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6/4-6/6 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 6, 2021 22:37:33 GMT -5
Oh my goodness. Sox fans don't get to complain about the zone again tonight. That was brutal. The pitch to Bad Smell was down the middle. MFYs should STFU.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 6, 2021 23:00:53 GMT -5
I have been annoyed with the RHH shifts by the Red Sox this year, but let’s not overlook where the second baseman was positioned the last two abs by DJ. Absolutely perfect positioning including the last out which saved the game.
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Post by station13 on Jun 6, 2021 23:09:28 GMT -5
That LaMahieu contract. Yeesh. Lol. The juiced ball and YS made him that contract. He was nothing outside YS
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 6, 2021 23:11:56 GMT -5
32 year old first baseman DJ LeMahieu is slugging .321 and the Yankees will still be paying him when he's 38.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2021 23:38:09 GMT -5
That was sweep!
This is the kind of game they lose when it's not their year. They would have lost this game in 2019. In 2020 a 3-1 deficit would have mushroomed into a 6-1 insurmountable deficit. It's amazing how Richards is always in trouble but has stopped imploding. It helps that the Yankees have been terrible at situational and clutch hitting.
Meanwhile, the Yankees are finding ways to lose. If they get a few of their hitters hot to go with Stanton (if he stays healthy) and Judge and getting Britton back should help the pen although the loss of Kluber is huge and they'll need somebody in the rotation to step up behind Cole, but they should have a hot streak or two, but all in all they look a lot like their 2013 counterparts, just not good enough. Shoddy defense. Bad situational hitting, too many killer DPs, and this year way too many holes in the lineup as they lack LH hitting.
So the Yankees were there to be taken and the Red Sox, to their credit, took it to them. So when you apply the Yankee yardstick, the Red Sox passed with flying colors with the irony that in 2019 the Sox would not have won the 7-3 game that they won or tonight's ballgame. When you have the IT factor going for you, you win those games and when you don't you lose them. The line between winning and losing can be so thin. Marwin Gonzalez picked the right time for his 2nd HR of the year and I loved how the Sox manufactured a run in the 8th on shoddy Yankee defense, a ground out and a sac fly. Unfortunately Barnes made a mistake after pitching too carefully to Judge.
But like others said, that was on Brandon Workman for failing to comfortably hold a 4 run lead. You don't walk two guys batting under the Mendoza line when you just need one out to go up four. Cora felt obligated to bring in Barnes (which you can understand but he shouldn't have, but he probably figured the way Workman was going Barnes would have had to come in with the tying run at the plate which he was trying to avoid). So Barnes was pitching too many days in a row and it cost him.
And I don't want to hear Patford complaining about how the umps are always in the Yankees' pockets. That pitch to Odor should have been Ball 4. That strike 3 call was a joke. Also the Sox were fortunate when Dalbec was awarded Ball 4 in the 10th on a pitch that probably was a ball but easily could have been called a strike. Then after a nice bunt by Arroyo, Verdugo failed to get the run home even though the count was in his favor but X picked him up with a clutch 2 out 2 run single.
But I thought they were going to give it away in the 10th. I thought Cora should have called on Sawamura but I guess he wanted extra rest for him after pitching him 2 innings two nights earlier? And then Valdez hits the first guy and I'm sweating bullets, but then he started a DP on a ball that a lot of pitchers throw into CF.
And then I was so mad when Marwin couldn't get the last out. Perhaps Valdez screened him by ranging too far over? And worse, he didn't react quickly enough and the tying run got into scoring position.
But then Marwin almost made another error but fortunately he was able to corral the ball and get the last out on LeMahieu who looks nothing like the guy he's been the past several years, fortunately for the Sox.
So scary win. Awful game to lose. Exhilarating game to win. Now if TB would just freaking lose once in a while...
