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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 21, 2022 20:50:37 GMT -5
One thing to note is that if Casas keeps his rookie eligibility past this season, then the Red Sox will be eligible to get these Prospect Promotion Incentive draft picks from him by putting him on next year's opening day roster. He would need to finish top 3 in ROY or top 5 in MVP before he hits arb.
I don't think they'd hold him back an extra two months over that, but I bet they would hold him back an extra two weeks.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 21, 2022 20:52:04 GMT -5
One thing to note is that if Casas keeps his rookie eligibility past this season, then the Red Sox will be eligible to get these Prospect Promotion Incentive draft picks from him by putting him on next year's opening day roster. He would need to finish top 3 in ROY or top 5 in MVP before he hits arb. I don't think they'd hold him back an extra two months over that, but I bet they would hold him back an extra two weeks. So are you telling me that... the team... would be incentivized... to keep him in the minors... longer... thanks to this new provision?
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 21, 2022 20:58:39 GMT -5
One thing to note is that if Casas keeps his rookie eligibility past this season, then the Red Sox will be eligible to get these Prospect Promotion Incentive draft picks from him by putting him on next year's opening day roster. He would need to finish top 3 in ROY or top 5 in MVP before he hits arb. I don't think they'd hold him back an extra two months over that, but I bet they would hold him back an extra two weeks. So are you telling me that... the team... would be incentivized... to keep him in the minors... longer... thanks to this new provision? Yes, and to top it off if a team is in the exact same situation as the Cubs were with Kris Bryant, then I don't think the incentive is strong enough to stop them from holding him back a few weeks to get the extra season.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 21, 2022 22:00:40 GMT -5
I'm going to be more optimistic than the field and say the end of May, beginning of June. I also think because of his plate discipline he's the type of hitter who will benefit from facing MLB pitching who are around the strike zone more consistently and he'll hit for a better average than he did in the minors
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 21, 2022 23:11:50 GMT -5
The old baseball cliché is that you don't want a prospect's first experience with failure to be in the majors. You want him to be able to work through adjustments in the minors where wins and losses don't matter. Maybe you don't want them to fail quite like Jeter Downs has but you'd like to see a guy face adversity and overcome it before the big leagues (and if Downs does come back strong this year, he'll know he can do it again if it happens in the bigs).
So is it a bad thing that Casas hasn't really struggled much as a pro? Should we want him to go through a slump and come out of it this summer? Thus far, his longest slump has been a six-game skid last August when he went 0-for-16 but with 7 BBs and only 5 Ks. This was his worst slump as a professional and his K-rate was the same as his career K-rate. Can you even call it a slump when he had a .304 OBP?
Obviously, no one is going to root for young Triston to struggle in Worcester this year but if he does happen to hit a rough patch for a couple weeks, it's not the end of the world.
This may also be the appropriate time to remind everyone that he has only played in 208 minor league games with only 9 of them in AAA. I looked up guys who seemed to shoot up through the system, like Betts (299 MiLB games), Bogaerts (379), and Devers (406); if it takes Casas until 2023 to graduate, it's not like he'll be behind schedule.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 22, 2022 6:15:31 GMT -5
4th of July Weekend. I think Dalbec starts off very rocky again and gets benched. They aren't fans of rushing prospects up to the majors. Thats why I'm not saying end of April/Early May. But by the middle of July he'll definitely be up at least once.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 22, 2022 6:17:22 GMT -5
I'd like to formally change my answer. 2023, book it.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Mar 22, 2022 6:29:34 GMT -5
Regardless of the potential of Casas there's time for him to stay in AAA to fine tune is skills plus to work in the matters that need improve.
He doesn't need to be rush up let him get better and force is way up when the time comes.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 22, 2022 7:03:46 GMT -5
No one has yet to mention the poor performances of prospects coming up last season after having a season off from covid. It is a long list of guys who were highly touted and absolutely s#cked on the same level as Duran when they came up. Maybe that will change a bit this yr but the difference between AAA and the show has never been more pronounced. Just think about Franchy also, huge in AAA but couldn't get out of his own way in Boston right.
