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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 11, 2024 9:17:38 GMT -5
I am thrilled. Great news to wake up to. So clear it was time for a change
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 9:26:00 GMT -5
Kraft made the right choice. It was obvious changes were needed.
If you let Bill run this offseason then you give him the next 4.
This team was horrible and been getting worse since Brady.
People forget, he traded Gronk to Detroit and wanted Garapollo before their last few rings. He ran Brady out of town and had no plan other than Stidham. The roster around Brady his last year was bad.
Even this team wasn't well coached this year. Countless dumb penalties and special teams debacles. Just look at that 4th and 1 against the Jets. In their own territory they go with a low percentage play. It obviously doesn't work and the Jets get 3.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 11, 2024 9:39:31 GMT -5
In other news, UMass will need to find another WR "Binky" as Emeka Egbuka has announced he's returning to Ohio State.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Jan 11, 2024 10:13:12 GMT -5
I’m definitely good with the split from BB but curious to hear why they didn’t attempt to trade him since he’s still under contract. Also very interested to see which teams pursue him now. He definitely lost his touch the last few seasons, but still an undeniably huge part of the success of the dynasty. Hope he can still get the wins record somewhere else
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 10:23:06 GMT -5
The important thing here is, Tom Curran maintains his credibility.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 11, 2024 10:51:04 GMT -5
The important thing here is, Tom Curran maintains his credibility. Except that it took three days of meetings and disconnect to come to a decision that "happened" 3 months ago.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 10:53:59 GMT -5
The important thing here is, Tom Curran maintains his credibility. Except that it took three days of meetings and disconnect to come to a decision that "happened" 3 months ago. Do you really think Kraft just decided this over the last 3 days? I think they didn't want to do it Black Monday and then I don't think Bill wanted to steal the light from Saban retiring.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 11, 2024 10:59:03 GMT -5
How amazing was it to see Bill shut down the greatest offenses ever. Seriously, don't forget game plans against the Rams, taking away Pat Mahomes for a full half at his peak, changing everything about his defense in a week, etc. Watching Bill do his thing was really as exciting as watching Brady do his. He got the very most out of so many guys, and made millionaires of so many guys that performed at their peak for him, got paid elsewhere, and often came back. His press conferences were hilarious when he was winning.
Until recently it was so rare that he was outcoached or outwitted that it was shocking to see it in real time (thinking back to the Wildcat Dolphins catching him by surprise, the Giants Superbowl #1 taking from Bill's Rams playbook of smack-fight-claw, the Philly Special.)
We needed to move on eventually, seems okay to do now. Like when Brady left, it's sad to be relegated to "just another team" in the league, with ups and downs and hires and fires. Never would have thought in the Hugh Millen days the Patriots would become class of the league and the "boogeyman" for everyone else for TWO Decades.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 11, 2024 11:05:23 GMT -5
Except that it took three days of meetings and disconnect to come to a decision that "happened" 3 months ago. Do you really think Kraft just decided this over the last 3 days? I think they didn't want to do it Black Monday and then I don't think Bill wanted to steal the light from Saban retiring. Jeff Howe @jeffphowe Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick met for two of the last three days. In the end, they obviously decided to split. They each needed to move on and restart. I was interpolating from this tweet from Howe, who still tends to have good Pats sources. But who knows.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 11:13:34 GMT -5
Do you really think Kraft just decided this over the last 3 days? I think they didn't want to do it Black Monday and then I don't think Bill wanted to steal the light from Saban retiring. Jeff Howe @jeffphowe Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick met for two of the last three days. In the end, they obviously decided to split. They each needed to move on and restart. I was interpolating from this tweet from Howe, who still tends to have good Pats sources. But who knows. I could be wrong and the meetings could have been a "how do we salvage this" and then ultimately decided they couldn't, but my guess is that the meetings were, "do I have to pay you? Yes. Then if that's the case we expect this. How do you think the best way will be for us to part?"
