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2021 Rookie Level Seasons (GCL and DSL)
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2021 12:26:22 GMT -5
I've seen questions and discussion regarding the GCL and DSL seasons so I thought it might be best to start a thread where we can concentrate that discussion. GCL season
Slated to start third weeks from today on June 28. I would have thought the Red Sox would field two teams given how many players they have in Ft Myers, but that seems unlikely now. It will be interesting to see how they get everyone reps, especially after the draft next month. I'd assume they'll sign all 20 of their draft picks (or maybe somewhere in the 15-20 range?) - that's a lot to add to already full rosters. There might have to be some sort of non-GCL intra-squad games to supplement the actual games. As for the players themselves, the roster should be pretty loaded (projected rosters here). DSL seasonWhile nothing is official, I've seen multiple places that the DSL season is going to happen with a early/mid July start date (Kevin Goldstein said it's happening in his chat today). The Red Sox should have two teams again this year and given roster limits, further cuts seem to be on the horizon before the season starts. It appears Juan Chacon and Luis Perales are slated to start in the DR as of now, but that's subject to change.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2021 13:12:36 GMT -5
I've seen questions and discussion regarding the GCL and DSL seasons so I thought it might be best to start a thread where we can concentrate that discussion. GCL season
Slated to start third weeks from today on June 28. I would have thought the Red Sox would field two teams given how many players they have in Ft Myers, but that seems unlikely now. It will be interesting to see how they get everyone reps, especially after the draft next month. I'd assume they'll sign all 20 of their draft picks (or maybe somewhere in the 15-20 range?) - that's a lot to add to already full rosters. There might have to be some sort of non-GCL intra-squad games to supplement the actual games. As for the players themselves, the roster should be pretty loaded (projected rosters here). DSL seasonWhile nothing is official, I've seen multiple places that the DSL season is going to happen with a early/mid July start date (Kevin Goldstein said it's happening in his chat today). The Red Sox should have two teams again this year and given roster limits, further cuts seem to be on the horizon before the season starts. It appears Juan Chacon and Luis Perales are slated to start in the DR as of now, but that's subject to change. Curious as to why that seems unlikely at this point? Is it simply the lack of an announcement this close to the season? If they do field only 1 GCL team, I could see the majority of college draftees getting assigned to Greenville amidst a wave of promotions (Jaxx Groshans, Joe Davis, Stephen Scott, Wil Dalton) and roster cuts along the food chain. Younger draftees and raw college draftees could probably find room in the GCL. Two teams would be ideal though.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2021 13:22:31 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time remembering where, but someone had mentioned that the Red Sox probably wouldn't have a second team. Also, if you look at the main page for the GCL, they've updated the GCL divisions and the Orioles and Pirates now have two teams, which they didn't have before. I'd imagine that those divisions are set now so they can make the season schedule. Obviously not the best confirmation, but it's not nothing.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2021 13:41:10 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time remembering where, but someone had mentioned that the Red Sox probably wouldn't have a second team. Also, if you look at the main page for the GCL, they've updated the GCL divisions and the Orioles and Pirates now have two teams, which they didn't have before. I'd imagine that those divisions are set now so they can make the season schedule. Obviously not the best confirmation, but it's not nothing. Gotcha, I thought the main page for the GCL hadn't been updated but if those new O's and Pirates teams are an indication of this year's league, that could be pretty revealing. Thats honestly a bummer if that's the case....they seemingly have the volume of players to do so and I'd prefer everyone getting meaningful game reps in a league environment. Here's to holding a little bit of hope for a surprise 2nd team.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2021 14:34:25 GMT -5
I'll get into this more later, but I think they actually have incentive not to play guys they draft this year because if they don't play, they don't count toward the total number of players they can have in the system. Meanwhile, they could certainly be receiving camp-type instruction. I don't think this'll apply to 1-4 or any other college guys, but the high school guys who'd normally pitch, like, three times or play in 9 games, it will probably make more sense to just not assign them.
