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7/5/-7/7 Red Sox @ Angels Series Thread
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2021 0:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 6, 2021 1:06:39 GMT -5
Other than that 15 - 1 laugher against KC can this team play games that don't raise my blood pressure?
Wow that was a scary 9th. Good play by Arroyo on that shot by Ohtani. Glad to have him back. Long HR in his first AB. Another semi swing hit by Santana, what an ugly swing, and another big Raffy game as he is on his way to 40 HRs. Perez pitched well and Taylor was Koji like.
All good except for Cleveland blowing the game to TB.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2021 6:04:02 GMT -5
Great Wiin!
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Post by costpet on Jul 6, 2021 7:21:22 GMT -5
As much as I loved Tito, Cora in incredible. A little Morgan Magic in him?
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Post by cba82 on Jul 6, 2021 7:36:31 GMT -5
I’m beginning to entertain the notion that maybe Chaim Bloom and Alex Cora were right about Danny Santana, and that I was wrong.
But, something has to give at some point if this team wants to make room for Jarren Duran.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 6, 2021 8:20:05 GMT -5
I don't see any immediate need to move Duran up now. With Kiki taking over in CF and showing strong at the plate the team is winning. To maybe tweak the OF I give Franchy another shot. The guy has been amazing in Worcester.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 6, 2021 9:59:49 GMT -5
I don't see any immediate need to move Duran up now. With Kiki taking over in CF and showing strong at the plate the team is winning. To maybe tweak the OF I give Franchy another shot. The guy has been amazing in Worcester. Franchy Corderoâs path to the majors would seem to be at frost base. That slot is such a black hole right now, so it makes sense they are working him out there. Using Verdungo and Renfroe a platoon, with Duran , and Kiké and in the other positions, would seem to be the best lineup. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 6, 2021 10:53:14 GMT -5
I don't see any immediate need to move Duran up now. With Kiki taking over in CF and showing strong at the plate the team is winning. To maybe tweak the OF I give Franchy another shot. The guy has been amazing in Worcester. Franchy Corderoâs path to the majors would seem to be at frost base. That slot is such a black hole right now, so it makes sense they are working him out there. Using Verdungo and Renfroe a platoon, with Duran , and Kiké and in the other positions, would seem to be the best lineup. If Duran is called up, I hope it's not for a platoon. He needs to be in the lineup on a regular basis. If anyone is platooned it should be Cordero. Before the start of the season I was in favor of a Renfroe platoon. But seeing him on a daily basis and what he's accomplished thus far this season, he is vital to the team's success, on both sides of the ball. |
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Post by incandenza on Jul 6, 2021 10:54:16 GMT -5
I don't see any immediate need to move Duran up now. With Kiki taking over in CF and showing strong at the plate the team is winning. To maybe tweak the OF I give Franchy another shot. The guy has been amazing in Worcester. Franchy CorderoâÂÂs path to the majors would seem to be at frost base. That slot is such a black hole right now, so it makes sense they are working him out there. Using Verdungo and Renfroe a platoon, with Duran , and Kiké and in the other positions, would seem to be the best lineup. Black Hole Watch: Since May 7th Dalbec has a 107 wRC+. JD Martinez is at 108. Verdugo is at 93.
I don't know how you platoon Verdugo and Renfroe, who both project to hit much better than Duran and offer much better defense, plus Verdugo doesn't really have handedness splits. And Duran presumably has to play center field. Maybe you can go LF Verdugo, CF Duran, and RF Renfroe against lefties, and LF Kiké, CF Duran, RF Verdugo against righties. Verdugo stays in but Renfroe sits against righties.
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Post by bucksmatthew on Jul 6, 2021 11:21:09 GMT -5
While I get the Dalbec concern - he has been better of late, and take a gander at just how much a hole 1b is in general in the AL - 4 teams have 1b WAR above 0......
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Post by jimoh on Jul 6, 2021 11:39:20 GMT -5
Franchy CorderoâÃÂÃÂs path to the majors would seem to be at frost base. That slot is such a black hole right now, so it makes sense they are working him out there. Using Verdungo and Renfroe a platoon, with Duran , and Kiké and in the other positions, would seem to be the best lineup. Black Hole Watch: Since May 7th Dalbec has a 107 wRC+. JD Martinez is at 108. Verdugo is at 93.
I don't know how you platoon Verdugo and Renfroe, who both project to hit much better than Duran and offer much better defense, plus Verdugo doesn't really have handedness splits. And Duran presumably has to play center field. Maybe you can go LF Verdugo, CF Duran, and RF Renfroe against lefties, and LF Kiké, CF Duran, RF Verdugo against righties. Verdugo stays in but Renfroe sits against righties.