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Jan 11, 2024 11:19:51 GMT -5
The important thing here is, Tom Curran maintains his credibility. I don't know about that, Tom Curran predicted the Patriots to have 12 wins this year.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jan 11, 2024 11:49:56 GMT -5
I’m definitely good with the split from BB but curious to hear why they didn’t attempt to trade him since he’s still under contract. Also very interested to see which teams pursue him now. He definitely lost his touch the last few seasons, but still an undeniably huge part of the success of the dynasty. Hope he can still get the wins record somewhere else My guess? Similar to Tennessee's approach to Vrabel - it would be very complicated and time-consuming and after all he's done for the organization, you owe him the opportunity to pick and choose his landing spot. The Krafts want to be talking to the top candidates now, and that includes Vrabel, the hot OCs, Mayo and Flores. Adding the complication of hiring a GM as well, and you really don't have a whole lot of time to dwell on the matter.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 11:52:55 GMT -5
The important thing here is, Tom Curran maintains his credibility. I don't know about that, Tom Curran predicted the Patriots to have 12 wins this year. To be fair, most people thought replacing Matt Patricia as OC was going to automatically equate to more wins. At least this was just a bad prediction rather than claiming to have insider information that wasn't true.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 11:54:25 GMT -5
I’m definitely good with the split from BB but curious to hear why they didn’t attempt to trade him since he’s still under contract. Also very interested to see which teams pursue him now. He definitely lost his touch the last few seasons, but still an undeniably huge part of the success of the dynasty. Hope he can still get the wins record somewhere else My guess? Similar to Tennessee's approach to Vrabel - it would be very complicated and time-consuming and after all he's done for the organization, you owe him the opportunity to pick and choose his landing spot. The Krafts want to be talking to the top candidates now, and that includes Vrabel, the hot OCs, Mayo and Flores. Adding the complication of hiring a GM as well, and you really don't have a whole lot of time to dwell on the matter. My guess is this is an indicator Mayo doesn't get the job. Why would you care about the interview process and getting out in front of this if you could name Mayo the HC any time you wanted to? He's under team control. I think Vrabel will be the guy and they had to fire Bill now to make it happen.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 11, 2024 13:23:18 GMT -5
I hope they also go get a young up and coming OC its been a while since the Pats were ahead of innovation in the league. They used to be the trend setting team that the rest of the league reacted to on many levels (One of the many things that makes BB the GOAT) it would be great if they at least tried to get back on that level.
I hope if its Vrable they don’t end with someone like Arthur Smith.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2024 13:33:49 GMT -5
Mutually agree to part ways lol. Our Owner fired him and tries to spin it like he didn't.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 11, 2024 14:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jan 11, 2024 15:15:04 GMT -5
My guess? Similar to Tennessee's approach to Vrabel - it would be very complicated and time-consuming and after all he's done for the organization, you owe him the opportunity to pick and choose his landing spot. The Krafts want to be talking to the top candidates now, and that includes Vrabel, the hot OCs, Mayo and Flores. Adding the complication of hiring a GM as well, and you really don't have a whole lot of time to dwell on the matter. My guess is this is an indicator Mayo doesn't get the job. Why would you care about the interview process and getting out in front of this if you could name Mayo the HC any time you wanted to? He's under team control. I think Vrabel will be the guy and they had to fire Bill now to make it happen. To be clear, they can't just hire Mayo whenever they want. They MUST interview 2 diverse candidates from outside the organization per the update to the Rooney Rule. Not that it answers the "why no trade" question but just a point of clarity.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 11, 2024 15:24:08 GMT -5
My guess is this is an indicator Mayo doesn't get the job. Why would you care about the interview process and getting out in front of this if you could name Mayo the HC any time you wanted to? He's under team control. I think Vrabel will be the guy and they had to fire Bill now to make it happen. To be clear, they can't just hire Mayo whenever they want. They MUST interview 2 diverse candidates from outside the organization per the update to the Rooney Rule. Not that it answers the "why no trade" question but just a point of clarity. Fair, but they could just interview a couple of people off the street just to appease the rule. I don't think that's a huge problem.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2024 15:28:27 GMT -5
My guess is this is an indicator Mayo doesn't get the job. Why would you care about the interview process and getting out in front of this if you could name Mayo the HC any time you wanted to? He's under team control. I think Vrabel will be the guy and they had to fire Bill now to make it happen. To be clear, they can't just hire Mayo whenever they want. They MUST interview 2 diverse candidates from outside the organization per the update to the Rooney Rule. Not that it answers the "why no trade" question but just a point of clarity. They just keep making it worse!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2024 15:33:02 GMT -5
I hope they also go get a young up and coming OC its been a while since the Pats were ahead of innovation in the league. They used to be the trend setting team that the rest of the league reacted to on many levels (One of the many things that makes BB the GOAT) it would be great if they at least tried to get back on that level. I hope if its Vrable they don’t end with someone like Arthur Smith. I'd be looking at people like Miami OC for the HC job. Highly impressed with what he did with that offense. Vrable is old school, like hiring a lesser, younger Bill, much less experienced version. He's going to get in the way of any good OC with his D and running the ball style.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2024 17:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jan 11, 2024 18:31:28 GMT -5
Now Rap saying they WOULDNT have to go through the process but I thought the update to the rule suggests otherwise.
EDIT So I missed that Rap is saying that the succession plan is in his contract and THATS why they could circumvent the process.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2024 18:53:53 GMT -5
Now Rap saying they WOULDNT have to go through the process but I thought the update to the rule suggests otherwise. EDIT So I missed that Rap is saying that the succession plan is in his contract and THATS why they could circumvent the process. The process is for hiring minority candidates, Mayo is a minority so why would they need to go thru a process?
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Post by mobaz on Jan 11, 2024 18:56:08 GMT -5
Now Rap saying they WOULDNT have to go through the process but I thought the update to the rule suggests otherwise. EDIT So I missed that Rap is saying that the succession plan is in his contract and THATS why they could circumvent the process. The process is for hiring minority candidates, Mayo is a minority so why would they need to go thru a process? Because too many teams were giving a token interview to an internal minority and then picking the guy they already wanted anyway. So know they HAVE to cast a broader net and interview more (minority) candidates from outside the organization.
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