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8/17-8/18 Red Sox @ Yankees Thread
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 19, 2021 0:16:03 GMT -5
I think somebody needs to spend more money on therapy
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2021 0:18:43 GMT -5
C'mon. They're getting killed by the Rays, Jays, and Yankees, tough AL East opponents. They have 7 left against TB and 3 at Fenway against the Yankees. That's 10 tough games and 29 games against lesser competition including 6 against Baltimore. They're likely to go 21-18 to finish 90-72 which might get them the second Wild Card spot. Theyre not going to lose the remaining 39 games. They also lost 2 out of 3 to Detroit. They lost 3 out of 3 to a Yankees team with a subpar rotation dealing with injuries and Covid. The only bright spot has been their dominance over the literal worst team/organization in baseball. This series was just the nail in the coffin to build excitement and trust that they can turn it around. Yes I know they lost 2 of 3 in Detroit in Detroit. That doesnt mean they'll lose every remaining non AL East game though. The Yankees have been beating everybody lately having won 8 straight series. They're on a 28-11 run. Dude, I'm ticked too, but that doesn't mean they're going to go 0-39 to end the season. I can see them going 3-7 against NY and TB and going either 17-12 or 18-11 against lesser competition while playing well at Fenway. Of course beating those lesser teams give them a shot at the playoffs but once there they are showing they can no longer handle the good teams, which is why I don't think they'd last beyond the wild card game against NY if they qualified.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 19, 2021 7:39:11 GMT -5
How about this scenario: Sox vs. Yankees in WC. Yankees very proud of themselves for their big comeback, Sox being counted out after collapse. Then the Sox kick their a€$e3 — and end the season in a painful way for the Bronx. Wouldn’t be bad. That would be the only way to salvage the season but I no longer trust the Sox to win a must game. Remember you said this.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 19, 2021 7:46:30 GMT -5
The book is out on the Sox batters, take advantage of their aggressive plate at bats and nibble around the edges as they will chase. It doesn't help when the umps are calling balls strikes and messing with their ability to be patient. I know it goes both ways but I have seen a lot of bad calls recently.
The staff and the pen look like they can compete, Richards has been a good addition to the 3 inning crew and I'm hopeful the rest of the pen will get right. The bats need to come around and start hunting good pitches to hit and stop chasing, they are too good to continue to struggle. There is still hope.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 19, 2021 7:51:44 GMT -5
The book is out on the Sox batters, take advantage of their aggressive plate at bats and nibble around the edges as they will chase. It doesn't help when the umps are calling balls strikes and messing with their ability to be patient. I know it goes both ways but I have seen a lot of bad calls recently. The staff and the pen look like they can compete, Richards has been a good addition to the 3 inning crew and I'm hopeful the rest of the pen will get right. The bats need to come around and start hunting good pitches to hit and stop chasing, they are too good to continue to struggle. There is still hope. I don't disagree. Isn't the book out on everyone at this point? The Sox need to make adjustments, not sure if something larger is going on or if close to everyone is slumping at the same time coincidentally. I'm leaning towards the later....but I'm open minded.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 19, 2021 7:54:10 GMT -5
That would be the only way to salvage the season but I no longer trust the Sox to win a must game. Remember you said this. Reverse Buckys Dent, bottom of the 9th 3 run jack to win the game.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 19, 2021 7:57:00 GMT -5
I give this series 0/5 stars, would not recommend.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2021 8:21:03 GMT -5
That would be the only way to salvage the season but I no longer trust the Sox to win a must game. Remember you said this. Why would I forget? The division title chase is gone. Just because the Red Sox collapsed doesn't mean Tampa will. I think they will take the division rather easily. All that's left is playing for the Wild Card game. Toronto, for whatever reason, can't get out its own way. So that leaves NY, Boston, and Oakland vying for the wild card. If the Yankees weren't going to make it they would have rolled over and died a long time ago, so I have no doubt, while I don't expect them to play .700 ball the rest of the way, they will play well enough to make the wild card, so that leaves Boston and Oakland. The Sox have a relatively easy schedule, so I think they'll play better than .500 the rest of the way. Will 89 or 90 wins be enough? I don't know. Maybe the Sox and Oakland will wind up tied and have to have a playoff game just to get into the wild card game with NY. Likely, if the Sox are the