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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2021 0:48:43 GMT -5
So we're clear, this acquisition did not come at no cost. From TradeRumors: That, for me, is the bottom line for young pitchers. The Nationals knew what they were doing. That fits into one of my biggest concerns about this trade, the possibility that the Sox surrendered 6 years of control over a promising young pitcher with legit upside for a guy who might not play more than six weeks for the Red Sox and is being shoehorned into the lineup playing a position he has never played before. It's crazy when you think about it. A single A lottery ticket for an all-star yet in the worst case scenario the trade could backfire. Hopefully Schwarber plays a passable 1b, comes back healthy and mashes deep into October. It's so funny. When the day started I anticipated the Red Sox getting a left handed hitting 1b from the 2016 World Champion Cubs - and they did, just not the guy I was anticipating.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 30, 2021 0:52:47 GMT -5
Why not Arroyo at 2B and Kiké at 1st? Yeah, it wastes Kiké's athleticism, but creates one hell of a lineup - and you can move guys all over the place when you give people the day off. This presupposes that Schwarber will not wind up on first? I am not so sure about that because the trade really only has full value if he can. If not, you can only solve your first base problem with Dalbecordero. Otherwise Bloom will not get full time value for Kyle
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2021 0:57:46 GMT -5
So we're clear, this acquisition did not come at no cost. From TradeRumors: That, for me, is the bottom line for young pitchers. The Nationals knew what they were doing. That fits into one of my biggest concerns about this trade, the possibility that the Sox surrendered 6 years of control over a promising young pitcher with legit upside for a guy who might not play more than six weeks for the Red Sox and is being shoehorned into the lineup playing a position he has never played before. It's crazy when you think about it. A single A lottery ticket for an all-star yet in the worst case scenario the trade could backfire. Hopefully Schwarber plays a passable 1b, comes back healthy and mashes deep into October. It's so funny. When the day started I anticipated the Red Sox getting a left handed hitting 1b from the 2016 World Champion Cubs - and they did, just not the guy I was anticipating. To me it’s the same thing as dealing Espinoza- they’re just so far away that so much can happen. He could turn into a top pitching prospect, or he could blow his arm out and end up a reliever. Such a wide variety of outcomes but you live with it knowing you won’t feel the blowback for at least 3 years In the meantime you get to watch a guy OPSing .910 join an already very good lineup
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2021 1:19:46 GMT -5
Watching his mid season highlights and something unusual I’ve seen is that he’s tattooed a bunch of pitches up and out of the zone
Not exactly the pitch you would expect to see somebody with his profile get to
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2021 1:25:06 GMT -5
That fits into one of my biggest concerns about this trade, the possibility that the Sox surrendered 6 years of control over a promising young pitcher with legit upside for a guy who might not play more than six weeks for the Red Sox and is being shoehorned into the lineup playing a position he has never played before. It's crazy when you think about it. A single A lottery ticket for an all-star yet in the worst case scenario the trade could backfire. Hopefully Schwarber plays a passable 1b, comes back healthy and mashes deep into October. It's so funny. When the day started I anticipated the Red Sox getting a left handed hitting 1b from the 2016 World Champion Cubs - and they did, just not the guy I was anticipating. To me it’s the same thing as dealing Espinoza- they’re just so far away that so much can happen. He could turn into a top pitching prospect, or he could blow his arm out and end up a reliever. Such a wide variety of outcomes but you live with it knowing you won’t feel the blowback for at least 3 years In the meantime you get to watch a guy OPSing .910 join an already very good lineup Yea. Even more so given he is currently on the IL with elbow issues
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 30, 2021 3:20:51 GMT -5
