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8/16-8/18 Red Sox @ Pirates Series Thread
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Post by allenripley on Aug 18, 2022 20:02:22 GMT -5
Tough to get into it as a hitter when your starter spots the other team a touchdown. Wink is who we all thought he was — a nice AAAA emergency starter. Just another mediocre player who marginally elevates “system depth.”
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Post by benzinger on Aug 18, 2022 20:02:51 GMT -5
How come NESN is the only network that doesn’t have the strike box superimposed on the screen? That’s like the yellow first down line in football. It’s a must. There was a memo a month or so ago. They are leaning in to 4K and the box technology doesn't yet support 4K (supply chain issue actually) so they replay in HD with the box for close pitches Thank you for the answer. That is f’n stupid.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 18, 2022 20:17:05 GMT -5
Tying run is just one batter away from being in the hole!
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Post by station13 on Aug 18, 2022 20:18:42 GMT -5
Manny Banuelos? What year is it?
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 18, 2022 20:22:51 GMT -5
Manny Banuelos? What year is it? The year he can hang multiple slop sliders to our two best hitters and get away with it
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 18, 2022 20:33:14 GMT -5
Yeah batting practice for the pirates.
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Post by bigpapiortiz on Aug 18, 2022 20:34:18 GMT -5
Burn his arm out and drop him. He’s a bum
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 18, 2022 20:38:33 GMT -5
Chavis just doubled off Davis so does that mean we lost that trade? He just retired him does that mean the trade is a tie?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2022 20:44:33 GMT -5
Davis played the Darwinzon role well tonight. No matter what the results or the stats say, he just never looks good.
Well, that was that - what a totally depressing game. Total shit.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2022 20:48:04 GMT -5
Last thought on this - run differential is now -31. We are now worse than the White Sox - and may be able to catch the Angels soon. No way we can catch KC, Detroit or Oakland, though.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 18, 2022 20:48:12 GMT -5
Third series win in a row. 5-2 in their last 7. Things are looking up!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2022 20:50:03 GMT -5
Third series win in a row. 5-2 in their last 7. Things are looking up! I appreciate your positive spirit. Just can't share it!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2022 20:58:46 GMT -5
Devers .160 in August, Xander barely above .200, JD .180. If they don't heat up, the coming stretch of tough games could be brutal.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 18, 2022 21:00:40 GMT -5
At least with the way things are going in NY, Boston might catch them.
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Post by cdj on Aug 18, 2022 21:03:05 GMT -5
They need their best players to play like their best players and they simply aren’t. This nice stretch is basically on the backs of Verdugo and Arroyo and pitching
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 18, 2022 21:12:57 GMT -5
This team has given us hope on and off ever since the dud start in April. They've also crushed those hopes many times. This is what .500 teams do. Ladies and gentlemen, your 2022 Boston Red Sox.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 18, 2022 21:14:25 GMT -5
Comparison of some seasons after 119 games
2022 - 59-60 - chance of making playoffs 14% (538) 11.7% (Fangraphs) 15% (ESPN) 2021 - 68-51 2019 - 63-56 2018 - 84-35 2013 - 71-48 2007 - 72-47 2004 - 67-52
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 18, 2022 21:18:54 GMT -5
According to the team, Paxton is experiencing tightness in his left lat muscle and will be examined on Friday to determine the severity of the injury and what it means for his rehab. “Hopefully it’s something that’s mild, it’s nothing major, and just a few days down and then get back to it,” said manager Alex Cora. “But [I’m] a little bit down for him. I know he’s busted his butt to get to this point.” The timing of the injury is particularly disappointing given that Paxton had been showing a sharp arsenal — headlined by a fastball that reached the mid-90s — in the days preceding his rehab start. “He looked really good,” said chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom. “You could tell he was turning a corner a couple of weeks ago when it became more about his arsenal and pitching than how he felt, so it’s a bummer that he got roadblocked again.” Would the Sox consider exercising the two-year, $26 million option on Paxton if they don’t see him pitch in the big leagues this year? “I don’t want to get into that until we know where we’re at. Let’s see how we come out of [Friday’s exam],” said Bloom. “I think regardless, the [option] decision is at the end of the season so we’ll wait until then. But first things first, we have to see the severity of this injury and what the next steps are.” www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/18/sports/james-paxton-undergo-exam-after-suffering-tightness-his-left-lat-muscle-during-rehab-start/If he was throwing mid 90's they're picking up the option unless he needs surgery or something
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Post by cdj on Aug 18, 2022 21:23:57 GMT -5