wild card, they wind up in NY. If they win the Wild Card game, that means they eliminate the Yankees, and if the Sox then get discharged with honor against TB or Houston or Chicago - as long as they don't choke away a series, then it will have been a very successful season, eliminate the Yankees, make the playoffs. I could definitely be happy with that. Satisfied, no. Happy for 2021, yes, and that would more than get them off the hook for blowing this huge lead to the Yankees. Anytime the Sox engage in Yankee elimination day, it's a badge of honor. If they lose to the Yankees in the Wild Card game, then the season will have been a kick in the crotch. I'd rather they were either mediocre and had been able to take advantage of a seller's market and been non-competitive than to surprise me, make me buy in, get emotionally invested, and then yank my chain, especially against the Yankees. You want to choke to TB like they did in 2011? Not good, but ok. Toronto? Ok. But not them.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 19, 2021 8:34:58 GMT -5
I don't care about the schedule, or the umpires. I care about a quiet clubhouse, what Cora said after these games. I want the leaders on the team to get angry, light a fire, remind these players that they are talented, that they did it in the first half. I don't care why it is happening - but there is a LOT of the season left. I love the way the pitching seems to have found itself. If the offense can do the same, the rest of the season should be fun to watch. But - stupid errors, baserunning blunders - self inflicted wounds - they happen to all teams, but this team can't afford many more of them.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 19, 2021 8:37:38 GMT -5
Why would I forget? The division title chase is gone. Just because the Red Sox collapsed doesn't mean Tampa will. I think they will take the division rather easily. All that's left is playing for the Wild Card game. Toronto, for whatever reason, can't get out its own way. So that leaves NY, Boston, and Oakland vying for the wild card. If the Yankees weren't going to make it they would have rolled over and died a long time ago, so I have no doubt, while I don't expect them to play .700 ball the rest of the way, they will play well enough to make the wild card, so that leaves Boston and Oakland. The Sox have a relatively easy schedule, so I think they'll play better than .500 the rest of the way. Will 89 or 90 wins be enough? I don't know. Maybe the Sox and Oakland will wind up tied and have to have a playoff game just to get into the wild card game with NY. Likely, if the Sox are the wild card, they wind up in NY. If they win the Wild Card game, that means they eliminate the Yankees, and if the Sox then get discharged with honor against TB or Houston or Chicago - as long as they don't choke away a series, then it will have been a very successful season, eliminate the Yankees, make the playoffs. I could definitely be happy with that. Satisfied, no. Happy for 2021, yes, and that would more than get them off the hook for blowing this huge lead to the Yankees. Anytime the Sox engage in Yankee elimination day, it's a badge of honor. If they lose to the Yankees in the Wild Card game, then the season will have been a kick in the crotch. I'd rather they were either mediocre and had been able to take advantage of a seller's market and been non-competitive than to surprise me, make me buy in, get emotionally invested, and then yank my chain, especially against the Yankees. You want to choke to TB like they did in 2011? Not good, but ok. Toronto? Ok. But not them. The law of averages would suggest that both TB and MFY will regress a bit and the Sox will win a little more often. Expected results would say the same. The bounce of the ball, exit velocity, barreled balls. Pretty sure all of the those move toward the mean over time. It is close but I have not given up hope.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 19, 2021 8:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Aug 19, 2021 9:00:24 GMT -5
Doesn’t this seem to kind of refute the “batting average doesn’t matter” argument? Just think how many situations in that series we’d have given anything for a punch’n’judy .300 hitter. I’m *shocked* that a team full of low OBP guys has streaks like this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2021 9:12:21 GMT -5
Why would I forget? The division title chase is gone. Just because the Red Sox collapsed doesn't mean Tampa will. I think they will take the division rather easily. All that's left is playing for the Wild Card game. Toronto, for whatever reason, can't get out its own way. So that leaves NY, Boston, and Oakland vying for the wild card. If the Yankees weren't going to make it they would have rolled over and died a long time ago, so I have no doubt, while I don't expect them to play .700 ball the rest of the way, they will play well enough to make the wild card, so that leaves Boston and Oakland. The Sox have a relatively easy schedule, so I think they'll play better than .500 the rest of the way. Will 89 or 90 wins be enough? I don't know. Maybe the Sox and Oakland will wind up tied and have to have a playoff game just to get into the wild