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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 26, 2021 7:04:40 GMT -5
I only got to see snippets. Did the Yankees present anything and who was the white haired guy with a big belt ?
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Post by marrcus on Jun 26, 2021 7:26:28 GMT -5
I don't know about the NYY. Ric Flair was the guy with the white hair (I have no idea what his Pedroia connection is). I guess i shouldn't have been surprised that Ellsbury was there...but I was. I didn't think he was on good terms with either RS or nyy.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 26, 2021 7:59:59 GMT -5
Enjoy
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2021 8:02:50 GMT -5
I think Michael Kay is mistaken. That said, I hope the Sox do retire his number. Nobody else is going to wear 15. Likewise I do not think 49 or 33 or 21 will get reissued either. They said during the ceremony that they have waived the waiting period, retired his number, and put him in the Sox Hall of Fame. www.mlb.com/news/dustin-pedroia-retirement-ceremony-with-red-soxI watched the ceremony and read the article. I was waiting and hoping to see if they retired his number 15. There was never an announcement to that effect. The sox waived their waiting period to induct him into their hof. That was it. No retirement of his number was announced. I hope I'm wrong about that but I did not see or hear or read the announcement and I was looking for it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2021 8:07:43 GMT -5
I don't know about the NYY. Ric Flair was the guy with the white hair (I have no idea what his Pedroia connection is). I guess i shouldn't have been surprised that Ellsbury was there...but I was. I didn't think he was on good terms with either RS or nyy. Pedroia is a huge fan of his apparently and I guess there is something significant about that belt. Ellsbury is a good friend of pedroia which is why he was there. I would also guess that if there is any iciness left between the sox and Ellsbury it is probably thawing. You could make a good case for ellsbury eventually being in the sox hof.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 26, 2021 8:21:57 GMT -5
The video on Redsox.com includes an announcement that the RS are waiving the waiting period for induction into the team HOF, but has nothing about a number retirement. If they were retiring his number, they'd show the canvas being lifted from the RF grandstand and his number displayed up there.
They also would have had the other retired number guys there. I think Pedro was the only one who attended. Papi did a video tribute.
Super-cool snippet on the video: Pedro walking in from LF escorting Luis Tiant. The RS have erred in not retiring No. 23 for Luis and 24 for Dewey. And when you have a few hours to hear me talk non-stop, I'll explain all the reasons Luis should be in Cooperstown. Look him up and see where his WAR would place him among HOF P's. It's not a close call.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 26, 2021 8:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 26, 2021 9:38:41 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot about this one. Legendary!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2021 9:45:00 GMT -5
The video on Redsox.com includes an announcement that the RS are waiving the waiting period for induction into the team HOF, but has nothing about a number retirement. If they were retiring his number, they'd show the canvas being lifted from the RF grandstand and his number displayed up there. They also would have had the other retired number guys there. I think Pedro was the only one who attended. Papi did a video tribute. Super-cool snippet on the video: Pedro walking in from LF escorting Luis Tiant. The RS have erred in not retiring No. 23 for Luis and 24 for Dewey. And when you have a few hours to hear me talk non-stop, I'll explain all the reasons Luis shouold be in Cooperstown. Look him up and see where his WAR would place him among HOF P's. It's not a close call. Totally agree on Dwight Evans' 24 and Luis Tiant's 23. I would also add 3 for Jimmie Foxx as well and you make a case for Lefty Grove's 10. I would consider 7 for Dom DiMaggio who like Pedroia was borderline HOF but had his career shortened by war and injury and I would consider 5 for Nomar. 21 first Clemens of course. Not sure what they do with Tek's 33 and Wake's 49. Those numbers won't be reissued any time soon.
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Post by dangermike on Jun 26, 2021 11:01:30 GMT -5
Pretty pointed comment at machado in that speech...
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Post by manfred on Jun 26, 2021 11:37:18 GMT -5
He told O'Brien, Remy, and Eck that he would raise his kids and then return to the game "on the field." I figure 3B (and infield) coach when 'Tek succeeds Cora as manager.
Meanwhile, the more I thought about it during the ceremony, the more I felt he belongs in the HoF. I think his chances are very good. His numbers are borderline but the borderline is exactly where you look for other factors to identify the small percentage who belong in the Hall. And it's as simple as this: he was genuinely famous, and he was famous for all the right reasons. He exemplified everything you'd want a ballplayer to be as a teammate and competitor.
I think he deserves it (maybe a bit of a homer view). To me, it is the hardware. ROY, MVP, multiple gold gloves, multiple rings. The heart of likely the greatest stretch in Sox history, which makes it one of the most storied stretches in baseball history. To me, the comp is Phil Rizzuto. A guy who got in because he was a popular figure on the premier team in baseball. Rizzuto lost prime years to the war (which deserves credit, but purely on stats was not even close. Pedey has a far better case as a player, but deserves the boost as a similarly legendary figure in the franchise’s history.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2021 11:45:51 GMT -5
He told O'Brien, Remy, and Eck that he would raise his kids and then return to the game "on the field." I figure 3B (and infield) coach when 'Tek succeeds Cora as manager. Meanwhile, the more I thought about it during the ceremony, the more I felt he belongs in the HoF. I think his chances are very good. His numbers are borderline but the borderline is exactly where you look for other factors to identify the small percentage who belong in the Hall. And it's as simple as this: he was genuinely famous, and he was famous for all the right reasons. He exemplified everything you'd want a ballplayer to be as a teammate and competitor.
