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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 15, 2023 21:00:16 GMT -5
If my man Ceddanne is slashing .278/.324/.500 after 71 games in Worcester (those were his numbers in Portland last year), I have a feeling my man Duran's seat is going to start feeling a little hot if he's not matching those numbers in Boston.
I think it's more likely that Rafaela struggles early at the plate but if he excels, I don't think they'll base their decisions on his rookie status. If he's good enough to be thinking 6 years down the line, I would hope that they let his play decide where he goes and lock him up on an extension at some point over the next couple years to make the years of control academic.
Even if Rafaela is hitting well, unless he's setting the world on fire he's not coming up to MLB and losing a year of eligibility early. After 71 games in Worcester they'd be foolish to bring him up so early as to lose a year of service time even if he is hitting well at that point. I'm also relatively bullish on Yoshida/Duvall/Verdugo (with Hernandez, Refsnyder and Tapia or Allen mixing in), but even if you aren't it's an uphill battle for him to start over any of that group and for him to do it so quickly that he loses prospect status for next year would be super surprising to me. Agree to disagree.
If CR's bat and glove are both ready to contribute to the big club, he switches places with Duran (or Goodrum or whoever else is the 26th man). Chaim is more motivated to win now and save his own job than preserve CR's eligibility for his successor (or his successor's successor). Also, I think Duvall and Refsnyder are injury risks (giving CR more PT) and CR is already on the 40-man, whereas Allen and Tapia aren't. That last point will matter even more when Story is ready.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 15, 2023 21:41:29 GMT -5
Even if Rafaela is hitting well, unless he's setting the world on fire he's not coming up to MLB and losing a year of eligibility early. After 71 games in Worcester they'd be foolish to bring him up so early as to lose a year of service time even if he is hitting well at that point. I'm also relatively bullish on Yoshida/Duvall/Verdugo (with Hernandez, Refsnyder and Tapia or Allen mixing in), but even if you aren't it's an uphill battle for him to start over any of that group and for him to do it so quickly that he loses prospect status for next year would be super surprising to me. Agree to disagree.
If CR's bat and glove are both ready to contribute to the big club, he switches places with Duran (or Goodrum or whoever else is the 26th man). Chaim is more motivated to win now and save his own job than preserve CR's eligibility for his successor (or his successor's successor). Also, I think Duvall and Refsnyder are injury risks (giving CR more PT) and CR is already on the 40-man, whereas Allen and Tapia aren't. That last point will matter even more when Story is ready. You might be right about Rafaela’s path, but you speak on Chaim’s motivations with way more certainty than you should.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 16, 2023 2:07:47 GMT -5
1) Marcelo Mayer 2) Miguel Bleis 3) Luis Perales 4) Eddison Paulino 5) Kevin McGonigle
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Post by jmei on Feb 16, 2023 6:59:13 GMT -5
1) Marcelo Mayer 2) Miguel Bleis 3) Luis Perales 4) Eddison Paulino 5) Kevin McGonigle
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 16, 2023 8:22:28 GMT -5
1.) Marcelo Mayer 2.) Miguel Bleis 3.) Cedanne Rafaela 4.) Mickey Romero 5.) Mason Auer
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 16, 2023 15:34:07 GMT -5
1. Marcelo Mayer 2. Ceddanne Rafaela 3. Nick Yorke 4. Matthew Lugo 5. Miguel Bleis
The industry as a whole seems to be confident enough in Mayer that it's hard to see him shift back without an offensive collapse. Rafaela seems to be a 45 now, given his skillset, so even slight adjustments/improvements in plate patience should shift his projection to 55+. Yorke crushed it in the AFL - a lot of volatility, but if he keeps it up, he moves up. I think Lugo's 2022 season and subsequent .275/.360/.450 line in the Puerto Rican League, where the average batting line was .221/.309/.301, is being slept on. Bleis has all of the tools - he either skyrockets to being a Ken Griffey/A-Rod like prospect or he falls to Earth and works his way through his current shortcomings, I'm not betting on the former given the rarity of those players.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 22, 2023 18:30:08 GMT -5
1. Miguel Bleis 2. Marcelo Mayor 3. Ceddanne Rafaela 4. Noah Song 5. Luis Perales
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Post by wOBA Fett on Oct 6, 2023 22:14:40 GMT -5
1) Mayer 2) Bleis 3) Blaze Jordon 4) Roman Anthony 5) Luis Perales Close, but haters gonna hate on Blaze
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Post by nomar on Oct 7, 2023 10:20:23 GMT -5
1) Mayer 2) Bleis 3) Blaze Jordon 4) Roman Anthony 5) Luis Perales Close, but haters gonna hate on Blaze Conversely Romero was everyone’s flavor of the week despite having zero plus tools. When you draft a HS SS people always dream, but I thought that was funny all offseason. Romero has a low ceiling. I didn’t care that they drafted him because they got Anthony later, but Romero was a really lackluster pick in the first round from the jump as someone who spends way too much time looking into draft prospects. He’s going into the Deven Marrero bucket IMO (and idk that he’ll make it as far).