So we're clear, this acquisition did not come at no cost. From TradeRumors: That, for me, is the bottom line for young pitchers. The Nationals knew what they were doing. That fits into one of my biggest concerns about this trade, the possibility that the Sox surrendered 6 years of control over a promising young pitcher with legit upside for a guy who might not play more than six weeks for the Red Sox and is being shoehorned into the lineup playing a position he has never played before. It's crazy when you think about it. A single A lottery ticket for an all-star yet in the worst case scenario the trade could backfire. Hopefully Schwarber plays a passable 1b, comes back healthy and mashes deep into October. It's so funny. When the day started I anticipated the Red Sox getting a left handed hitting 1b from the 2016 World Champion Cubs - and they did, just not the guy I was anticipating. The price you have to pay when your team is in first place is trading prospects at the deadline to keep up with everyone else. We gave up a guy who should be around 15-17. 8 on our board is insane. Who does our rankings? We got Blaze outside the top 10…. Jay should be 7 or 8. Bello and Seabold are also about 10 spots too high. Anyways we got a guy who’s smashing and made the All Star team for a Low A pitching prospect straight up. That’s a W. I’m sure we will entertain resigning him too. He will crush in fenway and gives us a ton of options with our lineup. I really didn’t want to have to see Rizzos ugly swing every game either 😂
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 30, 2021 4:09:37 GMT -5
Sure it doesn't look perfect as he doesn't have any history at 1st base but the Sox just traded for an all star that can mash from the left side for ONE prospect. Can anyone say they would expect the cost to be just 1 lottery ticket? The fit remains to be seen but IMO this is a very good trade. The guy just hit 16 HRs in June so he has the ability to carry a team with his bat, that many in a month doesn't happen often. This move greatly enhances the batting lineup which is exactly what they needed going down the stretch and into the playoffs.
I don't think the Sox are done either. Good day.
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Post by worldbfree on Jul 30, 2021 4:10:52 GMT -5
I don’t get this move at all. Trading for a player with an injured hammy who is a bad defensive OF. You will be fortunate if he helps you in Three weeks. I wish they had gone after Harrison. He could help around the infield now. I don’t care about losing the prospect.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 30, 2021 4:37:32 GMT -5
Sure it doesn't look perfect as he doesn't have any history at 1st base but the Sox just traded for an all star that can mash from the left side for ONE prospect. Can anyone say they would expect the cost to be just 1 lottery ticket? The fit remains to be seen but IMO this is a very good trade. The guy just hit 16 HRs in June so he has the ability to carry a team with his bat, that many in a month doesn't happen often. This move greatly enhances the batting lineup which is exactly what they needed going down the stretch and into the playoffs. I don't think the Sox are done either. Good day. Honestly, I was waiting for the additional names to be listed as part of the deal because one seemed unlikely. However, this is just me being scarred from the DD trades. With him, Schwarber would have cost us Aldo, Bello, Downs and Blaze Jordan as a good faith throw in lol.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 30, 2021 4:47:16 GMT -5
Great trade. Hopefully the Red Sox can keep Schawber long term, but they got a stud for a lottery ticket. This is what I've been hoping for. I don't know if he's going to be their 1B though so I wonder if another move is coming. LF - Schwarber CF - Verdugo RF - Renfroe 2B - Kiké DH - JD Martinez 1B - ? 1B - Cordero/ Dalbec
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 30, 2021 4:52:10 GMT -5
I know you're busy Eric and its only one game but can you do a full stat analysis of that 1 gm Schwarber played 1B, jk. Well I am off to bed since I was told that Dan character is a hack. Good Night All! He has 1 game with 0 innings played. Defensive replacement in the bottom of the 9th or extras, and a no-outs walkoff?
Not quite ... April 7, 2017, Cubs at Brewers, who have the bases loaded with 1 out in the bottom of the 11th. Maddon decides to move Rizzo to LF and Schwarber to 1B! And Mike Montgomery throws an 0-2 walk-off wild pitch.
Where do you find this info? If I asked you if Schwarber's second cousin's dog had puppies recently you could probably find it haha.
