would he come back? The only answer would be is because you're a Red Sox fan and you think the players think like a Red Sox fan would, but they don't. Moreland is going to go where there's playing time. Not sure what's up with your snarky "no bench allowed" comments, but I would anticipate a LH PH type who can play 1b, but I doubt it's somebody who has every reason to anticipate almost a full season's worth of ABs. You guys are missing the obvious. Sign Moreland and Pillar and trade them at the deadline. It could be an annual ritual. That said, the Padres would be crazy not to exercise his $3M option then trade him themselves. Moreland would then cost $3M plus what you would have to give up.
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Post by manfred on Oct 8, 2020 19:43:49 GMT -5
In fact, the scored 4.57 R/G and the Western League scored 4.74.
It is hard to see how they won the West.
So hard. It is possible (crazy guess) that there is another part of baseball that is equally as important as hitting?
They had a 3.87 ERA, which is 3.80 if adjusted for league, and that's the third best mark in MLB (Dodgers and Rays are 1-2).
When you omit the Central League, the 7 best RA/G were:
LAD TBR OAK SDP NYY HOU ATL
The Dodgers, Braves, Padres, and Yankees are four best hitting teams excluding the Central, but the White Sox are likely next. The Astros, Rays, and A's all made the DS while scoring fewer runs than us
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The great thing about the playoffs is that you can root based on two or three criteria. You can root for a team whose front office you admire for their smarts and character, even if their ballpark and fans are a trainwreck. Or you can root for a city / ballpark / fans combo that you admire, even if you hate the front office.
LAD vs SDP -- I can't root for a team where the fans leave to beat the traffic with the score tied. I can't root for Mookie when he chose to leave us. OTOH, I can't root for a team whose GM once screwed us on a trade by not sharing the correct medicals. But I can root for a team in one of the nicest cities I've ever been to (the first thing I did when I came home was look up how far away they were from a fault line --they're right on top of one, so no winter home there for me!), that has a great park, and above all, has a history of great, great, passionate fans (story available upon request). And I can root for a team that has Mitch Moreland on it. Tatis? Love him, bit he's used up negating Machado.
ATL vs MIA. I always like to root for the underdog, and the Marlins ownership treated us fabulously when SABR was in Miami. However, that plus is adjusted slightly downward for them selling the team to Derek Jeter. And the Braves have a much better shot at knocking off the Dodgers.
OAK vs HOU. I've always rooted for the A's any year we're not in it. It doesn't hurt that the Astros are easy to hate (and the Osuna thing bothers me much more than the cheating).
TBR vs NYY. Seriously? And I give the Tampa fans a pass for not coming out to that ballpark.
The third criterion? I've been known to root for whichever team's manager is being smarter, and change mid-game. It just hurts me to root for stupidity!
Let me put it differently: they have a weak lineup and mediocre pitching that appears to have had a surprising 60-game stretch. They had 5 guys start 9 or more times. The second lowest ERA was 4.50 — only one guy with an ERA+ better than 101. Or, put yet another way: Martin Perez would be their clear #2 starter. So their pitching strength was clearly in the bullpen. I stand corrected. The A’s pitching makes quite an impression.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 8, 2020 21:25:00 GMT -5
I know they've previously scored some runs in this series, but this Rays lineup just seems pretty bad. Hopefully Ji-Man Choi continues to be Cole's father tomorrow and the Rays take the finale.
Meanwhile, the Dodgers are looking like a machine poised for the sweep early in their game.
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Post by manfred on Oct 8, 2020 21:26:54 GMT -5
Yankees-Astros Braves-Dodgers
Even with the weirdness of the season things look on track to be pretty predictable.
Edit: obviously the Rays are still in it. But can’t you just see how this is going?
