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Patriots 2022 Season Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2022 7:49:26 GMT -5
It seems as if the trends for the defenses the last few years has been to fade late versus before it was always keep building and peak late…. My problem with the team is there seems to be zero top end talent on it right now. It’s a roster with a lot of solid NFL guys but outside of Barmore, Duggar and Judon, who all have holes in their game which really make them not great 3 down players, who even has an elite skill on defense?
Can say the same thing on offense, there are no elite players anywhere.
My hope for this year is we progress from Mac thru the season and a bunch of these young guys actually establish themselves as good cheaper players and hopefully some pop as more than that. Then they spend their money wisely to fill in and get a couple elite players.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 25, 2022 15:02:09 GMT -5
This was not a good day on both sides of the ball. Mac should have had at least 4 picks. I learned Baltimore isn't very good on defense. If Baltimore and Green Bay were the test, they failed the first one. Which is weird given it was a close game for much of the day.
Garbage day. Just absolutely garbage and now Mac looks like he got hurt.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2022 15:49:58 GMT -5
This is where the regular season game comments belong.
I listened to most of the second half.
Yuck.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 25, 2022 16:06:45 GMT -5
Caveat: dont get to actually watch games as I'm out of market. I'm not seeing the Mac processing that was supposed to be his calling card. So many forced passes and missed opportunities.
Bleak times right now across all the teams. Hoping the Celtics can overcome the offseasn noise and be contenders again.
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Post by cdj on Sept 25, 2022 20:48:03 GMT -5
If it’s a high ankle sprain for Mac then the season is pretty much over
Had ravens -2.5, that line was a joke
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Post by marrcus on Sept 25, 2022 20:56:31 GMT -5
There was a lot not to like out there today in this winnable game. But the TD pass to the TE from L.Jackson was a great example of the Pats instructing their DB corps to face-guard playing the receiver and not the ball.
I think the pass to the end zone --which was not a good one-- ended up hitting McCourty's neck. He should have knocked it down or maybe even got the int but you can't do that if you have no idea where the ball is! It was a great catch having to pull the ball over McCourty's shoulders. But it cost the Pats the game.
I also think not drafting Lamar J was maybe the biggest mistake in Pats draft history. They needed a QB and while I am not a fan of his style, no one can deny his tremendous ability to move an offense. He was a 2nd rd pick who Bill could have got while still probably retaining his 1st. Or even used his first if he had to. But they should have got this guy.
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Post by xdmo on Sept 25, 2022 22:09:59 GMT -5
If it’s a high ankle sprain for Mac then the season is pretty much over Had ravens -2.5, that line was a joke www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRmeMH65/Initial reaction from Mac Jones, isn't great.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 26, 2022 7:42:18 GMT -5
If it’s a high ankle sprain for Mac then the season is pretty much over Had ravens -2.5, that line was a joke www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRmeMH65/Initial reaction from Mac Jones, isn't great. They weren't winning next week anyways against GB. I don't think you were going to beat the Brown and I think you can beat the Bears with Hoyer. That just leaves the Lions and their surprisingly high scoring offense.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 26, 2022 8:20:28 GMT -5
I'm flipping this: Time to go for CJ Stroud! (kidding. A little. Half. Kind of).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2022 11:13:16 GMT -5
It's just a shame because for me that was Mac Jones breakout game, he did things I've never seen before. Finally starting to get chemistry with Parker. Using his feet more than I've ever seen, even that 2 point conversion that didn't count. A young QB will have interceptions as his pushes the boundaries. The negativity is crazy, Mac Jones has more passing ability than Lamar Lackson and its not close.
The D was the issue for a large part of that game, letting Jackson dink and dunk his way down the field. They used the aggressive D against them. You really missed Duggar and you still need that fast athletic LB to take it to the next level.
Agholor fumble just absolutely killed us. That's the 2nd time in 3 games a fumble by him killed us.
Like I said it’s a shame because if not for the injury which is likely taking Mac out for weeks if not months I'd be very excited going forward.