If someone wants to go into my Twitter timeline, a Pirates site blogger went through the new rules on this for 2021 and I RT'd it.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2021 14:43:46 GMT -5
I'll get into this more later, but I think they actually have incentive not to play guys they draft this year because if they don't play, they don't count toward the total number of players they can have in the system. Meanwhile, they could certainly be receiving camp-type instruction. I don't think this'll apply to 1-4 or any other college guys, but the high school guys who'd normally pitch, like, three times or play in 9 games, it will probably make more sense to just not assign them. If someone wants to go into my Twitter timeline, a Pirates site blogger went through the new rules on this for 2021 and I RT'd it. Here's the link: pirates.pittsburghbaseball.com/2021/05/30/domestic-reserve-list-a-primer/
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2021 22:50:08 GMT -5
Perfect. Thanks.
OK, so domestic reserve list of 180 does not count: - players on DSL reserve list - players on MLB roster/IL - players on minor league 60-day IL
So as of tonight: Worcester: 28 active plus 6 short-term IL or TIA Portland: 28 active plus 4 IL Greenville: 29 active plus 1 IL plus 1 YTR Salem: 30 active plus whatever Andrew is. So 128 at the affiliates.
Plus 47 we have at XST right now = 175. Keep in mind that includes subtracting recent 60-day IL additions of Ward, (apparently) Carasiti, and (maybe not) Crawford, and adding the 3 PTBNL.
So they have a little breathing room, but not much. My guess is there are going to be some cuts, and some of the guys we don't know about (Andrew, guys in camp we otherwise haven't heard about) could be on the 60-day. But if there's weirdness in July, that'll be why.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2021 22:17:45 GMT -5
Updating with some things I have learned in the past 24 that make this a little more concrete: Crawford is on the Covid-related IL (note this could mean any number of things - quarantine precaution, actually being sick, vaccine symptoms, etc.), Andrew is in Fort Myers.
Worcester: 30 active plus 5 IL Portland: 28 active plus 4 IL (I'm guessing lack of countermove means someone jumped the gun inputting the Bello promotion) Greenville: 30 active Salem: 30 active So 127 at the affiliates.
There are 51 players in Fort Myers right now, so that's 178 in total. 2 open spots if they want them.
60-day IL: Bell, Carasiti, Mata, Ward C19 IL: Crawford (don't know for sure if he counts or not, I'm assuming not but it doesn't really matter)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2021 11:29:06 GMT -5
So I just checked and there's actually no active list limit in the GCL this year. The only restriction is the 180-man domestic reserve list, so any draft picks that are activated will probably lead to cuts down there.
Right now, 9 of the 50 (non-Gambrell) players in Fort Myers were born 1998 or earlier (other than 2020 NDFAs). I'd think they're the first ones on the hot seat for spots if needed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2021 12:07:29 GMT -5
Thinking through the above, I think I get why they didn't do 2 GCL teams - it's just really hard with 180 domestic players.
I think it's fair to say they're going to be limited, realistically, to about 50 active players in Fort Myers, with about 130 spots for the affiliates. With the way the GCL operates, running 25-man teams has the risk of them running REALLY thin really quick. Guys don't pitch 5 or 6 innings often, so you're usually running 4 pitchers a game. At that point, you need at least 14 pitchers. If you use 28 of the 50 spots on pitchers, you now have 11 position players per team, which allows for basically no injuries.
I recall that in 2019 (or maybe 2018), the 2 DSL teams had depth issues, and that was with 35-man rosters. With a 180-player domestic limit in the minors, it's hard to run 2 GCL teams, and I'm interested to see how it works for the teams that are running 2.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2021 21:22:01 GMT -5
Seems like there have been a few sources now confirming an early July start to the DSL season.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2021 7:13:11 GMT -5
I've heard something to that effect too. Second week of July to early October.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 14, 2021 13:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 14, 2021 13:13:55 GMT -5
MONDAY GAMES?!?!?!?!?!?!
Looks like it's being renamed the Florida Complex League (and Arizona Complex League).
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 14, 2021 13:19:02 GMT -5
MONDAY GAMES?!?!?!?!?!?! Looks like it's being renamed the Florida Complex League (and Arizona Complex League). Man, why they gotta go and mess with my day off?
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Post by sittingstill on Jun 16, 2021 20:29:01 GMT -5
In the FCL, if it's Friday or Saturday, the Sox play the Twins.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 25, 2021 9:34:27 GMT -5
With three days until the start of the FCL season, I think this thread deserves a bump and a few questions.
Which player are you most excited for?
Which non-top 20 prospect (no Bonaci or Jordan) do you think pops and has the best season?