Don’t Dalbec’s good stats since since May 7 include being semi-platooned with guys like Santana et al? You should be able to sit Dalbec a couple of times a week against the RHP most likely to be hard on him without playing a terrible hitter. And Renfroe and Kiké should get a day off every couple of weeks. It was encouraging to see Franchy take ground balls at first, but has been disappointing not to see him try it in games yet. Better in AAA than in one of our endless close games. |
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Post by kman22 on Jul 6, 2021 11:42:14 GMT -5
Have to think they will be pretty patient with Cordero learning 1B. Would be pretty unfortunate to see him make strides at the plate, only to take a confidence hit trying to figure out a new position.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 6, 2021 11:42:41 GMT -5
Until Franchy actually plays 1B in a game, or at least someone says that's the plan, then I'm not counting on him starting any games at 1B for the Red Sox.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 6, 2021 12:01:51 GMT -5
Why are we throwing out desperate plans like platoons and Franchy at 1B and talking about stressful games when we have the best record in the majors? Just enjoy the ride my dudes.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 6, 2021 12:04:12 GMT -5
Black Hole Watch: Since May 7th Dalbec has a 107 wRC+. JD Martinez is at 108. Verdugo is at 93.
I don't know how you platoon Verdugo and Renfroe, who both project to hit much better than Duran and offer much better defense, plus Verdugo doesn't really have handedness splits. And Duran presumably has to play center field. Maybe you can go LF Verdugo, CF Duran, and RF Renfroe against lefties, and LF Kiké, CF Duran, RF Verdugo against righties. Verdugo stays in but Renfroe sits against righties.
Don’t Dalbec’s good stats since since May 7 include being semi-platooned with guys like Santana et al? You should be able to sit Dalbec a couple of times a week against the RHP most likely to be hard on him without playing a terrible hitter. And Renfroe and Kiké should get a day off every couple of weeks. It was encouraging to see Franchy take ground balls at first, but has been disappointing not to see him try it in games yet. Better in AAA than in one of our endless close games. Yeah, that's part of it, but I also have the sense Dalbec has hit righties better too. If I knew how to look up meta-splits like "vs. RHP since June 1st" I would...
Anyway, I 1) agree with you that a platoon or semi-platoon with Franchy is worth trying, and 2) don't think it's accurate to say 1B has been a black hole in the last two months.
(Another Dalbec Stat: He's currently in one of his cold streaks - .200/.219/.300 since 6/22 - but that's actually better than his previous cold streaks which had OPS's in like the .100s. As a result in his last 18 games he's hit .297/.333/.563, a 136 wRC+. That stretch includes a 9-game hot stretch and a 9-game cold stretch. If he can keep Hot Bobby and Cold Bobby in that sort of proportion, I think that's a good representation of his potential. (Admittedly, it does include a .417 BABIP though.))
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Post by incandenza on Jul 6, 2021 12:05:36 GMT -5
Why are we throwing out desperate plans like platoons and Franchy at 1B and talking about stressful games when we have the best record in the majors? Just enjoy the ride my dudes. But that's how we're enjoying the ride.  |
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Post by orion09 on Jul 6, 2021 12:15:25 GMT -5
Don’t Dalbec’s good stats since since May 7 include being semi-platooned with guys like Santana et al? You should be able to sit Dalbec a couple of times a week against the RHP most likely to be hard on him without playing a terrible hitter. And Renfroe and Kiké should get a day off every couple of weeks. It was encouraging to see Franchy take ground balls at first, but has been disappointing not to see him try it in games yet. Better in AAA than in one of our endless close games. Yeah, that's part of it, but I also have the sense Dalbec has hit righties better too. If I knew how to look up meta-splits like "vs. RHP since June 1st" I would...
Anyway, I 1) agree with you that a platoon or semi-platoon with Franchy is worth trying, and 2) don't think it's accurate to say 1B has been a black hole in the last two months.
(Another Dalbec Stat: He's currently in one of his cold streaks - .200/.219/.300 since 6/22 - but that's actually better than his previous cold streaks which had OPS's in like the .100s. As a result in his last 18 games he's hit .297/.333/.563, a 136 wRC+. That stretch includes a 9-game hot stretch and a 9-game cold stretch. If he can keep Hot Bobby and Cold Bobby in that sort of proportion, I think that's a good representation of his potential. (Admittedly, it does include a .417 BABIP though.))