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Post by dcb26 on Sept 26, 2022 12:27:25 GMT -5
It's just a shame because for me that was Mac Jones breakout game, he did things I've never seen before. Finally starting to get chemistry with Parker. Using his feet more than I've ever seen, even that 2 point conversion that didn't count. A young QB will have interceptions as his pushes the boundaries. The negativity is crazy, Mac Jones has more passing ability than Lamar Lackson and its not close. The D was the issue for a large part of that game, letting Jackson dink and dunk his way down the field. They used the aggressive D against them. You really missed Duggar and you still need that fast athletic LB to take it to the next level. Agholor fumble just absolutely killed us. That's the 2nd time in 3 games a fumble by him killed us. Like I said it’s a shame because if not for the injury which is likely taking Mac out for weeks if not months I'd be very excited going forward. I agree with almost all of this. I thought it may have been a good thing for the offense, and Jones especially, to be without Meyers and have to do something different. Jones did a lot of things well and you have to expect the interceptions and the like as he evolves - growing and making some bad plays has me a lot more optimistic for his potential than continuing to play ultra-safe. I would like to see them run (a lot) more. The right side of the OL looks very bad to my completely untrained eyes and maybe that's part of the issue? If there's a positive to Jones missing some time I'm hoping it's a focus on getting the running game back to where it should be, as the focus of the offense.
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Post by cdj on Sept 26, 2022 14:01:55 GMT -5
They used Dugger to spy Lamar last time they played, no Dugger and voila- Lamar plays really well
Agreed w/ Umass that Mac did in fact show some encouraging stuff. He was attacking down the field and he had success doing it. He was making plays with his feet. He just got carried away at times and made 4 very bad decisions. Ravens made him pay on 3 of them.
We need to remember that they were ultra conservative with him last year. This is the first time he’s being asked to get aggressive and there are some growing pains. All part of QB development.
I wouldn’t hate Lamar as QB either though, he’s a beast and I think he has improved as a passer (still a much better runner though)
Also plz for the love of god play Kendrick Bourne more snaps, I get that he’s a better blocker but Humphrey has zero business playing more than twice the snaps Bourne did. Patricia shouldn’t be allowed to have dog house, he’s not a good enough coach to warrant having one. He missed an offensive meeting a month and a half ago, gtf over it and put the guys on the field who give you the best chance to win. God.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 26, 2022 15:25:21 GMT -5
They used Dugger to spy Lamar last time they played, no Dugger and voila- Lamar plays really well Agreed w/ Umass that Mac did in fact show some encouraging stuff. He was attacking down the field and he had success doing it. He was making plays with his feet. He just got carried away at times and made 4 very bad decisions. Ravens made him pay on 3 of them. We need to remember that they were ultra conservative with him last year. This is the first time he’s being asked to get aggressive and there are some growing pains. All part of QB development. I wouldn’t hate Lamar as QB either though, he’s a beast and I think he has improved as a passer (still a much better runner though) Also plz for the love of god play Kendrick Bourne more snaps, I get that he’s a better blocker but Humphrey has zero business playing more than twice the snaps Bourne did. Patricia shouldn’t be allowed to have dog house, he’s not a good enough coach to warrant having one. He missed an offensive meeting a month and a half ago, gtf over it and put the guys on the field who give you the best chance to win. God. The one concern I have is that quick decision making should be his strength. Baltimore also has a very, very poor pass defense, but poor or not, we rarely have seen Mac attack a defense like that which is good. He just has to be good at making those quick decisions because this was a very winnable game he and Nelson Agholor lost for them. Obviously, if the defense didn't get shredded they would have won as well. I feel this is a game Herbert, Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen wins. Hopefully the injury isn't substantial so he can show he can throw consistently and clean up the picks with better decision making.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 26, 2022 19:06:31 GMT -5
Humphreys and Bourne are different players asked to do different things. Lil Jordan is really a 3rd TE guven how they use him.
