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Bruins '23 Offseason Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Jun 27, 2023 14:59:28 GMT -5
A brand new example of underwater players needing retention/assets attached to them in order to move their deal
Kevin Hayes to STL at 50% retained for a 6th
THATS an underwater contract. Not Hall’s. Hall is still valuable at his contract. That is why we didn’t need to attach anything to him or retain. And that is why we actually got a piece back who will likely be on the roster helping the big club at some point, even if in a bottom-pairing role for cheap
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Post by homerdante on Jun 28, 2023 0:37:37 GMT -5
I'm not a huge hockey guy, yet giving Bertuzzi a big deal is basically giving Coyle and Hall big deals no? Hoping he matches his career year and the fact he improved for a short run after getting them? He misses a bunch of games. His injury history might make you pause a bit, yeah. From what I read, the injury last year many categorized as a fluke sort of hit by a deflection break of the wrist or something if I remember correctly. A lot of people are going to point at the fact that he's been on a bad Detroit team his entire career, and has still put up goals. His +/- certainly screams that. Most are keying in on his style of play, attitude, and chemistry with Pasternak (who unlike the Krecji-Hall chemistry is not getting broken up anytime soon--i.e. pasta going back to Europe to play like Krecji did), so you're banking on that chemistry you saw. I agree, it's a risk, even if he's 28. Sometimes it feels like Sweeney has never met sunk cost fallacy he doesn't want to hold onto for dear life though--"gave up a first, MUST RESIGN HIM!" Has not worked out too well for him.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 28, 2023 13:38:17 GMT -5
Lucic returning to Boston, per reports. I believe he's a street FA so it might not have to wait until the league year starts.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2023 13:41:02 GMT -5
he’s a shell of himself skill wise but boy did I miss him!
He won’t let a teammate get taken advantage of and the panthers wouldn’t have been as greasy with him around
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Post by texs31 on Jun 28, 2023 13:44:06 GMT -5
If he convinces PB37 to come back, I don't care if Lucic plays a single game. Sadly, this has a "distract the fans from a reset by bringing back an old fan favorite" smell.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2023 16:13:14 GMT -5
That thought has definitely crossed my mind as well
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Post by homerdante on Jun 28, 2023 16:37:41 GMT -5
If he convinces PB37 to come back, I don't care if Lucic plays a single game. Sadly, this has a "distract the fans from a reset by bringing back an old fan favorite" smell. Hope I'm wrong. They seem to like having a veteran presence in the lower six forward group. If the money is low and the term is short--as a fourth liner--it's hard not to think the deal could be ok for a tight money year. Imagine Frederic picking up a few things from him.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 28, 2023 16:55:34 GMT -5
Dojnt know if the price would be the same (I would think similar) but I'd rather have Nosek. Lucic's face-off percentages are getting bad, and he doesn't add much else except "toughness"
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Post by homerdante on Jun 28, 2023 18:52:05 GMT -5
Dojnt know if the price would be the same (I would think similar) but I'd rather have Nosek. Lucic's face-off percentages are getting bad, and he doesn't add much else except "toughness" Why would he be taking face-offs? Do you know something we don't? I did a quick google, Lucic is a wing, not a center.
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Post by cdj on Jun 29, 2023 7:16:03 GMT -5
Dojnt know if the price would be the same (I would think similar) but I'd rather have Nosek. Lucic's face-off percentages are getting bad, and he doesn't add much else except "toughness" Lucic won’t be playing center, he’s been a wing his entire career. He’s a leader and he’s tough- that’s about it but that’s all he needs to be for his role. Some insurance against pests who want to get our guys off their game Nosek will also get more money
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Post by tizzle on Jun 29, 2023 14:27:41 GMT -5
Dojnt know if the price would be the same (I would think similar) but I'd rather have Nosek. Lucic's face-off percentages are getting bad, and he doesn't add much else except "toughness" Why would he be taking face-offs? Do you know something we don't? I did a quick google, Lucic is a wing, not a center. Nah, I'm just an idiot. Someone on twitter said something about him being the 4th line C and that got it in my head. But he's always been a Wing.
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 11:27:49 GMT -5
JVR signed, 1 yr 1 mill
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 12:22:46 GMT -5
Also Morgan Geekie, 2 years, $2mil per. Shopping at Filene's Basement (people of a certain age will get that reference). Not terrible buys at the price. Saw that Anti Raanta signed for a year at 1.5. Always had my eye on him as a backup if we moved Ullmark. Would have been good at that price.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 12:29:14 GMT -5
And Clifton signed with Buffalo, 3 years, 10 mil
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 12:39:05 GMT -5
Lucic official, 1 yr/1 mill + incentives
Looooooooooooooooooooch
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 12:39:49 GMT -5
Also Morgan Geekie, 2 years, $2mil per. Shopping at Filene's Basement (people of a certain age will get that reference). Not terrible buys at the price. Saw that Anti Raanta signed for a year at 1.5. Always had my eye on him as a backup if we moved Ullmark. Would have been good at that price. Yeah Geekie has some upside at that price, still only 24 and his 5 on 5 production on a per minute basis is actually pretty good
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 12:57:27 GMT -5
Orlov to Carolina. 2 years, 7.75 per.