I think he deserves it (maybe a bit of a homer view). To me, it is the hardware. ROY, MVP, multiple gold gloves, multiple rings. The heart of likely the greatest stretch in Sox history, which makes it one of the most storied stretches in baseball history. To me, the comp is Phil Rizzuto. A guy who got in because he was a popular figure on the premier team in baseball. Rizzuto lost prime years to the war (which deserves credit, but purely on stats was not even close. Pedey has a far better case as a player, but deserves the boost as a similarly legendary figure in the franchise’s history. I think the fact that he is uniquely identifiable with 1 team who won championships does help his chances compared to a guy with similar stats who changed teams a lot.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 26, 2021 12:03:21 GMT -5
The video on Redsox.com includes an announcement that the RS are waiving the waiting period for induction into the team HOF, but has nothing about a number retirement. If they were retiring his number, they'd show the canvas being lifted from the RF grandstand and his number displayed up there. They also would have had the other retired number guys there. I think Pedro was the only one who attended. Papi did a video tribute. Super-cool snippet on the video: Pedro walking in from LF escorting Luis Tiant. The RS have erred in not retiring No. 23 for Luis and 24 for Dewey. And when you have a few hours to hear me talk non-stop, I'll explain all the reasons Luis should be in Cooperstown. Look him up and see where his WAR would place him among HOF P's. It's not a close call. Totally agree on Dwight Evans' 24 and Luis Tiant's 23. I would also add 3 for Jimmie Foxx as well and you make a case for Lefty Grove's 10. I would consider 7 for Dom DiMaggio who like Pedroia was borderline HOF but had his career shortened by war and injury and I would consider 5 for Nomar. 21 first Clemens of course. Not sure what they do with Tek's 33 and Wake's 49. Those numbers won't be reissued any time soon. And don't forget placards for Tris and Cy, who played before players wore numbers. I'm Ok with 5 for Nomar. He was a better player than Cronin, who was a bad defensive SS. 21 is tricky for obvious reasons. 24 is also tricky because do you do it just for Dewey and just not mention Manny? I'm not crazy about retiring Manny's number. He never wanted to be here and, let's face it, often dogged it on the field and behaved like an ass.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jun 26, 2021 12:18:09 GMT -5
I got way more emotional than I expected, but as expected Pedroia, was straight to the point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2021 12:25:46 GMT -5
Totally agree on Dwight Evans' 24 and Luis Tiant's 23. I would also add 3 for Jimmie Foxx as well and you make a case for Lefty Grove's 10. I would consider 7 for Dom DiMaggio who like Pedroia was borderline HOF but had his career shortened by war and injury and I would consider 5 for Nomar. 21 first Clemens of course. Not sure what they do with Tek's 33 and Wake's 49. Those numbers won't be reissued any time soon. And don't forget placards for Tris and Cy, who played before players wore numbers. I'm Ok with 5 for Nomar. He was a better player than Cronin, who was a bad defensive SS. 21 is tricky for obvious reasons. 24 is also tricky because do you do it just for Dewey and just not mention Manny? I'm not crazy about retiring Manny's number. He never wanted to be here and, let's face it, often dogged it on the field and behaved like an ass. Can't penalize Dwight Evans because of Manny, although I get your point. I think, FWIW, that Manny has changed for the better over the years. And your placard idea is good. I'd also add Jimmy Collins and Smokey Joe Wood as well, and yes, Babe Ruth, who was one of the premier pitchers of his day. And perhaps Harry Hooper who was a HOFer who won 4 championships with the Red Sox.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 26, 2021 20:09:03 GMT -5
What was Manny’s problem ? Because Boston we took our sports serious and it’s smaller than the other big cities? I never got him . He got paid top dollar. This was a good team. Every year was a problem with him.
I’ll never forget in NY, He had the night off, then late in the game he was pitch hitting and strike out but he was lousy like he didn’t care.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 27, 2021 7:19:59 GMT -5
It’s a shame a dirty play basically ended his career, Pedey is easily my favorite Red Sox player.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 27, 2021 20:17:40 GMT -5
The video on Redsox.com includes an announcement that the RS are waiving the waiting period for induction into the team HOF, but has nothing about a number retirement. If they were retiring his number, they'd show the canvas being lifted from the RF grandstand and his number displayed up there. They also would have had the other retired number guys there. I think Pedro was the only one who attended. Papi did a video tribute. Super-cool snippet on the video: Pedro walking in from LF escorting Luis Tiant. The RS have erred in not retiring No. 23 for Luis and 24 for Dewey. And when you have a few hours to hear me talk non-stop, I'll explain all the reasons Luis shouold be in Cooperstown. Look him up and see where his WAR would place him among HOF P's. It's not a close call. Totally agree on Dwight Evans' 24 and Luis Tiant's 23. I would also add 3 for Jimmie Foxx as well and you make a case for Lefty Grove's 10. I would consider 7 for Dom DiMaggio who like Pedroia was borderline HOF but had his career shortened by war and injury and I would consider 5 for Nomar. 21 first Clemens of course. Not sure what they do with Tek's 33 and Wake's 49. Those numbers won't be reissued any time soon. Not a big fan of retiring numbers. Someday in the distant future there will be three digit numbers. Raise the retirees former number to the rafters but allow worthy successors to wear it. Toronto Maple Leafs do it and have had no problems. I would make very few exception, though, such as #s 8 and 9.
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