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Post by manfred on Jun 1, 2021 21:46:07 GMT -5
this would a great time for a blast Marwin Add: or roll one over to second thats cool too And... the error.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 1, 2021 21:52:00 GMT -5
Weird, I was watching a ballgame and all of a sudden they broke in with Bad News Bears.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2021 21:52:24 GMT -5
Everything is out of synch at the moment - Cora's decisions (esp on batting order - Kiki leading off, and in this game, bullpen use) - the defense, the bridge to Barnes relief pitching, and the bats. Gotta be sure this likely 2 game losing streak doesn't balloon.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 1, 2021 21:54:36 GMT -5
what a fugly inning
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Post by marrcus on Jun 1, 2021 21:54:45 GMT -5
Whitlock gets a big test here. Got to through strikes and take chances. I saw this series as a positive if RS split. May be out of reach now.
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Post by jkfer98 on Jun 1, 2021 21:56:32 GMT -5
Damn, what a disaster of an inning
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Post by incandenza on Jun 1, 2021 22:04:00 GMT -5
this would a great time for a blast Marwin Add: or roll one over to second thats cool too And... the error. Probably cost them 3 runs.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 1, 2021 22:06:34 GMT -5
Probably cost them 3 runs. Devers needs to sit for a few games as well. His head is not in the right place and it’s showing on both sides of the field.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 1, 2021 22:12:53 GMT -5
Disgusting.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 1, 2021 22:16:49 GMT -5
Have to beat good teams too...
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Post by soxinsf on Jun 1, 2021 22:17:57 GMT -5
Probably cost them 3 runs. Devers needs to sit for a few games as well. His head is not in the right place and it’s showing on both sides of the field. Devers has made ten errors this year in fifty games. How many more years do we wait before making him a DH or even attempting to try him at 1B? Maybe Casas can play third.
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Post by cdj on Jun 1, 2021 22:28:59 GMT -5
Yeahhhhh gonna need Devers to start hitting fastballs
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Post by incandenza on Jun 1, 2021 22:34:46 GMT -5
Ah well. Lefty tomorrow and then Odorizzi on Thursday - still a decent chance they can split this series.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2021 22:35:27 GMT -5
Whew - brutal - 0-12 from the big bats. 0-9 in yesterday's game - 0-21 from the heart of the order is pretty damn ugly. We won't win many games until they sort that out.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 1, 2021 22:45:13 GMT -5
Stop swin ging at pitchers pitches would be a good start. Try to accept a walk once in a while . Stop trying to hit the GS homerun with nobody on. Houston is not swinging from their heels, but trying to make solid contact without overswinging. They know the strike zone and make the pitcher pitch in the zone for the most part. the received 7 walks which the Sox will not do.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2021 23:07:59 GMT -5
Stop swin ging at pitchers pitches would be a good start. Try to accept a walk once in a while . Stop trying to hit the GS homerun with nobody on. Houston is not swinging from their heels, but trying to make solid contact without overswinging. They know the strike zone and make the pitcher pitch in the zone for the most part. the received 7 walks which the Sox will not do. Exactly. Good pitching staffs will expose the Red Sox' tendencies to avoid walks. The Sox have looked dead the last couple of games. I was wondering how Houston was only 28-24 or whatever they were. They have an excellent offense and some really good pitching and some of their best players have been injured. I'd hate to see the Sox have to play them in the playoffs. Odorizzi is a hittable pitcher but the way the Sox are looking in this series, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost all 4 games and went into NY and TB reeling. This stretch could get really ugly. They go 2-8 or something like that and they could fall about 5 games out of 1st, and out of a wild card spot. I have to say - I've seen way too much of Marwin Gonzalez. He's washed up. A brutally bad hitter. He needs to not be getting regular ABs anymore. Dalbec can't hit righties with velocity. Santana is doing a lot of striking out as well. And after a hot streak gave Kiké some decent numbers, he's started to slide and his OBP is again, unacceptable for a leadoff batter. On the plus side, Renfroe continues to hit. But when you have Devers and X not hitting like they usually can, this offense gets shut down pretty easily.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2021 23:09:40 GMT -5
Devers needs to sit for a few games as well. His head is not in the right place and it’s showing on both sides of the field. Devers has made ten errors this year in fifty games. How many more years do we wait before making him a DH or even attempting to try him at 1B? Maybe Casas can play third. If Devers did become a dh, I think eventually the 3b winds up being Bogaerts with the Sox getting a rangier SS. I think Dalbec is showing that he might not have a future with the Red Sox. Casas should wind up being a good answer to the 1b problem. With him it's just a question of when, not if.
