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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 18, 2022 7:12:58 GMT -5
Can't say I'm overly enamored with the picks. Especially the 2nd pick when they had prielipp staring them in the face. Maybe his medicals weren't great but if you're going to go presumably under slot with the first pick I'd have liked taking a swing for the fences on prielipp. Oh well, I'll still be rooting like heck for this trio to turn out to be good major league ball players. Really like the Romero and Anthony picks, I agree I wanted Prielipp and thought he was their target all along. I was all but convinced he was going to the Dodgers at 40, who have a track record of premium college arms w TJ. Butthey passed (for another draft fav of mine) and the stars aligned but it was Coffey, and I was surprised but not disappointed. The thing that stuck out to me, is they seemingly had a very clear plan, and executed as they wanted. Maybe got a tad lucky w Anthony lasting to 79, but prob due to some posturing there, but even if so, it was part of their plan. I think they can still be aggressive in the prep market today too, w Malcom Moore being a eye emoji name for me.
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Post by cdj on Jul 18, 2022 7:16:20 GMT -5
I trust they saw something they liked in Coffey’s adjustments at the plate this spring. Texas doesn’t hand out scholarships to scrubs though so that’s always a good sign. Having the pitching in the back pocket is a nice fallback option
That’s the only pick I’m lukewarm on. But I admittedly know nothing about him and I look forward to seeing him debut in the system.
The more I read about Romero the more I love the pick. Roman Anthony was a great pick where we got him imo
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Post by mobaz on Jul 18, 2022 7:18:02 GMT -5
Can't say I'm overly enamored with the picks. Especially the 2nd pick when they had prielipp staring them in the face. Maybe his medicals weren't great but if you're going to go presumably under slot with the first pick I'd have liked taking a swing for the fences on prielipp. Oh well, I'll still be rooting like heck for this trio to turn out to be good major league ball players. I would have gone with him too. I feel like those "top college pitcher who drops due to injury" seem to work out more often than not.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 18, 2022 7:29:38 GMT -5
I trust they saw something they liked in Coffey’s adjustments at the plate this spring. Texas doesn’t hand out scholarships to scrubs though so that’s always a good sign. Having the pitching in the back pocket is a nice fallback option That’s the only pick I’m lukewarm on. But I admittedly know nothing about him and I look forward to seeing him debut in the system. The more I read about Romero the more I love the pick. Roman Anthony was a great pick where we got him imo I found it interesting that BA's write up, mentioned Coffey recognizes spin well for a prep hitter. They were the highest on Coffey. W Law's reports, his comment about terrible competition is what it is, but he also performed very well at the combine and gained significant helium. His year to year gains/improvement impress me and had he made it to campus, would have been a legit 2 way guy for UT. Taking that projectability and athleticism is something I always like, sort of fits the age model too, having just turned 18 at the end of May.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 18, 2022 7:32:36 GMT -5
Loving this draft, first 3 picks kind of give me 2020 vibes, except we will have more than 5 rounds. Very interesting to see how the rest of this draft plays out, and what these kids are going to sign for.
I've been working so much lately, that I literally just almost ended this comment with a sign-off and my name HAHA.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 18, 2022 7:33:12 GMT -5
I trust they saw something they liked in Coffey’s adjustments at the plate this spring. Texas doesn’t hand out scholarships to scrubs though so that’s always a good sign. Having the pitching in the back pocket is a nice fallback option That’s the only pick I’m lukewarm on. But I admittedly know nothing about him and I look forward to seeing him debut in the system. The more I read about Romero the more I love the pick. Roman Anthony was a great pick where we got him imo I found it interesting that BA's write up, mentioned Coffey recognizes spin well for a prep hitter. They were the highest on Coffey. W Law's reports, his comment about terrible competition is what it is, but he also performed very well at the combine and gained significant helium. His year to year gains/improvement impress me and had he made it to campus, would have been a legit 2 way guy for UT. Taking that projectability and athleticism is something I always like, sort of fits the age model too, having just turned 18 at the end of May. Has anyone seen a decent draft tracker showing ages? The main ones I can see aren't showing them. Or do I need to go back into mocks/top rankings to find them?
