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8/25-8/27 Red Sox vs. Dodgers Series Thread
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 27, 2023 16:14:49 GMT -5
Chapman in the clutch with another blown save! Dude has been traded for 6 years of Torres plus more and 6 years of Ragans, pretty crazy
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 27, 2023 16:15:20 GMT -5
Blue Jays lose!
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 27, 2023 16:57:29 GMT -5
Twins baserunning is beyond atrocious (and no neither mistake was on Vazquez lol)
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 27, 2023 17:22:51 GMT -5
Rangers finally lost that was some terrible baseball in extra innings
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 27, 2023 17:30:08 GMT -5
must be painful to be a rangers fan right now
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 27, 2023 17:33:20 GMT -5
must be painful to be a rangers fan right now They feel like the 2011 Red Sox. We need to win a few series against Toronto and Houston and we’re in business
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 17:36:36 GMT -5
must be painful to be a rangers fan right now Meanwhile the Twins will cruise to an AL Central Participation Trophy with a crisp 83 wins.
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Post by manfred on Aug 27, 2023 17:38:14 GMT -5
I gotta admit, watching the Sox, I have a hard time seeing them “in business.” Squeeze into the last WC? Maybe, if other teams keep spiraling. But I don’t feel so good about doing much beyond that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 17:55:51 GMT -5
I gotta admit, watching the Sox, I have a hard time seeing them “in business.” Squeeze into the last WC? Maybe, if other teams keep spiraling. But I don’t feel so good about doing much beyond that. I wonder if there is anyone in the AL right now except the Mariners who have reason to be super confident the rest of the way. The Orioles as well probably, although they did just lose Felix Bautista with a UCL injury. Rays - no Wander or McClanahan. Rangers - hellacious bullpen. Jays and Red Sox are on the outside looking in currently. The Astros have WS pedigree, albeit they’re not as good as last year.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 27, 2023 18:04:27 GMT -5
I gotta admit, watching the Sox, I have a hard time seeing them “in business.” Squeeze into the last WC? Maybe, if other teams keep spiraling. But I don’t feel so good about doing much beyond that. I wonder if there is anyone in the AL right now except the Mariners who have reason to be super confident the rest of the way. The Orioles as well probably, although they did just lose Felix Bautista with a UCL injury. Rays - no Wander or McClanahan. Rangers - hellacious bullpen. Jays and Red Sox are on the outside looking in currently. The Astros have WS pedigree, albeit they’re not as good as last year. AL standings since July 1st:
SEA 35-14 BAL 33-16 BOS 28-19 HOU 28-21 MIN 26-21 TOR 26-21 TEX 24-32 DET 24-24 TBR 22-24 CLE 22-27 LAA 19-27 KCR 18-31 NYY 17-31 OAK 16-30 CHW 15-31
Seattle's been hot but they're hardly a juggernaut. The Orioles are fraudulent and their pitching will be exposed in the playoffs. The Red Sox can hang with any of these teams if they "squeeze into the last WC," especially since the 3rd WC gets rewarded by facing the Twins in the first round.
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Post by manfred on Aug 27, 2023 18:15:28 GMT -5
I wonder if there is anyone in the AL right now except the Mariners who have reason to be super confident the rest of the way. The Orioles as well probably, although they did just lose Felix Bautista with a UCL injury. Rays - no Wander or McClanahan. Rangers - hellacious bullpen. Jays and Red Sox are on the outside looking in currently. The Astros have WS pedigree, albeit they’re not as good as last year. AL standings since July 1st:
SEA 35-14 BAL 33-16 BOS 28-19 HOU 28-21 MIN 26-21 TOR 26-21 TEX 24-32 DET 24-24 TBR 22-24 CLE 22-27 LAA 19-27 KCR 18-31 NYY 17-31 OAK 16-30 CHW 15-31
Seattle's been hot but they're hardly a juggernaut. The Orioles are fraudulent and their pitching will be exposed in the playoffs. The Red Sox can hang with any of these teams if they "squeeze into the last WC," especially since the 3rd WC gets rewarded by facing the Twins in the first round.
Records are interesting. Looking at August, the Sox Swept the Yankees (.477 winning %) Take 2/3 from KC and Detroit (.311 and .454 respectively) Split with Seattle and Houston (.569 and .561) Lose 2/3 to WAS and LA (.466 and .620) Swept by the Jays (.542) 25 games, 4 wins against a team over .500. 8 losses.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 27, 2023 18:44:30 GMT -5
Quote just read from the WEEI site in the after game report..
"It's a trade that can never be defended and a stain that will never be erased, the trade of Mookie Betts by the Red Sox." That was the assessment from Sean McDonough on the Mookie Betts trade just moments after the former Red Sox superstar blasted his 35th home run of the season (Tying his career-high), putting the Dodgers on top 4-0.