card game with NY. Likely, if the Sox are the wild card, they wind up in NY. If they win the Wild Card game, that means they eliminate the Yankees, and if the Sox then get discharged with honor against TB or Houston or Chicago - as long as they don't choke away a series, then it will have been a very successful season, eliminate the Yankees, make the playoffs. I could definitely be happy with that. Satisfied, no. Happy for 2021, yes, and that would more than get them off the hook for blowing this huge lead to the Yankees. Anytime the Sox engage in Yankee elimination day, it's a badge of honor. If they lose to the Yankees in the Wild Card game, then the season will have been a kick in the crotch. I'd rather they were either mediocre and had been able to take advantage of a seller's market and been non-competitive than to surprise me, make me buy in, get emotionally invested, and then yank my chain, especially against the Yankees. You want to choke to TB like they did in 2011? Not good, but ok. Toronto? Ok. But not them. The law of averages would suggest that both TB and MFY will regress a bit and the Sox will win a little more often. Expected results would say the same. The bounce of the ball, exit velocity, barreled balls. Pretty sure all of the those move toward the mean over time. It is close but I have not given up hope. Hope for what? Winning the division? Or being one of the two wild cards? Winning the division is not very likely. Being one of the two wild cards is a reasonable chance. I do think they make it to the wild card game, but it wouldn't shock me if they didn't.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2021 9:37:44 GMT -5
Geez, the Yankees really have everything going their way. I just looked at the schedule. They get to play their favorite patsies at home for 4 games, the Minnesota Twins.
The A's have it tougher. They get the White Sox today and then play the Giants for the weekend.
I would anticipate the Yankees take at least 3 of the next 4 while the A's might be fortunate to split the next 4.
The Sox have 10 games against weak competition. They've had issues with Texas recently. That has to stop. The Sox have played well at home recently. They really have no excuse not to take at least 7 of 10.
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Post by Canseco on Aug 19, 2021 9:50:29 GMT -5
Doesn’t this seem to kind of refute the “batting average doesn’t matter” argument? Just think how many situations in that series we’d have given anything for a punch’n’judy .300 hitter. I’m *shocked* that a team full of low OBP guys has streaks like this. Yep. The modern all-or-nothing trend insults the game. It’s a rich man’s slow pitch softball. Put the ball in play, prioritize up-the-middle defense and base running, and a budget like ours can fill in with the fancy stuff.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 19, 2021 9:50:47 GMT -5
Geez, the Yankees really have everything going their way. I just looked at the schedule. They get to play their favorite patsies at home for 4 games, the Minnesota Twins. The A's have it tougher. They get the White Sox today and then play the Giants for the weekend. I would anticipate the Yankees take at least 3 of the next 4 while the A's might be fortunate to split the next 4. The Sox have 10 games against weak competition. They've had issues with Texas recently. That has to stop. The Sox have played well at home recently. They really have no excuse not to take at least 7 of 10. Well, all of the pitching match ups sure look favorable for us for the next three series. We need to make it so!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2021 9:55:57 GMT -5
Geez, the Yankees really have everything going their way. I just looked at the schedule. They get to play their favorite patsies at home for 4 games, the Minnesota Twins. The A's have it tougher. They get the White Sox today and then play the Giants for the weekend. I would anticipate the Yankees take at least 3 of the next 4 while the A's might be fortunate to split the next 4. The Sox have 10 games against weak competition. They've had issues with Texas recently. That has to stop. The Sox have played well at home recently. They really have no excuse not to take at least 7 of 10. Well, all of the pitching match ups sure look favorable for us for the next three series. We need to make it so! Wasn't that said before the start of the Yankees series, that the pitching matchups were favorable for the Sox? Haha. But yeah, the pitching matchups are favorable for the Sox, and I think being at home against a lame team, this time it should work out for the Sox. I'd expect 2 of 3 and hope for 3 of 3.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 19, 2021 10:14:23 GMT -5
Well, all of the pitching match ups sure look favorable for us for the next three series. We need to make it so! Wasn't that said before the start of the Yankees series, that the pitching matchups were favorable for the Sox? Haha. But yeah, the pitching matchups are favorable for the Sox, and I think being at home against a lame team, this time it should work out for the Sox. I'd expect 2 of 3 and hope for 3 of 3. Haha indeed! Have a great day, my friend - we ALL deserve a day off!