If you want Bourne to play more than Humphreys, you are actually saying you want the Pats to run less.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 26, 2022 19:06:49 GMT -5
They used Dugger to spy Lamar last time they played, no Dugger and voila- Lamar plays really well Agreed w/ Umass that Mac did in fact show some encouraging stuff. He was attacking down the field and he had success doing it. He was making plays with his feet. He just got carried away at times and made 4 very bad decisions. Ravens made him pay on 3 of them. We need to remember that they were ultra conservative with him last year. This is the first time he’s being asked to get aggressive and there are some growing pains. All part of QB development. I wouldn’t hate Lamar as QB either though, he’s a beast and I think he has improved as a passer (still a much better runner though) Also plz for the love of god play Kendrick Bourne more snaps, I get that he’s a better blocker but Humphrey has zero business playing more than twice the snaps Bourne did. Patricia shouldn’t be allowed to have dog house, he’s not a good enough coach to warrant having one. He missed an offensive meeting a month and a half ago, gtf over it and put the guys on the field who give you the best chance to win. God. The one concern I have is that quick decision making should be his strength. Baltimore also has a very, very poor pass defense, but poor or not, we rarely have seen Mac attack a defense like that which is good. He just has to be good at making those quick decisions because this was a very winnable game he and Nelson Agholor lost for them. Obviously, if the defense didn't get shredded they would have won as well. I feel this is a game Herbert, Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen wins. Hopefully the injury isn't substantial so he can show he can throw consistently and clean up the picks with better decision making. Fun Fact: those QBs put up: 10, 20, 12, 14, 19 points, respectively. Mac, despite numerous errors, put up 26. Btw, Balt D, while not great, did get back a couple of starters this week. And 1st full week for Peters. Humphrey & Bourne don't play same position. Plus he was more solution than problem. Had Mac cut a couple of turnovers they score 40. With Humphrey. Why are we propagating talk radio rumors about late for a meeting = permanent doghouse? It's illogical. BB's about logical.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 26, 2022 19:28:44 GMT -5
The one concern I have is that quick decision making should be his strength. Baltimore also has a very, very poor pass defense, but poor or not, we rarely have seen Mac attack a defense like that which is good. He just has to be good at making those quick decisions because this was a very winnable game he and Nelson Agholor lost for them. Obviously, if the defense didn't get shredded they would have won as well. I feel this is a game Herbert, Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen wins. Hopefully the injury isn't substantial so he can show he can throw consistently and clean up the picks with better decision making. Fun Fact: those QBs put up: 10, 20, 12, 14, 19 points, respectively. Mac, despite numerous errors, put up 26. Btw, Balt D, while not great, did get back a couple of starters this week. And 1st full week for Peters. Humphrey & Bourne don't play same position. Plus he was more solution than problem. Had Mac cut a couple of turnovers they score 40. With Humphrey. Why are we propagating talk radio rumors about late for a meeting = permanent doghouse? It's illogical. BB's about logical. Herbert's ribs I believe are a mess. I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about Baltimore's roster, but from what I understand they were pretty bad last year against the pass too. Maybe it's a logical fallacy to just say, "they would win", but these kinds of games they have shown they can win, whereas Mac has yet to do so and needs to show it. Rodgers had an OK game, Brady was pretty good. Herbert as mentioned is playing hurt. Mahomes should be embarrassed about losing to the Colts and if it were anyone other than the Buccaneers I would have felt sorry for whomever came next. I suspect that game was a bit of a "trap game". This isn't commentary of, "Mac sucks". Just what needs to happen for him to be in the Herbert category (though his star has been dimming somewhat lately) and not the Kirk Cousin category.
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Post by cdj on Sept 26, 2022 19:40:29 GMT -5
The one concern I have is that quick decision making should be his strength. Baltimore also has a very, very poor pass defense, but poor or not, we rarely have seen Mac attack a defense like that which is good. He just has to be good at making those quick decisions because this was a very winnable game he and Nelson Agholor lost for them. Obviously, if the defense didn't get shredded they would have won as well. I feel this is a game Herbert, Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Allen wins. Hopefully the injury isn't substantial so he can show he can throw consistently and clean up the picks with better decision making. Fun Fact: those QBs put up: 10, 20, 12, 14, 19 points, respectively. Mac, despite numerous errors, put up 26. Btw, Balt D, while not great, did get back a couple of starters this week. And 1st full week for Peters. Humphrey & Bourne don't play same position. Plus he was more solution than problem. Had Mac cut a couple of turnovers they score 40. With Humphrey. Why are we propagating talk radio rumors about late for a meeting = permanent doghouse? It's illogical. BB's about logical. It’s not a rumor, from what I recall it’s been reported to have happened by people who aren’t sports radio (herald reporter). I do not listen to sports radio and think it panders to the lowest common denominator so I resent that. Do you think he’s not playing because of talent? Because if so then I have major questions about their talent evaluation ability. He’s the 2nd best receiver on the team and actually can create with the ball in his hands. He missed a meeting with the niners so it’s not like he’s above that Nobody said he’s in a permanent doghouse but are you going to make the argument he hasn’t been in one?