Yup.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 27, 2023 18:58:49 GMT -5
I gotta admit, watching the Sox, I have a hard time seeing them “in business.” Squeeze into the last WC? Maybe, if other teams keep spiraling. But I don’t feel so good about doing much beyond that. I think this Sox team would be on the heater we need if there were more frequent off days baked into the schedule. If they can just sneak in, one day out of three off means the clear strength of the team - the bullpen - can shine and replace some of the starter innings. Asking for a 6th from Kutter - and riding an ineffective Murphy as long as possible today - are situations that would not be happening in a short series. Of course, bad news on a Devers X-ray means it’s probably not happening.
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Post by manfred on Aug 27, 2023 19:07:40 GMT -5
I gotta admit, watching the Sox, I have a hard time seeing them “in business.” Squeeze into the last WC? Maybe, if other teams keep spiraling. But I don’t feel so good about doing much beyond that. I think this Sox team would be on the heater we need if there were more frequent off days baked into the schedule. If they can just sneak in, one day out of three off means the clear strength of the team - the bullpen - can shine and replace some of the starter innings. Asking for a 6th from Kutter - and riding an ineffective Murphy as long as possible today - are situations that would not be happening in a short series. Of course, bad news on a Devers X-ray means it’s probably not happening. Shortening rotations will benefit everyone, of course.
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Post by manfred on Aug 27, 2023 19:21:10 GMT -5
OTOH, Chapman and Bichette both left with injuries. Catchibg the Jays seems likely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 20:00:49 GMT -5
OTOH, Chapman and Bichette both left with injuries. Catchibg the Jays seems likely. “As things stand, it appears that Chapman’s injury is more serious than Bichette’s. As relayed by MLB.com, manager John Schneider told reporters that both players had been playing through the injuries they were removed over today. Schneider described Bichette’s removal from the game as precautionary. That’s an understandable decision, given the star shortstop just missed a couple of weeks with a right knee injury. Chapman’s ailment, on the other hand, is one Schneider notes that Chapman has been dealing with for “the past couple of weeks” after he jammed the finger while putting away a weight in the weight room. The issue was aggravated during an at-bat today, and Chapman will undergo an MRI to determine the severity of his injury.” - www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/bo-bichette-matt-chapman-exit-with-injuries.htmlOof. Vlad Jr. somehow has a lower OPS than Alex Verdugo this year.
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Post by cdj on Aug 27, 2023 20:59:01 GMT -5
OTOH, Chapman and Bichette both left with injuries. Catchibg the Jays seems likely. “As things stand, it appears that Chapman’s injury is more serious than Bichette’s. As relayed by MLB.com, manager John Schneider told reporters that both players had been playing through the injuries they were removed over today. Schneider described Bichette’s removal from the game as precautionary. That’s an understandable decision, given the star shortstop just missed a couple of weeks with a right knee injury. Chapman’s ailment, on the other hand, is one Schneider notes that Chapman has been dealing with for “the past couple of weeks” after he jammed the finger while putting away a weight in the weight room. The issue was aggravated during an at-bat today, and Chapman will undergo an MRI to determine the severity of his injury.” - www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/bo-bichette-matt-chapman-exit-with-injuries.htmlOof. Vlad Jr. somehow has a lower OPS than Alex Verdugo this year. Balsa bat guerrero!
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 27, 2023 21:07:36 GMT -5
I thought we played the Dodgers pretty tough. They are on fire now, 21 and 4 this August. Mookie and Freeman have 29 hits on this 6 game road trip and look to be future HOFers. Still I think Atlanta is the best team in baseball and the Dodgers may be peaking early.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 27, 2023 21:59:13 GMT -5
AL standings since July 1st:
SEA 35-14 BAL 33-16 BOS 28-19 HOU 28-21 MIN 26-21 TOR 26-21 TEX 24-32 DET 24-24 TBR 22-24 CLE 22-27 LAA 19-27 KCR 18-31 NYY 17-31 OAK 16-30 CHW 15-31
Seattle's been hot but they're hardly a juggernaut. The Orioles are fraudulent and their pitching will be exposed in the playoffs. The Red Sox can hang with any of these teams if they "squeeze into the last WC," especially since the 3rd WC gets rewarded by facing the Twins in the first round.
Records are interesting. Looking at August, the Sox Swept the Yankees (.477 winning %) Take 2/3 from KC and Detroit (.311 and .454 respectively) Split with Seattle and Houston (.569 and .561) Lose 2/3 to WAS and LA (.466 and .620) Swept by the Jays (.542) 25 games, 4 wins against a team over .500. 8 losses. It’s a lot more important when you face a team than the record of the team. Washington for example are playing good right now, and yet under .500. Mariners before this run were under .500, but still a decent team. And what pitchers you get to face, and with what injuries and who is hot and so on.