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Post by unitspin on Jul 30, 2021 4:59:35 GMT -5
Hell of a pickup if he gets healthy. If not you just watched alot of contenders get better and it might be even harder to compete moving forward. Jeez the dodgers have no limit money wise I guess. They made the moves to win now and we kind of walked the tight rope lol.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2021 5:03:36 GMT -5
Would have liked someone healthy. But its better than nothing.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 30, 2021 5:19:57 GMT -5
For those of you bellyaching about the lost prospect. What are the historical chances that Aldo pitches enough at the ML level to acquire a career +1 war? At this stage what about a 25% chance if that? Schwarber has about the same if not better chance of getting the Sox that over the next 2 months, heck he hit 16 bombs in 18 games in June. Schwarber could help the Sox win a WS, just take a look what other teams are giving up for the chance to win a WS.
I hope Chaim isn't done.
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 30, 2021 5:32:33 GMT -5
He has 1 game with 0 innings played. Defensive replacement in the bottom of the 9th or extras, and a no-outs walkoff?
Not quite ... April 7, 2017, Cubs at Brewers, who have the bases loaded with 1 out in the bottom of the 11th. Maddon decides to move Rizzo to LF and Schwarber to 1B! And Mike Montgomery throws an 0-2 walk-off wild pitch.
Where do you find this info? If I asked you if Schwarber's second cousin's dog had puppies recently you could probably find it haha. www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=schwaky01&t=f&year=2017
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 5:36:47 GMT -5
Another old timer making a reappearance!
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 5:45:31 GMT -5
Speier also reports that, according to one source, Schwarber may be out for at least another 10 days.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 30, 2021 5:54:48 GMT -5
Just waking up: I think there is another shoe to drop, with a player, perhaps a good and charming player, being traded for a real 1b, one who we did not think was available.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 30, 2021 6:03:27 GMT -5
Sure it doesn't look perfect as he doesn't have any history at 1st base but the Sox just traded for an all star that can mash from the left side for ONE prospect. Can anyone say they would expect the cost to be just 1 lottery ticket? The fit remains to be seen but IMO this is a very good trade. The guy just hit 16 HRs in June so he has the ability to carry a team with his bat, that many in a month doesn't happen often. This move greatly enhances the batting lineup which is exactly what they needed going down the stretch and into the playoffs. I don't think the Sox are done either. Good day. Honestly, I was waiting for the additional names to be listed as part of the deal because one seemed unlikely. However, this is just me being scarred from the DD trades. With him, Schwarber would have cost us Aldo, Bello, Downs and Blaze Jordan as a good faith throw in lol. Agreed. Looked back several times and seen a lot of whining over acquisition cost of a pretty good power hitting rental lefty for a kid who is so far away that anything can happen. The comparison I saw up above thought was kind of hilarious also. He was throwing upper 90's as a teenager stateside for strikes and dominating the GCL. Saw him at the Ft Once, that kid was night and day a better prospect at the time than is Ramirez.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2021 6:10:19 GMT -5
I know you're busy Eric and its only one game but can you do a full stat analysis of that 1 gm Schwarber played 1B, jk. Well I am off to bed since I was told that Dan character is a hack. Good Night All! His one game at first base included no innings in the field… analysis done
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2021 6:12:41 GMT -5
Can someone confirm that Aldo needed to be added to the 40 or be a Rule 5 option?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2021 6:19:25 GMT -5
Can someone confirm that Aldo needed to be added to the 40 or be a Rule 5 option? He didn't.
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Post by tomhouse on Jul 30, 2021 6:21:28 GMT -5
To me it’s the same thing as dealing Espinoza- they’re just so far away that so much can happen. He could turn into a top pitching prospect, or he could blow his arm out and end up a reliever. Such a wide variety of outcomes but you live with it knowing you won’t feel the blowback for at least 3 years In the meantime you get to watch a guy OPSing .910 join an already very good lineup Yea. Even more so given he is currently on the IL with elbow issues He has tendonitis and hasn’t pitched since June 13th, when he pitched 5 innings for Salem in low A.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 30, 2021 6:41:00 GMT -5
Has anyone from the Red Sox organization (Bloom, Cora etc.) actually said Schwarber will be playing 1B?
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 6:46:36 GMT -5
Has anyone from the Red Sox organization (Bloom, Cora etc.) actually said Schwarber will be playing 1B? Speier has reported that per multiple major league sources, they will try Schwarber at 1B (but also at DH and in the OF).
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