Comparison of some seasons after 119 games 2022 - 59-60 - chance of making playoffs 14% (538) 11.7% (Fangraphs) 15% (ESPN) 2021 - 68-51 2019 - 63-56 2018 - 84-35 2013 - 71-48 2007 - 72-47 2004 - 67-52 2018 ❤️❤️
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 18, 2022 21:35:28 GMT -5
The thing that stands out to me is that it feels like when the Sox are down 5-0 in a game, they give up the next couple of runs and are down 8-0 and it's a blowout. On the other hand, when they get up 5-0, they give up the next couple runs and suddenly it's a save situation. They've got to be able to separate when up and steal games when down and they've done neither
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Post by manfred on Aug 18, 2022 22:00:42 GMT -5
According to the team, Paxton is experiencing tightness in his left lat muscle and will be examined on Friday to determine the severity of the injury and what it means for his rehab. “Hopefully it’s something that’s mild, it’s nothing major, and just a few days down and then get back to it,” said manager Alex Cora. “But [I’m] a little bit down for him. I know he’s busted his butt to get to this point.” The timing of the injury is particularly disappointing given that Paxton had been showing a sharp arsenal — headlined by a fastball that reached the mid-90s — in the days preceding his rehab start. “He looked really good,” said chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom. “You could tell he was turning a corner a couple of weeks ago when it became more about his arsenal and pitching than how he felt, so it’s a bummer that he got roadblocked again.” Would the Sox consider exercising the two-year, $26 million option on Paxton if they don’t see him pitch in the big leagues this year? “I don’t want to get into that until we know where we’re at. Let’s see how we come out of [Friday’s exam],” said Bloom. “I think regardless, the [option] decision is at the end of the season so we’ll wait until then. But first things first, we have to see the severity of this injury and what the next steps are.” www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/18/sports/james-paxton-undergo-exam-after-suffering-tightness-his-left-lat-muscle-during-rehab-start/If he was throwing mid 90's they're picking up the option unless he needs surgery or something No one doubts he’s good if he’s healthy. He just so rarely is. Do you want to bet he gives you 100 innings?
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Post by benzinger on Aug 19, 2022 9:01:22 GMT -5
According to the team, Paxton is experiencing tightness in his left lat muscle and will be examined on Friday to determine the severity of the injury and what it means for his rehab. “Hopefully it’s something that’s mild, it’s nothing major, and just a few days down and then get back to it,” said manager Alex Cora. “But [I’m] a little bit down for him. I know he’s busted his butt to get to this point.” The timing of the injury is particularly disappointing given that Paxton had been showing a sharp arsenal — headlined by a fastball that reached the mid-90s — in the days preceding his rehab start. “He looked really good,” said chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom. “You could tell he was turning a corner a couple of weeks ago when it became more about his arsenal and pitching than how he felt, so it’s a bummer that he got roadblocked again.” Would the Sox consider exercising the two-year, $26 million option on Paxton if they don’t see him pitch in the big leagues this year? “I don’t want to get into that until we know where we’re at. Let’s see how we come out of [Friday’s exam],” said Bloom. “I think regardless, the [option] decision is at the end of the season so we’ll wait until then. But first things first, we have to see the severity of this injury and what the next steps are.” www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/18/sports/james-paxton-undergo-exam-after-suffering-tightness-his-left-lat-muscle-during-rehab-start/If he was throwing mid 90's they're picking up the option unless he needs surgery or something This was a horrible signing and, unfortunately, we all saw it coming. Paxton isn’t even that good when he is healthy(which he never is). Bloom lit a pile of money on fire for this guy in a season where there was a cash crunch with the roster. Now he’s basically forced to double-down and pick up Paxton’s option to justify the original expenditure. Hill was a waste of money too. They could have signed much better options with all that cash.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 19, 2022 9:21:11 GMT -5
According to the team, Paxton is experiencing tightness in his left lat muscle and will be examined on Friday to determine the severity of the injury and what it means for his rehab. “Hopefully it’s something that’s mild, it’s nothing major, and just a few days down and then get back to it,” said manager Alex Cora. “But [I’m] a little bit down for him. I know he’s busted his butt to get to this point.” The timing of the injury is particularly disappointing given that Paxton had been showing a sharp arsenal — headlined by a fastball that reached the mid-90s — in the days preceding his rehab start. “He looked really good,” said chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom. “You could tell he was turning a corner a couple of weeks ago when it became more about his arsenal and pitching than how he felt, so it’s a bummer that he got roadblocked again.” Would the Sox consider exercising the two-year, $26 million option on Paxton if they don’t see him pitch in the big leagues this year? “I don’t want to get into that until we know where we’re at. Let’s see how we