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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2021 18:51:36 GMT -5
Can we stop lumping in Erod with perez and richards? I understand his old school numbers are ugly but look at his sabermetric numbers. He's had crappy luck.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2021 18:51:54 GMT -5
John Flemming not throwing a lot of strikes. Sox really helping him out tonight.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2021 18:52:16 GMT -5
Can't trade the 18th prospect for a competent 1B. Awful. Again, just wanted a guy who can average a 0.0 WAR. This team could be nearly 2 wins better by simply not playing Dalbec. Atrocious. What specific trade are you talking about that fits this description that was out there and they passed on? Also, they say Schwarber is going to play first, let’s see if he can’t do it before deciding on his behalf.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2021 18:53:32 GMT -5
Can we stop lumping in Erod with perez and richards? I understand his old school numbers are ugly but look at his sabermetric numbers. He's had crappy luck. All year? He's also normally an above-average pitcher. Until said luck turns around, he is what he is.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2021 18:55:43 GMT -5
Also generally I would have loved if they upgraded on Richards (I think Perez is fine for what he is, he won’t play in the post-season anyways), but which trade should the Red Sox have made. I wouldn’t have wanted to give up the players the Phillies or Jays did to get those guys, hard to know what Scherzer’s cost was and if he even would have come once he knew the Dodgers were in. Other than those deals was there a clear upgrade starter traded? Not really that I can see…
The Red Sox can’t conjure available starting pitchers.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2021 18:57:29 GMT -5
Also generally I would have loved if they upgraded on Richards (I think Perez is fine for what he is, he won’t play in the post-season anyways), but which trade should the Red Sox have made. I wouldn’t have wanted to give up the players the Phillies or Jays did to get those guys, hard to know what Scherzer’s cost was and if he even would have come once he knew the Dodgers were in. Other than those deals was there a clear upgrade starter traded? Not really that I can see… The Red Sox can’t conjure available starting pitchers. This. The only starter trade I saw that I think could have made sense for the Sox was Tyler Anderson. He could have been a marginal upgrade over perez and richards. Berrios was never happening once the jays offered Martin. That's basically the equivalent of Mayer and oh ya there was a 2nd top 100 guy in the deal. For scherzer and turner the nats also got 2 top 100 guys. There just wasn't any starters available for a price that the Sox could really afford to pay.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2021 18:59:03 GMT -5
Can't trade the 18th prospect for a competent 1B. Awful. Again, just wanted a guy who can average a 0.0 WAR. This team could be nearly 2 wins better by simply not playing Dalbec. Atrocious. What specific trade are you talking about that fits this description that was out there and they passed on? Also, they say Schwarber is going to play first, let’s see if he can’t do it before deciding on his behalf. No idea, but there was no one available? Why not buy Hosmer and get a prospect and go over the luxury tax? He's an improvement and you're not going 40 million over. Stop gap to Casas. After 2022 he makes 13 million per year for 3 years. Eat half and send him off if he's not better than Casas. They couldn't get C.J. Cron? Not sure how serious the groin is, but he's not on the IL last I checked. I'm sure there's other creative players out there.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2021 18:59:32 GMT -5
ok, I’m going to start the I hate Bobby Dalbec club, fine he can’t hit, but dropping catchable throws constantly at 1b is the last straw. His first at bat, he hit it 389 feet and it had an expected batting average of .890.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2021 19:00:01 GMT -5
What specific trade are you talking about that fits this description that was out there and they passed on? Also, they say Schwarber is going to play first, let’s see if he can’t do it before deciding on his behalf. No idea, but there was no one available? Why not buy Hosmer and get a prospect and go over the luxury tax? He's an improvement and you're not going 40 million over. Stop gap to Casas. After 2022 he makes 13 million per year for 3 years. Eat half and send him off if he's not better than Casas. They couldn't get C.J. Cron? Not sure how serious the groin is, but he's not on the IL last I checked. I'm sure there's other creative players out there. Well I'd say that yes there were none available or they would have made the trade. I want nothing to do with Hosmer and his crappy contract and having dead money on the books when you inevitably cut him or trade him and eat money.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2021 19:00:46 GMT -5
No idea, but there was no one available? Why not buy Hosmer and get a prospect and go over the luxury tax? He's an improvement and you're not going 40 million over. Stop gap to Casas. After 2022 he makes 13 million per year for 3 years. Eat half and send him off if he's not better than Casas. They couldn't get C.J. Cron? Not sure how serious the groin is, but he's not on the IL last I checked. I'm sure there's other creative players out there. Well I'd say that yes there were none available or they would have made the trade. They could have made the Hosmer trade.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2021 19:01:24 GMT -5
Well I'd say that yes there were none available or they would have made the trade. They could have made the Hosmer trade. Hosmer does absolutely nothing for the Red sox. He's been absolutely terrible for the last few months. Literally dalbec level bad.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2021 19:03:53 GMT -5
This is a joke.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 19:04:04 GMT -5
Bad route by Duran but that speed made up for it.
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Post by ep51 on Jul 30, 2021 19:08:07 GMT -5
I like Martin Perez good guy seems like a great teammate and better then, Richards but you keep putting him out there with the Jays, Yankees, and Rays lineups bad things are going to happen.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2021 19:08:40 GMT -5
They could have made the Hosmer trade. Hosmer does absolutely nothing for the Red sox. He's been absolutely terrible for the last few months. Literally dalbec level bad. He's still a 0.6 WAR player. Coming into today Dalbec was -1.2 and that's only going down after today.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 30, 2021 19:08:42 GMT -5
looking like an "ugh" sort of day all around.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 30, 2021 19:10:25 GMT -5
Is it too early to tank?
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Post by ep51 on Jul 30, 2021 19:11:06 GMT -5
The difference between these two organizations are the Rays can call up guys who are good the Red Sox have no prospects they can call up who are better than Richards and Perez. It's also why Red Sox didn't get a lot of love in making trades they have nothing in the system to help a major league team.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 30, 2021 19:11:07 GMT -5
The worst part about all of this is that we DFA'd Workman so we can't even waste innings on him.
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Post by ep51 on Jul 30, 2021 19:12:31 GMT -5
I pray Devers is going to be back soon major emptiness in the lineup without him.
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Post by manfred on Jul 30, 2021 19:13:16 GMT -5
The worst part about all of this is that we DFA'd Workman so we can't even waste innings on him. Maybe Robles has arrived?
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 19:14:02 GMT -5
Damnit Vazquez
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 30, 2021 19:14:22 GMT -5
How many outs does this fool Make on the bases?
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Post by ep51 on Jul 30, 2021 19:14:32 GMT -5
The Red Sox bullpen will start struggling with the overuse when E-Rod, Perez, and Richards starts.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2021 19:14:47 GMT -5
Terrible baserunning. Why does Vazquez think he's Rickey Henderson?
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