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Post by prospectlove on Jul 18, 2022 7:41:50 GMT -5
#2 overall WORST pick overall ….. Drumrole ( cutter Coffey- Boston Red Sox) More than a few eyebrows were raised when the Boston Red Sox reached for Nick Yorke in the first round of the 2020 draft, and now he's a Top 100 prospect. The issue here is that the Red Sox reached not once, but twice, for high school infielders ranked well below their draft slot on predraft rankings: -No. 24 overall pick SS Mikey Romero (No. 65 on MLB.com, No. 54 on Baseball America) -No. 41 overall pick SS Cutter Coffey (No. 105 on MLB.com, No. 65 on Baseball America) Pairing one of those early reaches with a safer college pitcher would have been a balanced approach, especially for a team with a shortage of quality arms in the pipeline. Will the Red Sox make the industry rankings look silly once again? ———- So not only did Red Sox make second worst pick as ranked by bleacher report but they are going OVER slot to do so! Yeah I can see why some people grumble a bit. Let’s hope the people being paid by Sox are in fact smarter than others because that’s the only way this is a win! syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10042405-2022-mlb-draft-grades-best-and-worst-picks-from-sunday-results.amp.html
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Post by cdj on Jul 18, 2022 7:42:55 GMT -5
I do in fact believe the people that run the Red Sox are smarter than a random writer for bleacher report, jfc lol
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 18, 2022 7:46:33 GMT -5
#2 overall WORST pick overall ….. Drumrole ( cutter Coffey- Boston Red Sox) More than a few eyebrows were raised when the Boston Red Sox reached for Nick Yorke in the first round of the 2020 draft, and now he's a Top 100 prospect. The issue here is that the Red Sox reached not once, but twice, for high school infielders ranked well below their draft slot on predraft rankings: -No. 24 overall pick SS Mikey Romero (No. 65 on MLB.com, No. 54 on Baseball America) -No. 41 overall pick SS Cutter Coffey (No. 105 on MLB.com, No. 65 on Baseball America) Pairing one of those early reaches with a safer college pitcher would have been a balanced approach, especially for a team with a shortage of quality arms in the pipeline. Will the Red Sox make the industry rankings look silly once again? ———- So not only did Red Sox make second worst pick as ranked by bleacher report but they are going OVER slot to do so! Yeah I can see why some people grumble a bit. Let’s hope the people being paid by Sox are in fact smarter than others because that’s the only way this is a win! syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10042405-2022-mlb-draft-grades-best-and-worst-picks-from-sunday-results.amp.htmlI will quite confidently proclaim that 90% of people on this board can write something better regarding the MLB draft than bleacher report.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 18, 2022 7:57:48 GMT -5
#2 overall WORST pick overall ….. Drumrole ( cutter Coffey- Boston Red Sox) More than a few eyebrows were raised when the Boston Red Sox reached for Nick Yorke in the first round of the 2020 draft, and now he's a Top 100 prospect. The issue here is that the Red Sox reached not once, but twice, for high school infielders ranked well below their draft slot on predraft rankings: -No. 24 overall pick SS Mikey Romero (No. 65 on MLB.com, No. 54 on Baseball America) -No. 41 overall pick SS Cutter Coffey (No. 105 on MLB.com, No. 65 on Baseball America) Pairing one of those early reaches with a safer college pitcher would have been a balanced approach, especially for a team with a shortage of quality arms in the pipeline. Will the Red Sox make the industry rankings look silly once again? ———- So not only did Red Sox make second worst pick as ranked by bleacher report but they are going OVER slot to do so! Yeah I can see why some people grumble a bit. Let’s hope the people being paid by Sox are in fact smarter than others because that’s the only way this is a win! syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10042405-2022-mlb-draft-grades-best-and-worst-picks-from-sunday-results.amp.htmlWho cares. They gave our 2020 pick a D- How did that turn out? Bleacher report is a joke. And not what it once was.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 18, 2022 7:58:07 GMT -5