Which pitcher do you think separates themselves from the pack?
For me I'd think this:
I've always been a huge Bonaci fan from his earliest days in the DSL. I think it'll be interesting to see how he responds to a little more eyes on him. I think he could end the year in the top 10 with a good FCL season.
Outside of the top-20, I think Darel Belen is going to be a solid prospect all the way through the system. He's a little on the older side, but the reports and stats (DSL stats, but still stats) have always looked good. Plus raw power, good K and BB numbers, and most importantly to me, he hit equally as well against lefties and righties in the DSL. I'm a fan.
I'm going to cop out of the third question and give three names: Cruz, De La Rosa, and Gonzalez. I'm a sucker for a projectible young arm with good raw talent. If I had to pick one guy out of the three, I'd probably go with Cruz.
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Post by rockymtnsox on Jun 25, 2021 10:00:39 GMT -5
With three days until the start of the FCL season, I think this thread deserves a bump and a few questions. Which player are you most excited for? Which non-top 20 prospect (no Bonaci or Jordan) do you think pops and has the best season? Which pitcher do you think separates themselves from the pack? For me I'd think this: I've always been a huge Bonaci fan from his earliest days in the DSL. I think it'll be interesting to see how he responds to a little more eyes on him. I think he could end the year in the top 10 with a good FCL season. Outside of the top-20, I think Darel Belen is going to be a solid prospect all the way through the system. He's a little on the older side, but the reports and stats (DSL stats, but still stats) have always looked good. Plus raw power, good K and BB numbers, and most importantly to me, he hit equally as well against lefties and righties in the DSL. I'm a fan. I'm going to cop out of the third question and give three names: Cruz, De La Rosa, and Gonzalez. I'm a sucker for a projectible young arm with good raw talent. If I had to pick one guy out of the three, I'd probably go with Cruz. Gotta respect a man who sidesteps his own questions. I’m most interested to see Bryan Gonzalez. I know heavy power/meh hitting is a dubious profile, but given how much he raked two years ago, I’m holding out for a strong season. If I had to guess, I’d say that Bonaci will probably be the breakthrough. He’s not under the radar, but there would be a real validation to him performing stateside, especially against stronger competition in the new league. Biggest story, I think, will be Valdez and De La Rosa, whose performance will go a long way to the perception of the Benintendi trade.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jun 25, 2021 11:38:07 GMT -5
Question for the group - are these games open to attend? I can't find ticket info anywhere, and I'll be in Bradenton next week when the FCL Pirates play the FCL Red Sox...
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 25, 2021 12:44:28 GMT -5
Question for the group - are these games open to attend? I can't find ticket info anywhere, and I'll be in Bradenton next week when the FCL Pirates play the FCL Red Sox... Games are FREE. I gather this game will be played at Pirate City off Rt 64. I need to find out. I usually check the Sox in Sarasota at Ed Smith Stadium.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2021 15:42:15 GMT -5
Yeah don't plan on like, concessions, lots of fans, etc. It's pretty informal. In the stands it'll be you, some scouts, player dev staff, and players shagging foul balls.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 25, 2021 16:49:34 GMT -5
Games that are played at Ed Smith Stadium draw more fans than had been the case at the Twin Lakes complex... a bit out of town. Where T.L. might have 10 fans on the hard, exposed benches, there usually are 50-75 at E.S. Location is probably a factor in the differential, but the ability to watch under cover from the sun delineates. Still, with temps in the low 90s and high humidity, it's Very Advisable to bring cold, hydrating drinks.
People who attend are very friendly and engaging. A good number are parents of players.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2021 17:44:56 GMT -5
Guess I should mention my only FCL (then GCL) experience was 2013. lol. Interesting.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 25, 2021 18:08:09 GMT -5
Games vs. Pirates is at Pirate City. Address is Address: 1701 27th St E, Bradenton, FL 34208
It is off Rt 64. Off I-75, take exit 220 and go east. You take a left at a light onto 27th.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 25, 2021 18:31:54 GMT -5
And Steveofbradenton would know....He lives on the Bradenton/Sarasota border so he has an eagle eye on the Pirate and Sox prospects (as well as Sox Dominican League players).
We have attended more than a few Sox games together at various venues.
The atmosphere at these games feels what I imagine would be 1950ish...intimate, cozy, relaxed, welcoming.
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