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Post by jimed14 on Dec 14, 2021 15:11:58 GMT -5
I think the Pale Hose didn't want him to accept a guaranteed 1 yr/$18.5m contract. They've already got Lynn, Giolito, Cease, and Desist ... jk, and Keuchel, and they may want to stretch Kopech out as a starter to begin the season. Giving Rodon, who's obviously difficult to plan around, a chance to insert himself into their rotation at $18.5m may have just been too much for their FO to try. Would he take a 1-year plus vesting option based on whether he's on the DL at the end of the year? Even if they felt that way, it was still dumb of them to not offer the QO if there are teams out there that would take him at that price; even if he accepts the QO they can trade him (at which point, without the loss of the draft pick for the signing team, he'd be even more valuable).
But I do think it's legitimately possible that the market for him is a lot weaker than people are projecting and he signs for like 1/10 or something. And part of why I think that is that's the only scenario where he White Sox not offering the QO makes sense.
I'm pretty confident in thinking that Rodon would have signed the QO and/or that teams would not be willing to give up a pick for a one year prove-it deal.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 14, 2021 15:58:00 GMT -5
Rodons numbers were actually phenomenal for the AL, I mean really across the board. And if you want to talk about a guy who should completely embrace pitching fewer innings and being great for 5 innings or less it is him. Will that be enough to save his arm, who knows. But if that is what you are going to be what is the market value? He had a bwar of 5 for the 133 innings he pitched, that is worth 40 miilion if war is 8m-1war.
I would think the fact he pitched at the end of the season would be good info as far as his health goes but he isn't going to be signed without the medicals right.
How much of a chance can you take on a guy who could give you a 40 million dollar season?
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Post by nomar on Dec 15, 2021 9:54:33 GMT -5
Even if they felt that way, it was still dumb of them to not offer the QO if there are teams out there that would take him at that price; even if he accepts the QO they can trade him (at which point, without the loss of the draft pick for the signing team, he'd be even more valuable). But I do think it's legitimately possible that the market for him is a lot weaker than people are projecting and he signs for like 1/10 or something. And part of why I think that is that's the only scenario where he White Sox not offering the QO makes sense.
I'm pretty confident in thinking that Rodon would have signed the QO and/or that teams would not be willing to give up a pick for a one year prove-it deal. Not QO’ing him could also be a sign of good faith. If the market dictates that he is a 1/18.5M type of guy this year, who is to say that team won’t be the White Sox still? And if the market isn’t there for him, he’s probably more likely to be willing to come back on a 2/25-30 type deal too. We can try to read the tea leaves all day, but him not getting a QO isn’t necessarily a “stick a fork in him” situation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2021 16:16:51 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 15, 2021 18:46:41 GMT -5
I think the only damning part of this for Rodon was that he wasn't given a QO while at the same time the White Sox picked up Kimbrel's option and immediately suggested they may trade Kimbrel. Typically you would think that a 29yo Starting pitcher coming off a 4.9 fWAR season would be worth significantly more than a 33yo relief pitcher coming off a 2.2 fWAR season. But clearly the White Sox disagreed as the difference in pay of 2.4mil (assuming Rodon accepted the QO) was minimal.
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