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 8, 2020 21:29:01 GMT -5
Yankees-Astros Braves-Dodgers Even with the weirdness of the season things look on track to be pretty predictable. Edit: obviously the Rays are still in it. But can’t you just see how this is going? Mookie will come through for us and rake against the Yankees like he always does.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 8, 2020 21:34:21 GMT -5
Within seconds of me turning to game... Voit homered. Yanks routed.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 8, 2020 21:38:01 GMT -5
It's looking more and more like NYY/LA for the World Series. As much as I hate the idea of seeing the Yankees in the World Series (I just don't think the Rays will put up enough offense against Gerit Cole in Game 5.), it would be kind of ironic - I mean the last time we had a season this short was the 1981 season and sure enough it was NYY/LA for that World SEries as well - with LA winning, so hopefully that result would repeat itself if LA does play the NYY.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 9, 2020 14:07:34 GMT -5
I should have made it clear that I thought SD would pick up his option and would probably keep him as a DH option (assuming the NL keeps the DH) and pinch hitter. That's why the cost to acquire would likely be excessive, if his role here is purely bench.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 9, 2020 14:22:07 GMT -5
It's looking more and more like NYY/LA for the World Series. As much as I hate the idea of seeing the Yankees in the World Series (I just don't think the Rays will put up enough offense against Gerit Cole in Game 5.), it would be kind of ironic - I mean the last time we had a season this short was the 1981 season and sure enough it was NYY/LA for that World SEries as well - with LA winning, so hopefully that result would repeat itself if LA does play the NYY. Neither Cole nor Snell has ever started on 3 days rest. However, Snell in his career has been much better with 5+ days rest than with 4 days: 2.90 ERA vs. 3.72, .644 OPS allowed vs. .689. On 4 days he has more strikeouts, but more home runs and fewer GDP's. If his 3-day rest performance is like 4 days but more extreme, the Rays have little chance.
Cole has been a bit better on 4 days than 5+, but that definitely doesn't translate into even better on 3 days. In fact, if the extra rest throws off his timing and pitching on 3 days meant he had one fewer side session, you would expect him to struggle on 3 days, as well.
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Post by manfred on Oct 9, 2020 15:11:31 GMT -5
It's looking more and more like NYY/LA for the World Series. As much as I hate the idea of seeing the Yankees in the World Series (I just don't think the Rays will put up enough offense against Gerit Cole in Game 5.), it would be kind of ironic - I mean the last time we had a season this short was the 1981 season and sure enough it was NYY/LA for that World SEries as well - with LA winning, so hopefully that result would repeat itself if LA does play the NYY. Neither Cole nor Snell has ever started on 3 days rest. However, Snell in his career has been much better with 5+ days rest than with 4 days: 2.90 ERA vs. 3.72, .644 OPS allowed vs. .689. On 4 days he has more strikeouts, but more home runs and fewer GDP's. If his 3-day rest performance is like 4 days but more extreme, the Rays have little chance.
Cole has been a bit better on 4 days than 5+, but that definitely doesn't translate into even better on 3 days. In fact, if the extra rest throws off his timing and pitching on 3 days meant he had one fewer side session, you would expect him to struggle on 3 days, as well.
Snell —nope, Glasnow — is the last chance for a below-league-average payroll to advance. We already have #2 and #4, with #1 backing Cole. Braves are #14, just above league average.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 9, 2020 17:50:33 GMT -5
Snell is supposed to be theie best pitcher. That he isn't going for them says they aren't confident in him, at least in this situation. Isn't Glasnow pitching on 1 day fewer rest.
No matter, I guess. I could care less how they go about it, just friggin win, would ya ??
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 9, 2020 19:12:31 GMT -5
Snell threw 84 pitches on Mon. Glasnow 93 pitches on Tues. Glasnow done after 37 pitches.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 9, 2020 19:38:20 GMT -5
Ray's have been no hit for the last 10 innings. I kind of had the feeling that the Ray's weren't going to outslug the Yankees during this series, and it's going to cost them.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 9, 2020 19:57:51 GMT -5
Ray's have been no hit for the last 10 innings. I kind of had the feeling that the Ray's weren't going to outslug the Yankees during this series, and it's going to cost them. Meadows!!!!! Good job bro!
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