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 27, 2023 22:04:10 GMT -5
They aren't in must-win territory yet, but the margin for error is getting thin. They can realistically only lose 1 or 2 more series and expect to make the playoffs.
Essentially, they need to be the anti-Yankees. It's stunning how bad they've become, 1-12-3 in their last 16 series (with Oakland in June being their only win).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 27, 2023 22:40:01 GMT -5
They aren't in must-win territory yet, but the margin for error is getting thin. They can realistically only lose 1 or 2 more series and expect to make the playoffs. Essentially, they need to be the anti-Yankees. It's stunning how bad they've become, 1-12-3 in their last 16 series (with Oakland in June being their only win). If they played consistently clean baseball and didn't make things so hard I'd agree - but I just don't see it. However - I pegged them for 79 wins and they will exceed that. They've also played far worse D and made more dumb mistakes than I ever could have imagined. I will keep watching and hoping, but my expectations are tempered.
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Post by keninten on Aug 27, 2023 23:03:25 GMT -5
Seems they will have to beat out Texas and Toronto to get in the playoffs. They play them both 3 times each. Texas and Toronto go head to head 4 times. Whoever gets on a streak will win the 3rd WC.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 28, 2023 1:31:54 GMT -5
They aren't in must-win territory yet, but the margin for error is getting thin. They can realistically only lose 1 or 2 more series and expect to make the playoffs. Essentially, they need to be the anti-Yankees. It's stunning how bad they've become, 1-12-3 in their last 16 series (with Oakland in June being their only win). FYI they literally can’t lose a series for the rest of this season if they are to win 89 games. Trying to stay positive, but if they even lose one series, it would take a complete meltdown of either Texas, Seattle or Houston in order for them to grab the 3rd wildcard.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 28, 2023 2:59:08 GMT -5
The box score looks like we were outplayed yesterday. Statcast tells a different story.
Expected hits allowed, versus actual:
Murphy 6.14 > 9
Houck 4.13 > 5 Llovera, 0.21 > 0
Dodgers at bat, 10.48 > 14
Ferguson 0.78 > 1 Stone, 7.16 > 5 Brasier .33 > 0 Phillips, 0.48 > 1
Sox at bat, 8.75 > 7.
Biggest factor: balls not hit hard, and that were expected outs. Sox went 0 for 16, Dodgers 6 for 17.
The run value difference here? 4.5 runs, even if you assume all of the hits involved are singles.
And it is possible to single out two PA of a type we never got.
I don't think the cheap 2-out double with Mookie Betts on deck escaped anyone's notice. Granted, the xBA on that was .500, but the EV was 71.3, and when the closest fielder is Alex Verdugo, the actual xBA is lower. So there's a run or two
But the killer was Rojas' leadoff double in the 8th that was 89.0 and had an .020 xBA. Now, everyone on both sides knows the Wall is there, so I have never regarded hard-hit Fenway doubles or homers as lucky. But this was a pitcher making a good pitch and getting ordinary to weak contact, and it's a routine out everywhere else. That ended up costing 2 runs.
The point of this? As I said at the top, the box score looks like we were outplayed. We weren't. They got the breaks, we didn't, and that was the game --- and that's baseball. We should expect to record a win just this lucky before the season ends. Ideally, within the next three days.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 28, 2023 7:10:12 GMT -5
The box score looks like we were outplayed yesterday. Statcast tells a different story.
Expected hits allowed, versus actual:
Murphy 6.14 > 9
Houck 4.13 > 5 Llovera, 0.21 > 0
Dodgers at bat, 10.48 > 14
Ferguson 0.78 > 1 Stone, 7.16 > 5 Brasier .33 > 0 Phillips, 0.48 > 1
Sox at bat, 8.75 > 7.
Biggest factor: balls not hit hard, and that were expected outs. Sox went 0 for 16, Dodgers 6 for 17.
The run value difference here? 4.5 runs, even if you assume all of the hits involved are singles.
And it is possible to single out two PA of a type we never got.
I don't think the cheap 2-out double with Mookie Betts on deck escaped anyone's notice. Granted, the xBA on that was .500, but the EV was 71.3, and when the closest fielder is Alex Verdugo, the actual xBA is lower. So there's a run or two
But the killer was Rojas' leadoff double in the 8th that was 89.0 and had an .020 xBA. Now, everyone on both sides knows the Wall is there, so I have never regarded hard-hit Fenway doubles or homers as lucky. But this was a pitcher making a good pitch and getting ordinary to weak contact, and it's a routine out everywhere else. That ended up costing 2 runs.
The point of this? As I said at the top, the box score looks like we were outplayed. We weren't. They got the breaks, we didn't, and that was the game --- and that's baseball. We should expect to record a win just this lucky before the season ends. Ideally, within the next three days.
I watched the game, not the box score, and it sure looked like we got outplayed. We were flat with the bats, and short in the pen.
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