come out of [Friday’s exam],” said Bloom. “I think regardless, the [option] decision is at the end of the season so we’ll wait until then. But first things first, we have to see the severity of this injury and what the next steps are.” www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/18/sports/james-paxton-undergo-exam-after-suffering-tightness-his-left-lat-muscle-during-rehab-start/If he was throwing mid 90's they're picking up the option unless he needs surgery or something This was a horrible signing and, unfortunately, we all saw it coming. Paxton isn’t even that good when he is healthy(which he never is). Bloom lit a pile of money on fire for this guy in a season where there was a cash crunch with the roster. Now he’s basically forced to double-down and pick up Paxton’s option to justify the original expenditure. Hill was a waste of money too. They could have signed much better options with all that cash. I don't know what your qualifications are for "good" but to me Paxton when healthy is a very good pitcher. He's a career 3.59 ERA pitcher, which I know ERA doesn't tell all the facts but that's pretty dang good. So overall I disagree that it was a horrible signing, it hasn't worked out and looks like it may not work out overall but it was a calculated low risk/high reward move that at the time I could understand and I was all for. I also disagree that he's "forced" to double down, as he absolutely is not. He can pretty easily decline the option and wash his hands of the move if they decide Paxton won't be healthy for 2023. I'm not saying they couldn't have signed someone else with the money on Hill and Paxton but if you want to say they could have signed "much" better options with the cash spent on Hill and Paxton, tell me who that would have been?
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Post by manfred on Aug 19, 2022 9:28:00 GMT -5
This was a horrible signing and, unfortunately, we all saw it coming. Paxton isn’t even that good when he is healthy(which he never is). Bloom lit a pile of money on fire for this guy in a season where there was a cash crunch with the roster. Now he’s basically forced to double-down and pick up Paxton’s option to justify the original expenditure. Hill was a waste of money too. They could have signed much better options with all that cash. I don't know what your qualifications are for "good" but to me Paxton when healthy is a very good pitcher. He's a career 3.59 ERA pitcher, which I know ERA doesn't tell all the facts but that's pretty dang good. So overall I disagree that it was a horrible signing, it hasn't worked out and looks like it may not work out overall but it was a calculated low risk/high reward move that at the time I could understand and I was all for. I also disagree that he's "forced" to double down, as he absolutely is not. He can pretty easily decline the option and wash his hands of the move if they decide Paxton won't be healthy for 2023. I'm not saying they couldn't have signed someone else with the money on Hill and Paxton but if you want to say they could have signed "much" better options with the cash spent on Hill and Paxton, tell me who that would have been? This is the go to argument: yes, it wasn’t a very good move, but what would you have done? Well, none of us get paid to run the team. But step one would be *not* sign Paxton. Take his salary out, and we are just about at the tax line. So the Sox will now need to reset later for the honor of providing Paxton a year of medical care. Hard to defend.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 19, 2022 9:49:17 GMT -5
I don't know what your qualifications are for "good" but to me Paxton when healthy is a very good pitcher. He's a career 3.59 ERA pitcher, which I know ERA doesn't tell all the facts but that's pretty dang good. So overall I disagree that it was a horrible signing, it hasn't worked out and looks like it may not work out overall but it was a calculated low risk/high reward move that at the time I could understand and I was all for. I also disagree that he's "forced" to double down, as he absolutely is not. He can pretty easily decline the option and wash his hands of the move if they decide Paxton won't be healthy for 2023. I'm not saying they couldn't have signed someone else with the money on Hill and Paxton but if you want to say they could have signed "much" better options with the cash spent on Hill and Paxton, tell me who that would have been? This is the go to argument: yes, it wasn’t a very good move, but what would you have done? Well, none of us get paid to run the team. But step one would be *not* sign Paxton. Take his salary out, and we are just about at the tax line. So the Sox will now need to reset later for the honor of providing Paxton a year of medical care. Hard to defend. Everyone will have their thoughts on it and like I said in hindsight it hasn't worked out, doesn't seem like it is going to but I very much disagree it is hard to defend the signing. To me it was a low risk/high reward move. If it had worked out they get a number 3 starter for about half the price that they go for. If they cared about getting under the tax line they could have done it at the deadline. They obviously don't so I'm not concerned with the tax line. Also who knows maybe it still will work out. From the reports he was throwing mid 90s and had some good stuff in his bullpens. Unfortunately he quickly got hurt in his first rehab start but it's a lat injury and not his arm again so he very well could be available come spring time. I wouldn't bet on it happening but you never know.
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