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 6, 2021 23:38:44 GMT -5
That LaMahieu contract. Yeesh. Lol. NYY is collecting bad contracts: Stanton LaMahieu Hope they resign Judge Let’s not forget Ellsbury A-Rod
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 6, 2021 23:51:51 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but Hunter Renfroe is creeping into Alex Verdugo territory OPS-wise. In fact, they share the same WAR now. I can't tell if I'm pleasantly surprised at Hunter Renfroe's development or slightly disappointed the Alex Verdugo hasn't been a bit better this year.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 7, 2021 0:11:16 GMT -5
Things are going very well for this team. But this is still a bridge year, right? My gut tells me that we don't really have a real legitimate chance for October glory while still keeping the budget under the threshold. This brings Bloom to a very dicey set of decisions as we near the 7/30 trade deadline. As things stand now there are some potentially very valuable pieces (especially Barnes, the way he is going; could they get a Chapman-like return?) that could be dealt with an eye to accelerate the re-build. But the Sox could very well be still in contention for the division. And trading big pieces away could devastate clubhouse morale, the fan base, and impact opt-out decisions from key players that are still here. But does Bloom risk losing him nothing in free agency? Maybe Sale comes back as Barnes replacement as the closer? Lots of interesting questions could emerge. I'm not exactly sure what a bridge year means in the context of what the team has stated and what I think their plan is. What Bloom said was that they would try to stay competitive even as they worked to restock the minor league system. They've done both. If you mean a bridge to more spending, I don't think they'll be traveling that road in the future, at least if it means going over the spending limits. My impression is that ownership in general, not just the Red Sox', has figured out when most of the value a player accumulates over his career happens. The pre-arb and arb years deliver the bulk of that for most players. I also think that's where there will be a dogfight when the new CBA is negotiated. The MLBPA will push to get the players value acknowledged monetarily, somehow. Betts is a case in point. His best year was worth maybe $70M-$80M to the team, but he was paid maybe one-eighth of that. These are business men and women and that won't escape them.
That's not to say that the team won't be willing to sign players, I think they will but on their terms for the most part. I don't see them playing in an arena where $300M contracts are the norm. I still think that market will be there for a few players, but I believe they'll look for shorter contracts. But those are just my thoughts and I could be wrong as I have been in the past.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 7, 2021 2:45:05 GMT -5
The call on Odor is worth .165 wins with an average pitcher facing an average hitter next. Even a tired Matt Barnes facing Tyler Wade is not an average matchup.
LeMahieu's butchering the popup is .178 wins.
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Post by tookme55 on Jun 7, 2021 6:20:24 GMT -5
That LaMahieu contract. Yeesh. Lol. NYY is collecting bad contracts: Stanton LaMahieu Hope they resign Judge Let’s not forget Ellsbury A-Rod LaMahieu has also turned into a singles hitter, not what you want from a 6 year, $90M guy. 7 more years of Stanton? Ouch. Yankees will not let Judge go and he will require mega dollars. No thanks.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 7, 2021 6:25:48 GMT -5
Nice highlite package I had missed Marwin's HR at 9.00
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Post by patford on Jun 7, 2021 6:36:42 GMT -5
Ottavino now has a better ERA than Barnes. There is a glaring track record on Barnes. Sill I'm not surprised Cora went to Barnes in the 9th. I suspect almost everyone here would have even though it was predictable that he would struggle to throw strikes as is almost always the case with him when he is fatigued. Hard to say what the answer is as Ottavino, Hernandez and Sawamura struggle to throw strikes when completely fresh.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 7, 2021 8:27:16 GMT -5
NYY is collecting bad contracts: Stanton LaMahieu Hope they resign Judge Let’s not forget Ellsbury A-Rod LaMahieu has also turned into a singles hitter, not what you want from a 6 year, $90M guy. 7 more years of Stanton? Ouch. Yankees will not let Judge go and he will require mega dollars. No thanks. The Yankees have 1 division title in the last 8 years, and with their roster makeup, I figured they would finish third before the season started. They are not a good defensive team. I am surprised their pitching is as good as it has been, but that may not last.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2021 8:44:47 GMT -5
Rosenthal in The Athletic with the Tripping Olney hyperventilation take is, nevertheless, delicious. Remember, they're only "experts" if they write this stuff before events happen, not after, and they're right in retrospect. Also, later in the piece he hedges and says the team "cannot be dismissed." And he and some of his ilk make millions doing this. Amazing. Anyway, excerpt: Yes, the landscape is that bleak for the Yankees, who over the weekend were swept by the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium for the first time since June 7-9, 2011, and had their record fall to 31-29, 6 1/2 games behind the first-place Rays in the AL East. One or two additions might not be enough to transform their moribund offense, and their rotation will remain in a tenuous state even if Luis Severino makes a successful return from Tommy John surgery, which is hardly guaranteed.
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Post by jchang on Jun 7, 2021 9:03:30 GMT -5
LaMahieu has also turned into a singles hitter, not what you want from a 6 year, $90M guy. 7 more years of Stanton? Ouch. Yankees will not let Judge go and he will require mega dollars. No thanks. The Yankees have 1 division title in the last 8 years, and with their roster makeup, I figured they would finish third before the season started. They are not a good defensive team. I am surprised their pitching is as good as it has been, but that may not last. may the Yanks sign more players with Chris "Crush" Davis type contract and WAR value
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