You can use Fangraphs' "Splits Tool" Dalbec through May 6: RHP: -27 wRC+ LHP: 147 wRC+ Dalbec since May 7: RHP: 113 wRC+ LHP: 96 wRC+ |
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Post by bluechip on Jul 6, 2021 12:17:34 GMT -5
Franchy CorderoâÂÂs path to the majors would seem to be at frost base. That slot is such a black hole right now, so it makes sense they are working him out there. Using Verdungo and Renfroe a platoon, with Duran , and Kiké and in the other positions, would seem to be the best lineup. Black Hole Watch: Since May 7th Dalbec has a 107 wRC+. JD Martinez is at 108. Verdugo is at 93. I don't know how you platoon Verdugo and Renfroe, who both project to hit much better than Duran and offer much better defense, plus Verdugo doesn't really have handedness splits. And Duran presumably has to play center field. Maybe you can go LF Verdugo, CF Duran, and RF Renfroe against lefties, and LF Kiké, CF Duran, RF Verdugo against righties. Verdugo stays in but Renfroe sits against righties.
Renfroe against righties is .242/.272/.412 Verdugo against Lefties is .196/.248/.245. It seems to beg for a platoon. |
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Post by incandenza on Jul 6, 2021 12:23:28 GMT -5
Black Hole Watch: Since May 7th Dalbec has a 107 wRC+. JD Martinez is at 108. Verdugo is at 93. I don't know how you platoon Verdugo and Renfroe, who both project to hit much better than Duran and offer much better defense, plus Verdugo doesn't really have handedness splits. And Duran presumably has to play center field. Maybe you can go LF Verdugo, CF Duran, and RF Renfroe against lefties, and LF Kiké, CF Duran, RF Verdugo against righties. Verdugo stays in but Renfroe sits against righties.
Renfroe against righties is .242/.272/.412 Verdugo against Lefties is .196/.248/.245. It seems to beg for a platoon. Oh wow, I had no idea Verdugo had that crazy a split this season. Still, that split didn't exist in his career at all before this year. Another Enigma? (But really I think it's just SSS stuff; it's only 109 ABs with a .232 BABIP.) |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2021 14:29:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that's part of it, but I also have the sense Dalbec has hit righties better too. If I knew how to look up meta-splits like "vs. RHP since June 1st" I would... Anyway, I 1) agree with you that a platoon or semi-platoon with Franchy is worth trying, and 2) don't think it's accurate to say 1B has been a black hole in the last two months. (Another Dalbec Stat: He's currently in one of his cold streaks - .200/.219/.300 since 6/22 - but that's actually better than his previous cold streaks which had OPS's in like the .100s. As a result in his last 18 games he's hit .297/.333/.563, a 136 wRC+. That stretch includes a 9-game hot stretch and a 9-game cold stretch. If he can keep Hot Bobby and Cold Bobby in that sort of proportion, I think that's a good representation of his potential. (Admittedly, it does include a .417 BABIP though.))
You can use Fangraphs' "Splits Tool" Dalbec through May 6: RHP: -27 wRC+ LHP: 147 wRC+ Dalbec since May 7: RHP: 113 wRC+ LHP: 96 wRC+ I actually think Dalbec's the kind of guy who gets better if he gets to play every day. Seems like whenever he comes back from sitting it takes him a game or two to refocus at the plate. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 6, 2021 16:41:36 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that pitching to Devers is a mistake? I am glad they pitch to Devers as watching him walk 660 time per year would get old. Lol |
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Post by manfred on Jul 6, 2021 16:58:24 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that pitching to Devers is a mistake? I am glad they pitch to Devers as watching him walk 660 time per year would get old. Lol Having him kick the cr@p out of you would get old for pitchers, you’d think! It is hard sometimes to remember he’s so young. He could get even *better*! |
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Post by cdj on Jul 6, 2021 17:03:16 GMT -5
Hernandez 8
Verdugo 7
Martinez DH
Bogaerts 6
Devers 5
Renfroe 9
Arroyo 4
Santana 3
Wong 2
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 6, 2021 17:24:45 GMT -5
We just a few games off the pace of the 2018 team, and better at this point by a few games compared to the 2013 team. 2021 - 54-32. Unknown 2018 - 57-29. 108-54 2013 - 52-34. 97-65 The Red Sox are sitting in a nice position right now. |
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Post by bluechip on Jul 6, 2021 19:05:34 GMT -5
Renfroe against righties is .242/.272/.412 Verdugo against Lefties is .196/.248/.245. It seems to beg for a platoon. Oh wow, I had no idea Verdugo had that crazy a split this season. Still, that split didn't exist in his career at all before this year. Another Enigma? (But really I think it's just SSS stuff; it's only 109 ABs with a .232 BABIP.) Well he’s already set a career high in at bats versus lefties. I appreciate that he was good versus lefties in 2020 and 2019, but those were also very small sample sizes (smaller than this year). He is a lefty; he has struggled against lefties this year. Renfroe has struggled against righties (compared to his very very impressive stats versus lefties). It would seem that they’re natural platoon partners. |
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