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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2023 17:36:53 GMT -5
Drive killed by a BS hold call If that's holding then you'd call holding every play.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2023 17:38:04 GMT -5
Drive killed by a BS hold call If that's holding then you'd call holding every play. Stripes clearly have eagles -3.5
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Post by philarhody on Sept 10, 2023 17:48:18 GMT -5
That holding call on Henry was game shifting
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2023 17:54:48 GMT -5
I'm listening to 98.5 and Zo and Bob Socci think the ref just identified the wrong guy. They thought Brown was the guy who was holding and said it was a good call, if it were Brown. Terrible if Henry.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 10, 2023 17:59:20 GMT -5
If only Onwenu were healthy ...(and a real right tackle wouldn't hurt)
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2023 18:18:51 GMT -5
This team looks so much better than last year, but the schedule is incredibly unforgiving.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2023 18:21:01 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2023 18:32:28 GMT -5
Lot of dumb play calling by the Eagles.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2023 18:41:42 GMT -5
Good heart. Offense looks better. Defense looked great.
Don’t crap the bed in the first half of the first quarter and they win
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2023 18:42:30 GMT -5
Boutte can get open and catch balls, he needs to work on his footwork on the boundaries.
Overall way more positives than negatives. They should have won, Bill should have taken that FG earlier.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2023 18:48:57 GMT -5
They were probably the better team for the last 3.25 quarters
First quarter was just a disaster
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Post by philarhody on Sept 10, 2023 19:01:32 GMT -5
That New England defense is looking real good.
Unfortunately, they can’t give away games this season. Schedule won’t allow it. This Philly offense sucked tonight and New England blew an awesome opportunity.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 10, 2023 19:13:04 GMT -5
Btw, can we talk about Christian Gonzalez?
Wow. It’s gonna be nice having him for the next half decade.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2023 19:52:20 GMT -5
Btw, can we talk about Christian Gonzalez? Wow. It’s gonna be nice having him for the next half decade. Keion White was looking good too Between those two, Pop Douglas, and the rookie guards not puking all over themselves I’d say week 1 was a success for the draft class In my non-expert opinion I thought Mafi looked better than Sow
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 10, 2023 21:31:46 GMT -5
I thought Mac looked good today and I still think he needs a high end top target to really get him there. I know this isn't a very popular opinion here, but I think the receivers are mostly mid and Mac needs a true go to guy.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2023 22:43:41 GMT -5
Mac had a very Kirk Cousins performance. That's a big win for the team if he's of that caliber, but they'll need other guys to step up to win in the clutch.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2023 8:32:19 GMT -5
I'm kinda shocked with no Parker that Gesecki only played 41% of the snaps. They used him strictly as a TE2, not a WR. I hope that was more game plan against a great defense line than his actual role this year.
Jalen Hurts isn't an elite QB, he's an okay QB, with an elite offense line and two elite WRs.
Story of the game wasn't Eagles offense played bad, it was Patriots defense was elite. 18 points allowed and only TD was after fumble at our 25 yard line. That's about as good of a performance as you'll see against a good offense in today's NFL. No turnovers, they might have only gotten FGs all game and damn there FG kicker has a leg on him.
I loved Mac Jones response after game, even though a lot of it wasn't on him. They did a great job with the quick offense and made the OL look better then it was. I can't complain much about two rookies against that D line, Harris can actually pass block, the run blocking was rather bad and there was pressure most of the game.
Any team will be better with a truly elite WR like AJ Brown. The two rookie WR showed you the ability to get open, I don't see weapons as an issue with better OL play and the ability to actually run. Boutte isn't really an X WR and he was able to get open multiple times. Gesecki wasn't used enough, no Parker. I am worried about JuJu, he didn't look good and didn't play many snaps. Which given the offense they ran is surprising. I've always favored an offense where you spread out the D and have 5-6 options. That looks like this offense, much more of a typical patriots type offense. Zeke looked very good minus the fumble, Stevenson wasn't close to 100%.
This looks like your typical Patriots team, lots of talent and if they improve like Patriots team usually do over the course of the season we are going to have a great season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 11, 2023 8:41:23 GMT -5
I agree with all the positives so i won’t repeat them. Here are my concerns:
1. I (we?) spent 2 decades calling other teams bad for beating themselves. This has been a common theme the last few years and showed up again yesterday.
Positive spin: it was the first game, bad conditions and lack of practice time. We can’t be talking about this stuff in a few weeks tho.
2. Mac still has way too many balls that take too long to get where it needs to get to. This was a question coming into the league and is still one in year 3. That’s not good.