I think Casas will crush Worcester but struggle a bit when he gets the call in Boston just like guys did last yr. On the flipside I think Bobby D is going to hit well enough so that Casas isn't needed so they will keep him down longer. Shaw isn't that bad of a player either, he has had his moments in the sun.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 22, 2022 7:36:40 GMT -5
No one has yet to mention the poor performances of prospects coming up last season after having a season off from covid. It is a long list of guys who were highly touted and absolutely s#cked on the same level as Duran when they came up. Maybe that will change a bit this yr but the difference between AAA and the show has never been more pronounced. Just think about Franchy also, huge in AAA but couldn't get out of his own way in Boston right. I think Casas will crush Worcester but struggle a bit when he gets the call in Boston just like guys did last yr. On the flipside I think Bobby D is going to hit well enough so that Casas isn't needed so they will keep him down longer. Shaw isn't that bad of a player either, he has had his moments in the sun. I'm not sure you can throw it on covid as much as the jump from AAA to MLB is pretty big. Trout Rizzo and countless others have failed their 1st time up. Lets see the adjustments Duran makes this year. But asking Casas to crush immediately is a huge ask.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 22, 2022 9:05:22 GMT -5
No one has yet to mention the poor performances of prospects coming up last season after having a season off from covid. It is a long list of guys who were highly touted and absolutely s#cked on the same level as Duran when they came up. Maybe that will change a bit this yr but the difference between AAA and the show has never been more pronounced. Just think about Franchy also, huge in AAA but couldn't get out of his own way in Boston right. I think Casas will crush Worcester but struggle a bit when he gets the call in Boston just like guys did last yr. On the flipside I think Bobby D is going to hit well enough so that Casas isn't needed so they will keep him down longer. Shaw isn't that bad of a player either, he has had his moments in the sun. I honestly don't know how Worcester performance can be the biggest factor in Casas' timeline based on how hard an adjustment most prospects had last year (duran to MLB and Downs to AAA are largest local examples). Hard to tell given the Polar Park Vortex what power numbers will mean. I think they'll be looking at approach and timing and performance against top competition and road performance, so even if he's cooking in the stats department I'm guessing that's not a deciding factor.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 22, 2022 10:09:52 GMT -5
No one has yet to mention the poor performances of prospects coming up last season after having a season off from covid. It is a long list of guys who were highly touted and absolutely s#cked on the same level as Duran when they came up. Maybe that will change a bit this yr but the difference between AAA and the show has never been more pronounced. Just think about Franchy also, huge in AAA but couldn't get out of his own way in Boston right. I think Casas will crush Worcester but struggle a bit when he gets the call in Boston just like guys did last yr. On the flipside I think Bobby D is going to hit well enough so that Casas isn't needed so they will keep him down longer. Shaw isn't that bad of a player either, he has had his moments in the sun. I honestly don't know how Worcester performance can be the biggest factor in Casas' timeline based on how hard an adjustment most prospects had last year (duran to MLB and Downs to AAA are largest local examples). Hard to tell given the Polar Park Vortex what power numbers will mean. I think they'll be looking at approach and timing and performance against top competition and road performance, so even if he's cooking in the stats department I'm guessing that's not a deciding factor. Too bad the Vortex wasn't discovered in advance to give accurate reads.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 22, 2022 16:06:36 GMT -5
No one has yet to mention the poor performances of prospects coming up last season after having a season off from covid. It is a long list of guys who were highly touted and absolutely s#cked on the same level as Duran when they came up. Maybe that will change a bit this yr but the difference between AAA and the show has never been more pronounced. Just think about Franchy also, huge in AAA but couldn't get out of his own way in Boston right. I think Casas will crush Worcester but struggle a bit when he gets the call in Boston just like guys did last yr. On the flipside I think Bobby D is going to hit well enough so that Casas isn't needed so they will keep him down longer. Shaw isn't that bad of a player either, he has had his moments in the sun. I'm not sure you can throw it on covid as much as the jump from AAA to MLB is pretty big. Trout Rizzo and countless others have failed their 1st time up. Lets see the adjustments Duran makes this year. But asking Casas to crush immediately is a huge ask. It is a combination of both but having a year off certainly doesn't help ones game when developing towards the majors. Duran becoming good would be a great revelation, he can affect the game in so many ways if he can just make that jump.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 5, 2022 12:32:51 GMT -5
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