I found it interesting that BA's write up, mentioned Coffey recognizes spin well for a prep hitter. They were the highest on Coffey. W Law's reports, his comment about terrible competition is what it is, but he also performed very well at the combine and gained significant helium. His year to year gains/improvement impress me and had he made it to campus, would have been a legit 2 way guy for UT. Taking that projectability and athleticism is something I always like, sort of fits the age model too, having just turned 18 at the end of May. Has anyone seen a decent draft tracker showing ages? The main ones I can see aren't showing them. Or do I need to go back into mocks/top rankings to find them? This one has their DOBs
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Post by incandenza on Jul 18, 2022 7:59:34 GMT -5
I'm glad the Red Sox tend to diverge from the public ranking consensus. Clearly they're confident in their own evaluations. And when you're making a longshot bet (which is every baseball draft pick past like the top 10 of the first round) it makes sense to gamble. There's no such thing as a "safe pick" at their draft positions.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 18, 2022 8:26:41 GMT -5
I don’t get the winging about the Romero pick. Even among the guys who do the rankings the consensus was that guys 20-65 were basically interchangeable, the Red Sox took someone in that range who it sounds like will sign underslot. It doesn’t even really seem like a reach to me. And I really love that he and Mayer are besties.
With the MLB draft more than anything else I feel we sort of have to trust the team, especially with prep guys. Obviously the Coffee write ups aren’t glowing, but still somehow these publications have him ranked top 100? I liked the idea of Prielipp but like he could easily never make it above A ball. Loved the thought of Rocker, but he went 3rd overall. The mocks know far less than the teams.
My reaction is I’m excited to have a few new talented players to root for, generally the team has done well the past couple years at picking hitters, and we’ll see what happens.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 18, 2022 8:48:30 GMT -5
After sleeping on it, feeling very good about the Roman Anthony pick (even if he's just a corner OF, the swing and power seem like very bettable traits for a high school hitter), much better about the Romero pick (hard to complain about a premium position guy with a good hit tool), and moderately worse about the Coffey pick (though a lot of this is in hindsight with the Anthony pick making him redundant from a distribution of assets standpoint).
Overall, a solid first day. The GCL team is going to be really fun.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 18, 2022 8:52:03 GMT -5
I want to make my annual point that:
A) Makeup is equally important as tools
B) At best the rankings sites have a vague sense of makeup; once you get past the elite guys, it's probably zilch
C) The Sox have an organizational history of attending to makeup and getting it right.
(new this year) D) There's reason to believe that not every team gets this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2022 8:53:21 GMT -5
It's hard for me to evaluate the draft. I know I was certainly excited when Mayer fell into the Red Sox' lap at 4 last year.
This year, I really don't know. I'm certainly no expert. All I can do is offer an uneducated opinion based on what I've read.
It seems to me the Sox picked up a future 2b with the ability to hit for some batting average but probably not much power. I don't know that he's better than Yorke as a hitter although I suspect he's a better fielder. Perhaps Yorke winds up in LF down the road?
Anthony is an interesting pick and they certainly need power hitting outfielders. Of course, who knows if he can get to his power in games? I'd say he's probably a less sure thing than a college outfielder which they passed up. They also passed up that pitcher with an injury history. Don't know if that was the right move or not. A lot of the "sexier" names were off the board by time the Sox picked (although I wonder what the deal with Brock Jones was).
What concerns me most about the draft was the gamble on Coffey, the spending big dollars for a guy who sounds like he has kind of a similar profile to Bobby Dalbec.
I mean we can say the Sox are the experts on this and perhaps they are as it remains to be seen, but then again aren't there "experts" on the other 29 teams as well and they certainly picked differently - I'd guess some better and some worse, but at this point who the hell really knows?