Positive spin: He can zip it, we’ve seen it in small doses. Maybe it’s a mechanical/coaching issue that BOB can work out. I bet Josh could have but he left so Mac hasn’t had consistent coaching from and OC. Negative; it’s not like he doesn’t work with private coaches in the offseason.
If by the end of the year there’s not improvement here I’ll be highly worried and if next year is the same then I’ll say he’s not going to be good enough to win them a SB.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2023 10:36:55 GMT -5
Great pats teams have had far worse early season losses
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 11, 2023 11:15:24 GMT -5
Great pats teams have had far worse early season losses It’s true, they also didn’t have years long trends of playing sloppy football.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 11, 2023 11:41:31 GMT -5
A lot of fair points, typical Patriots teams get better and iron out these issues, Newton couldn't, Rookie Jones couldn't, 2nd year Jones couldn't but everything was a mess, so yeah it's a big year for him. Tipped ball interceptions happen, but he did have a few others that could have also been picked off.
His arm strength is fine with a good pocket,feet set and correct mechanics. When he starts moving around and adjusting arm angle to get ball out with pressure you see his limitations. Needs to go study Bradys pocket movements, side to side or step up, always keeping him ready to throw with correct mechanics. He's nothing like Mahomes or these other guys with rockets, but he tries some of those throws. Why great OL and running game are so important for him, he's a pure pocket passer. He had very few clean pockets yesterday, that needs to change.
After 1st game it's still the same crap, how good will the OL be? Certainly a positive that they could do everything they did yesterday against one of the best DL in football, they need to get much better in future games. The one thing that would destroy Brady was a crap OL and a great DL, see Giants destroying our perfect season.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 11, 2023 13:09:59 GMT -5
I thought Mac looked good today and I still think he needs a high end top target to really get him there. I know this isn't a very popular opinion here, but I think the receivers are mostly mid and Mac needs a true go to guy. Your sentiments seems to be the prevailing one at present. I prefer the Pats traditional model -- spread it around to multiple playable guys. Btw, the favorite "weapon" of many, D Hopkins, caught 7 of 13 with 2 picks for 65 yards @ a cost of 15M. One of the problems of the "pecking order WR" ie, #1 #2 etc., is the top guy feels entitled to a certain number of targets, open or not, and the results can be disastrous. Brady's worst passer rating in 2009 was when throwing to Randy Moss (around 40) vs. the other WRs & RBs. This fan wants no part of the diva WR #1 and everything that involves.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 11, 2023 13:47:21 GMT -5
Pff scores for yesterdays game came out. Of 61 rated OGs, Mafi came in 57th (38.5) and Sow came in 60th (28.8). Those are some pretty atrocious scores. Of 61 rated OTs, Brown came in 24th (68.4) and Anderson came in 46th (56.7). Of 30 rated Centers. Andrews came in 9th (69.8). You have to give BOB and Mac and Andrews some credit for workimg around an otherwise really crappy OL. Hopefully Onwenu can get healthy quickly.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 11, 2023 13:58:49 GMT -5
No local coverage, so I lived off gamecast and next-day highlights.
That's some great great push by Keion and then he kept in pursuit of a very quick QB. I'm really excited to see him disrupt so many plays over the next few years.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 11, 2023 16:50:26 GMT -5
I thought Mac looked good today and I still think he needs a high end top target to really get him there. I know this isn't a very popular opinion here, but I think the receivers are mostly mid and Mac needs a true go to guy. Your sentiments seems to be the prevailing one at present. I prefer the Pats traditional model -- spread it around to multiple playable guys. Btw, the favorite "weapon" of many, D Hopkins, caught 7 of 13 with 2 picks for 65 yards @ a cost of 15M. One of the problems of the "pecking order WR" ie, #1 #2 etc., is the top guy feels entitled to a certain number of targets, open or not, and the results can be disastrous. Brady's worst passer rating in 2009 was when throwing to Randy Moss (around 40) vs. the other WRs & RBs. This fan wants no part of the diva WR #1 and everything that involves. Hopkins was debatable I thought as a number 1 coming into this season. I think if more teams believed in him, the more offers he'd have. I think that's why he's a Titan rather than an Bill or a Chief. Maybe I'm wrong there. I would argue that Jackobi Meyers benefited greatly on Sunday by having a true number 1 taking coverage and opening up space. The presence of a true number 1 can open up things for other guys, even if they themselves don't have a great game. I didn't watch the Titans game so I can't tell you how Hopkins looked or how his impact might have helped or not other than they lost.
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