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 19, 2021 10:22:00 GMT -5
The law of averages would suggest that both TB and MFY will regress a bit and the Sox will win a little more often. Expected results would say the same. The bounce of the ball, exit velocity, barreled balls. Pretty sure all of the those move toward the mean over time. It is close but I have not given up hope. Hope for what? Winning the division? Or being one of the two wild cards? Winning the division is not very likely. Being one of the two wild cards is a reasonable chance. I do think they make it to the wild card game, but it wouldn't shock me if they didn't. You know what they say, get into the playoffs and anything can happen. My hope is that they just get there, that would be an accomplishment for the team the started the year.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 19, 2021 11:34:04 GMT -5
I feel like this team would find a way to lose on a day off.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 19, 2021 12:27:37 GMT -5
I feel like this team would find a way to lose on a day off. This group of Sox Nation needs a different Neil Diamond song: Love on the rocks Ain't no surprise Just pour me a drink And I'll tell you some lies Got nothin' to lose So you just sing the blues All the time!!! Gave you my heart Gave you my soul You left me alone here With nothing to hold Yesterday's gone ...
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Post by aznpopsical on Aug 19, 2021 12:37:08 GMT -5
The game plan to get our hitters out is just so obvious at this point: keep throwing them outside off the zone
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 19, 2021 12:51:47 GMT -5
I feel like this team would find a way to lose on a day off. If both Oakland and New York win today, that's kind of what would happen.
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Post by danredhawk on Aug 19, 2021 15:43:05 GMT -5
I'm not happy with how they're playing, but it's more in line with what I expected from the team this season. Too bad after a hot start. I hope they can get back on track and find a way into the playoffs.
That said, I love when a baseball team struggles and fans think they should anger, effort and scream their way out of a slump. That's not how it works. Its not football where you can run through the guy in front of you when you're struggling, or basketball where you can set a pick and pass, or hockey where you can hustle after a loose puck...
You can't manage a team, or lead a team, based on what you WANT to say to them - you manage or lead based on what the players NEED to hear to improve and find themselves. Do you want the Sox to get back to playing good baseball? Or do you want to see them scream at each other so YOU feel better...
There is only one way to snap an individual pitching or hitting slump - and that is to hit or pitch better. You can't do the 'little things' to help the team while you wait to find yourself like you can in other sports. That means focus, work and repetitions to try to get back to what you do well. It means confidence and belief. It means being honest, but it absolutely does not mean making everyone miserable when they come to work or bitching just to vent or point fingers.
You don't go up to the plate and emotion a ball into left field, you execute an at bat. In a game where you become a legend for making seven outs in 10 chances, a good leader should scream at guys for making eight outs in ten? Baseball is a grind, you've got to try to pick guys up over a long season and support them as they fight to get better. It doesn't mean they don't care.
It's frustrating as fans, I get it - but I'm pleased Cora and team leadership continue to manage with calm and honest accountability in hopes of rebounding and not a screaming tantrum in order to appease SoxPropects.com...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 19, 2021 22:00:06 GMT -5
I feel like this team would find a way to lose on a day off. If both Oakland and New York win today, that's kind of what would happen. Just as you surmised! We are now on the outside.
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