The Sox might have picked a future batting champ, a power hitting 3b, and a power hitting outfielder that impacts the future Red Sox or three guys who didn't amount to much or most likely something in between. Again, who the hell knows? Since we're all opinionated creatures, my guess is that Romero hits for a decent average in the majors some days and winds up at 2b next to his buddy Mayer, although I have no idea what that means for Yorke - I'm guessing that he winds up in LF?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 18, 2022 8:59:45 GMT -5
I want to make my annual point that:
A) Makeup is equally important as tools
B) At best the rankings sites have a vague sense of makeup; once you get past the elite guys, it's probably zilch
C) The Sox have an organizational history of attending to makeup and getting it right.
(new this year) D) There's reason to believe that not every team gets this.
This is probably why I'm most excited about the Romero pick - he seems like an off-the-charts makeup guy
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 18, 2022 9:03:25 GMT -5
Perhaps this is much too simplistic way to look at it but the first two picks are almost reminiscent of the Yorke/Blaze 1-2 pick from a few years back. Romeros scouting sounds sort of similar to Yorke in the hit tool being his calling card. Coffey with the plus raw power. Obviously it's not an exact comparison but kind of the way it strikes me as I look at it a day removed from the picks.
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Post by southcoastghost on Jul 18, 2022 9:05:02 GMT -5
I think it's okay to recognize that we have preferences as fans when it comes to the types of players we like and the pundits we listen to the most, while also knowing that these teams have a ton more resources to pour into it than any individual or publication. Both things can be true at the same time.
I liked Coffey coming into yesterday but didn't think he'd need an overslot bonus at 41, so that tempers my enthusiasm. I'll be curious to see what other players such as Toman get. And Romero's burgeoning power output towards the end of his season is good to see, as a lot of the write ups mentioned a lower ceiling due to that.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 18, 2022 9:36:17 GMT -5
I want to make my annual point that:
A) Makeup is equally important as tools
B) At best the rankings sites have a vague sense of makeup; once you get past the elite guys, it's probably zilch
C) The Sox have an organizational history of attending to makeup and getting it right.
(new this year) D) There's reason to believe that not every team gets this.
Kahlil Watson from last year exhibit A
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Post by incandenza on Jul 18, 2022 9:47:00 GMT -5
I want to make my annual point that:
A) Makeup is equally important as tools
B) At best the rankings sites have a vague sense of makeup; once you get past the elite guys, it's probably zilch
C) The Sox have an organizational history of attending to makeup and getting it right.
(new this year) D) There's reason to believe that not every team gets this.
Kahlil Watson from last year exhibit A Yeah, though also maybe exhibit A about how "makeup" can be a hard thing to judge? I seem to recall him being lauded for exactly that prior to the draft. Maybe I'm misremembering, but this write-up is how I remember him being described: Maybe the teams have a deeper understanding of someone's makeup than baseball america, but how easy is it ever to judge, really?
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Post by jimgosger on Jul 18, 2022 9:50:55 GMT -5
Paul Toboni on Roman Anthony from Alex Spier's article in the morning Globe: “I think he’s a much, much better talent than [getting taken 79th] would indicate,” said Toboni. “He gets on base, he sees the ball well, but also [has] got tremendous, tremendous power potential. And that’s a pretty rare combination to find for a centerfielder.” They believe he can stick in CF.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 18, 2022 9:56:14 GMT -5
I want to make my annual point that:
A) Makeup is equally important as tools
B) At best the rankings sites have a vague sense of makeup; once you get past the elite guys, it's probably zilch
C) The Sox have an organizational history of attending to makeup and getting it right.
(new this year) D) There's reason to believe that not every team gets this.
So we should expect a few picks from the Cosmetology Academy?
Thanks everyone, I'll show myself out...
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 18, 2022 10:05:30 GMT -5
Where do you think we're at budget wise after day one? Romero under slot - 2,5M (?) Coffey, reportedly 'significantly' above slot - 2.2 M (?) Can't really see him get any more as an overdraft. Anthony, above slot? - 1.2M (?) Any guesses? Romero- $2.5 Coffey- $2 Roman- $1.5
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 18, 2022 10:12:10 GMT -5
Roman Anthony gives me Cody Bellinger vibes.
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