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 7, 2023 10:32:23 GMT -5
Close, but haters gonna hate on Blaze Conversely Romero was everyone’s flavor of the week despite having zero plus tools. When you draft a HS SS people always dream, but I thought that was funny all offseason. Romero has a low ceiling. I didn’t care that they drafted him because they got Anthony later, but Romero was a really lackluster pick in the first round from the jump as someone who spends way too much time looking into draft prospects. He’s going into the Deven Marrero bucket IMO (and idk that he’ll make it as far). Congrats on your premature victory lap after what was effectively a lost year due to injury (also “zero plus tools” is an extremely narrow-minded way of approaching his prospect profile, but whatever).
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Post by nomar on Oct 7, 2023 10:41:17 GMT -5
Conversely Romero was everyone’s flavor of the week despite having zero plus tools. When you draft a HS SS people always dream, but I thought that was funny all offseason. Romero has a low ceiling. I didn’t care that they drafted him because they got Anthony later, but Romero was a really lackluster pick in the first round from the jump as someone who spends way too much time looking into draft prospects. He’s going into the Deven Marrero bucket IMO (and idk that he’ll make it as far). Congrats on your premature victory lap after what was effectively a lost year due to injury (also “zero plus tools” is an extremely narrow-minded way of approaching his prospect profile, but whatever). I’m not going to argue over this because I get that it was a hot take in which I’ll be the minority, but he doesn’t make a crazy amount of contact, doesn’t have much raw power, and isn’t a lock to even stick at SS. Call me an idiot when he proves otherwise.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 7, 2023 10:46:56 GMT -5
Congrats on your premature victory lap after what was effectively a lost year due to injury (also “zero plus tools” is an extremely narrow-minded way of approaching his prospect profile, but whatever). I’m not going to argue over this because I get that it was a hot take in which I’ll be the minority, but he doesn’t make a crazy amount of contact, doesn’t have much raw power, and isn’t a lock to even stick at SS. Call me an idiot when he proves otherwise. Skepticism is certainly a fair approach right now but the fact you feel comfortable making those declarations based on the size of the sample and the context surrounding it is completely bewildering to me.
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Post by nomar on Oct 7, 2023 10:48:08 GMT -5
I’m not going to argue over this because I get that it was a hot take in which I’ll be the minority, but he doesn’t make a crazy amount of contact, doesn’t have much raw power, and isn’t a lock to even stick at SS. Call me an idiot when he proves otherwise. Skepticism is certainly a fair approach right now but the fact you feel comfortable making those declarations based on the size of the sample and the context surrounding it is completely bewildering to me. It’s an opinion on one prospect so maybe take a breath and put that into perspective. There’s nothing to be bewildered over lol It’s not about the sample size of his data or anything it’s just a take which I already admitted was a hot one (and I certainly respect yours or any opinion to the contrary). Clearly you’re rubbed the wrong way by it, but it’s not a big deal and I hope I’m wrong anyway.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 7, 2023 13:40:58 GMT -5
1) Marcelo Mayer 2) Miguel Bleis 3) Luis Perales 4) Eddison Paulino 5) Kevin McGonigleThat clip has Conan O'Brien written all over it.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 7, 2023 13:44:46 GMT -5
Skepticism is certainly a fair approach right now but the fact you feel comfortable making those declarations based on the size of the sample and the context surrounding it is completely bewildering to me. It’s an opinion on one prospect so maybe take a breath and put that into perspective. There’s nothing to be bewildered over lol It’s not about the sample size of his data or anything it’s just a take which I already admitted was a hot one (and I certainly respect yours or any opinion to the contrary). Clearly you’re rubbed the wrong way by it, but it’s not a big deal and I hope I’m wrong anyway. Give it a rest, fellas. You're stealing wOBA Fett's thunder -- he correctly had Anthony instead of Romero in his top five.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 19, 2024 20:35:59 GMT -5
We don't seem to be very good at this....
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Post by wOBA Fett on Feb 19, 2024 20:46:04 GMT -5
We don't seem to be very good at this.... I had Anthony (not high enough). We'll start the 2025 prediction thread midway through spring training once we get some more reports from the Fort.
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Post by cdj on Feb 19, 2024 21:34:40 GMT -5
1) Mayer 2) Romero 3) Bleis 4) Yorke 5) Perales Sleeper to sneak into that 5th spot for me is Meidroth. I was very impressed with his debut last season. Woof
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 19, 2024 23:51:43 GMT -5
Moved the new stuff to a new thread.
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Post by imposdrm67 on Feb 25, 2024 8:12:07 GMT -5
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