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 13:31:07 GMT -5
They signed Kevin Shattenkirk 1 yr/1 mill. If we can get him to bounce back in a better defensive structure great, if he’s washed we can bury him at that price
Patrick Brown 2 x 800k. He’s probably gonna be their 14th/15th forward
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 13:32:41 GMT -5
Kevin Shattenkirk, vet RHD, 1 mil. Patrick Brown, C/RW, I believe the same money. 4th line guy.
None of these are bad signings, but I worry Sweeney is starting to follow the pattern of a couple of off-season ago, signing a lot of mediocre vets to lock out more promising youngsters.
At least this group is cheap and easily moved on from, though.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 13:43:15 GMT -5
Didn't realize Daniel Sprong wasn't tendered a contract by Seattle, making him a UFA, which seems insane. He signed for 1 year, $2 mil, which also seems pretty insane. Would have loved to sign him at that price, or longer term for a little more per.
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2023 13:48:33 GMT -5
Kevin Shattenkirk, vet RHD, 1 mil. Patrick Brown, C/RW, I believe the same money. 4th line guy. None of these are bad signings, but I worry Sweeney is starting to follow the pattern of a couple of off-season ago, signing a lot of mediocre vets to lock out more promising youngsters. At least this group is cheap and easily moved on from, though. I think therein lies the difference. If the young guys outperform them they can easily be buried
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 14:08:24 GMT -5
Kevin Shattenkirk, vet RHD, 1 mil. Patrick Brown, C/RW, I believe the same money. 4th line guy. None of these are bad signings, but I worry Sweeney is starting to follow the pattern of a couple of off-season ago, signing a lot of mediocre vets to lock out more promising youngsters. At least this group is cheap and easily moved on from, though. I think therein lies the difference. If the young guys outperform them they can easily be buried The problem is, guys need a chance to play or they can never "outperform" anyone else. A couple of years ago, yeah Reilly's contract was an issue, but Zboril and Vaakanianen never got enough chance to play, when imo each would have proven to be better players.
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Post by homerdante on Jul 1, 2023 16:00:23 GMT -5
I think therein lies the difference. If the young guys outperform them they can easily be buried The problem is, guys need a chance to play or they can never "outperform" anyone else. A couple of years ago, yeah Reilly's contract was an issue, but Zboril and Vaakanianen never got enough chance to play, when imo each would have proven to be better players. I'm with you on the "vibe" of this offseason, Tizzle. Feels like offseason before last. Loaded up on mediocre vets, no kids even really getting a shot. We actually have a couple of interesting kids right now who need to have an opening when they're ready, but if your nhl roaster is loaded with cheap refuse you have to pay, and you're completely against the cap, unless you get injuries, you don't have room to take on even the cheap first year player money if your cap is already full. That is what lead to Reilly effectively blocking other players. From reading about the P Bruins last year, there are some guys there who most likely still need a little seasoning, but if one makes a breakthrough this year, and you've got shit vets ahead of them, they never get the call. Merkulov, Lysell, Poitras, Brett Harrison, Mason Lohrei all seem like higher ceiling candidates, none of whom are probably ready to be given the full time job out of camp, but none of them are also going to sniff a chance without injuries with this type of roster construction. Especially on D right now, we're overloaded--we almost need to trade a couple away--there's no shot Lohrei gets a look.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 16:56:45 GMT -5
The problem is, guys need a chance to play or they can never "outperform" anyone else. A couple of years ago, yeah Reilly's contract was an issue, but Zboril and Vaakanianen never got enough chance to play, when imo each would have proven to be better players. I'm with you on the "vibe" of this offseason, Tizzle. Feels like offseason before last. Loaded up on mediocre vets, no kids even really getting a shot. We actually have a couple of interesting kids right now who need to have an opening when they're ready, but if your nhl roaster is loaded with cheap refuse you have to pay, and you're completely against the cap, unless you get injuries, you don't have room to take on even the cheap first year player money if your cap is already full. That is what lead to Reilly effectively blocking other players. From reading about the P Bruins last year, there are some guys there who most likely still need a little seasoning, but if one makes a breakthrough this year, and you've got shit vets ahead of them, they never get the call. Merkulov, Lysell, Poitras, Brett Harrison, Mason Lohrei all seem like higher ceiling candidates, none of whom are probably ready to be given the full time job out of camp, but none of them are also going to sniff a chance without injuries with this type of roster construction. Especially on D right now, we're overloaded--we almost need to trade a couple away--there's no shot Lohrei gets a look. Yeah, right now we're maybe a signing away from blocking Lauko. And personally I'd rather play Zboril than Forbort. The higher ceiling guys are likely a bit away. I'm no expert (or even close) but people seem to think Merkulov could play right now and that Beecher is close. McLaughlin definitely is blocked right now with those guys. Again, not likely to be stars but could contribute. Harrison seems like he might be close to being able to help. But again, I'm going off what people tell me.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 1, 2023 16:58:11 GMT -5
Scott Mayfield is a guy I've liked for a long time. Thought he'd be a perfect fit. But signed for more than I expected.
(A LOT more with the number of years)
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