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Post by cdj on Jun 1, 2021 23:15:56 GMT -5
Devers has made ten errors this year in fifty games. How many more years do we wait before making him a DH or even attempting to try him at 1B? Maybe Casas can play third. If Devers did become a dh, I think eventually the 3b winds up being Bogaerts with the Sox getting a rangier SS. I think Dalbec is showing that he might not have a future with the Red Sox. Casas should wind up being a good answer to the 1b problem. With him it's just a question of when, not if. 2 years Bogaerts- Correa- Downs- Casas DH- Devers book it
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2021 23:50:23 GMT -5
If Devers did become a dh, I think eventually the 3b winds up being Bogaerts with the Sox getting a rangier SS. I think Dalbec is showing that he might not have a future with the Red Sox. Casas should wind up being a good answer to the 1b problem. With him it's just a question of when, not if. 2 years Bogaerts- Correa- Downs- Casas DH- Devers book it If they did chase a big-time free agent, I could see Correa being a target, but I would never "book it". I'm sure some other teams might have interest as well.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 0:00:01 GMT -5
2 years Bogaerts- Correa- Downs- Casas DH- Devers book it If they did chase a big-time free agent, I could see Correa being a target, but I would never "book it". I'm sure some other teams might have interest as well. Cora with the inside track and we probably can spend the most of any big contender, double book it!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2021 0:45:57 GMT -5
If they did chase a big-time free agent, I could see Correa being a target, but I would never "book it". I'm sure some other teams might have interest as well. Cora with the inside track and we probably can spend the most of any big contender, double book it! We'll see. The Yankees could use a SS, too. They could wind up with Trevor Story, instead. But then again sometimes teams spend money unexpectedly. I would have never pegged the Padres as the team to dump all that money into Machado for instance. The Sox could sign Correa, and Cora's connection to him helps, but if the years get silly, etc, I wouldn't be shocked if Bloom decides not to go all in and they get outbid.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 2, 2021 5:06:15 GMT -5
If Devers did become a dh, I think eventually the 3b winds up being Bogaerts with the Sox getting a rangier SS. I think Dalbec is showing that he might not have a future with the Red Sox. Casas should wind up being a good answer to the 1b problem. With him it's just a question of when, not if. 2 years Bogaerts- Correa- Downs- Casas DH- Devers book it I think Bogaerts, who looks great defensively this year, will be playing SS in 2023, either for us or for someone else. His move to 3b will come only later, and it will come when he is on a long-term contract with no opt-outs. Or maybe it never comes. Jeter is his role model. If you move Devers to DH in 2023 he will be playing 3b somewhere else in 2024.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2021 10:06:32 GMT -5
2 years Bogaerts- Correa- Downs- Casas DH- Devers book it I think Bogaerts, who looks great defensively this year, will be playing SS in 2023, either for us or for someone else. His move to 3b will come only later, and it will come when he is on a long-term contract with no opt-outs. Or maybe it never comes. Jeter is his role model. If you move Devers to DH in 2023 he will be playing 3b somewhere else in 2024. Can't say I disagree with your assessment. I think Bogaerts is probably less willing to move off of SS than Devers would be to moving off of 3b to DH. Devers is the guy who says he loves to play baseball, make money, and hit home runs. Don't recall him saying he wanted to be a gold glover. But of course if the Sox see Devers as only a long-term DH, then I can see Bloom not wanting to commit huge dollars and years to him. Frankly I don't think both will ultimately wind up with the Sox. My guess is that the Sox do pony up the cash for Bogaerts as he is their franchise player. I honestly don't think the Sox sign Correa, although I wouldn't rule it out. I really don't think that Bloom wants to spend big bucks on a free agent until they start hitting that 2024 - 2029 window that I think Bloom is eying, and at that point I can see a re-signed and higher paid X moving over to 3b and a new SS taking over. By then I think he might be ready to take the plunge on a big free agent and I can see him consolidating the growing Red Sox farm system depth that should be graduating by then and wheeling and dealing to create more depth and in some cases taking from the depth to get a top notch talent. For example I wouldn't be shocked to see Devers traded a year away from free agency.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2021 14:40:29 GMT -5
If this is going to be a playoff team, this WAR per position is unsustainable. Unless of course we can pick up three #1 starters who go 7+ innings per game. Need to bring up the double digits on at least two if not three of these:
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2021 14:46:19 GMT -5
Speaking of Devers did anybody see the article Tomase (I know) had? Basically it's showing that he's struggling badly against fastballs but is hammering offspeed and breaking pitches. Devers is having trouble catching up to fastballs and the Astros have exploited that with the high fastballs they're throwing against him. It's something to keep an eye on.
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