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 26, 2022 19:50:38 GMT -5
Watching from the stadium always gives me a different perspective.
I thought Mac was looking great for most of the game to be honest. The interception in the endzone was awful and a dagger, but he's still raw in terms of decision-making with people in his face. I couldn't tell if he made the right decision and didn't have the arm strength (as he threw off his back foot) or he actually tried to complete that pass, hopefully it was the former.
He threw some beautiful balls. The missed PI call was a perfect throw and his other long balls were dropped right in to the receiver's hands. A couple of times they were just slightly underthrown and the defender was able to catch up, but for the most part his throws were good and he was not throwing off his back foot.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 26, 2022 19:54:19 GMT -5
Read some that suggested the EZ int was somewhat on Parker too..
Mac calls audible at line. Some wrs acknowledge the change but Parker doesn't and throws his hands in the air like "what happened" after the play.
Possible miscommunication by him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2022 21:37:51 GMT -5
I watched on YouTube, Mac changed play, then changed it back. Play one Parker back of end zone jump ball, play two Parker screens for RB underneath.
So it was Parker, yet also why is Mac changing play once what Parker got, then changing it back to original play? All part of new offense I guess, yet that's just setting up things for mistakes. He's struggling reading D quickly within this offense. Overthinking things rather than just reacting, all parts of a new offense with a 2nd year QB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2022 10:23:31 GMT -5
I wish we knew how long he's going to be out, a few games Hoyer might make sense. Yet 8 games like some reports suggest and I'd rather see Zappe. The last time Hoyer played he was a disaster. It's a new offense so it's not even like he knows more and has more experience. It's been a long time since Hoyer was good in an NFL game.
Getting a high pick and high picks in all rounds isn't a bad thing. It might actually be just what this team needs.
If Mac misses a bunch of time let's play the long game.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 27, 2022 15:15:26 GMT -5
I wish we knew how long he's going to be out, a few games Hoyer might make sense. Yet 8 games like some reports suggest and I'd rather see Zappe. The last time Hoyer played he was a disaster. It's a new offense so it's not even like he knows more and has more experience. It's been a long time since Hoyer was good in an NFL game. Getting a high pick and high picks in all rounds isn't a bad thing. It might actually be just what this team needs. If Mac misses a bunch of time let's play the long game. Umass also this offseason I think they reset the money 60 plus million. Not that this helps now but I hope they get a dependable tackle and Wynn can go find another team.
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Post by costpet on Sept 27, 2022 17:42:08 GMT -5
The line this week is GB favored by 10 1/2. That's probably too low. Blah
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2022 18:17:05 GMT -5
I wish we knew how long he's going to be out, a few games Hoyer might make sense. Yet 8 games like some reports suggest and I'd rather see Zappe. The last time Hoyer played he was a disaster. It's a new offense so it's not even like he knows more and has more experience. It's been a long time since Hoyer was good in an NFL game. Getting a high pick and high picks in all rounds isn't a bad thing. It might actually be just what this team needs. If Mac misses a bunch of time let's play the long game. Umass also this offseason I think they reset the money 60 plus million. Not that this helps now but I hope they get a dependable tackle and Wynn can go find another team. It sounds good to you realize Bill likely takes an OT in the first over the impact defender or WR this team needs to become elite.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2022 18:23:24 GMT -5
The line this week is GB favored by 10 1/2. That's probably too low. Blah I like the matchup, with Mac Jones we could win. The Packers WR core is a mess, my Boy Doubs is their #1 as a rookie. Watkins out for year, Cobb and Watson are questionable. New Jersey betting line is plus 400, if I was closer I'd gamble a $100 at 4 to 1 odd getting 10.5. Teams always have that spark a game after their starter goes down. GB offense has been sluggish and with those injuries. Likely a good thing there's no local places to bet legally near me.
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