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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 7, 2024 19:30:20 GMT -5
Tanner Houck is just straight up 2nd in the entire 2017 draft in WAR to Dalton Varsho among players that signed. Never in a million years would have guessed that
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Post by bluechip on Apr 7, 2024 19:58:29 GMT -5
Tanner Houck is just straight up 2nd in the entire 2017 draft in WAR to Dalton Varsho among players that signed. Never in a million years would have guessed that Doesn’t Chas Meredith have more than him. Garrett Whitlock must be in the top ten as well.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 7, 2024 20:15:39 GMT -5
Chase Anderson’s ability to give them three inning saves in these laughers has some real value.
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Post by sxfan on Apr 7, 2024 20:34:01 GMT -5
Didn't get to catch the game, but Houck's splitter must be coming along for him to be pitching like this to start the season.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 7, 2024 20:36:20 GMT -5
That’s when you want Trout burning you. In an 8-1 loss with your long reliever out there. Sadly, this might be how we basically remember Trout’s entire career. One of the all-time greats and no real signature moments to speak of.
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Post by stunzisox on Apr 7, 2024 20:56:25 GMT -5
Chase Anderson’s ability to give them three inning saves in these laughers has some real value. Can someone help me out here because I feel like I’m losing my marbles. When did closing out a 10 run game start constituting as a save situation?
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 7, 2024 21:01:46 GMT -5
Chase Anderson’s ability to give them three inning saves in these laughers has some real value. Can someone help me out here because I feel like I’m losing my marbles. When did closing out a 10 run game start constituting as a save situation? If you pitch the last 3 innings is relief, you are awarded a save. That’s how it worked in the old days….
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 7, 2024 21:12:23 GMT -5
Can someone help me out here because I feel like I’m losing my marbles. When did closing out a 10 run game start constituting as a save situation? If you pitch the last 3 innings is relief, you are awarded a save. That’s how it worked in the old days…. Save rule has changed am thinking. Yes on the last 3 innings, but Slaten got the save in Seattle with a better than 3r lead when he came in (pretty sure) and only went 2+. Does anyone know the oddball definitions of a save now?
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Post by stunzisox on Apr 7, 2024 21:23:15 GMT -5
If you pitch the last 3 innings is relief, you are awarded a save. That’s how it worked in the old days…. Save rule has changed am thinking. Yes on the last 3 innings, but Slaten got the save in Seattle with a better than 3r lead when he came in (pretty sure) and only went 2+. Does anyone know the oddball definitions of a save now? when ahead an internet’d. Save (SV) Definition A save is awarded to the relief pitcher who finishes a game for the winning team, under certain circumstances. A pitcher cannot receive a save and a win in the same game. A relief pitcher recording a save must preserve his team's lead while doing one of the following: - Enter the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitch at least one inning. - Enter the game with the tying run in the on-deck circle, at the plate or on the bases. - Pitch at least three innings. www.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/save
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Post by chaimtime on Apr 7, 2024 21:25:38 GMT -5
Apparently I didn’t look closely enough at the signing bonus section on B-Ref—serves me right for posting while visiting my grandmother (she was in the other room, I swear!). Skubal and Rasmussen didn’t sign either, so Houck and Whitlock are 1 and 2 for pitchers who did sign. Funny how the Rays ended up getting Rasmussen anyway—they drafted him 31st overall, he didn’t sign, needed Tommy John, and ended up falling to the Brewers in the 6th round the next year. Didn’t realize how many elbow injuries he’s already had—two TJs and an internal brace is no joke.
The 2017 class was pretty weak, but Houck has been pretty successful as a starter. If he can keep on throwing strikes like this, he can be very useful. If he can keep working on the split through the season, he has real breakout potential. It definitely hasn’t been a perfect start to the season, but it’s hard not to be excited to see how the season plays out with how the pitching has looked so far.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 7, 2024 21:34:20 GMT -5
Didn't get to catch the game, but Houck's splitter must be coming along for him to be pitching like this to start the season. When Houck got hurt last year he had the 8th (expected) or 9th (actual) best splitter or changeup among the 126 starters who finished a PA with one 10+ times (he had 16) ...
... in innings 1 to 3.
After that, among 106 pitchers, he was 57th best expected, and 5th worse actual. The big difference can be explained: he was throwing it predictably and some guys were able drop it where the fielders weren't.
Houk is the one guy of the five whose repertoire has been left untouched. He had already dedicated himself to spending the off-season getting into sufficient shape to go six innings + without fading, something he couldn't do the year before while recovering from surgery. They did give all the guys individual workout plans.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 7, 2024 21:38:01 GMT -5
OK - great road trip.
Now we got to hope home cooking gets the bats of Valdez, Abreu, Dalbec and Reyes heating up - as well as Raffy continuing to thaw.
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Post by rhswanzey on Apr 7, 2024 22:47:55 GMT -5
16 of next 22 at home
Seven wins and three one run losses
Alright alright alright
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Post by orion09 on Apr 7, 2024 23:25:38 GMT -5
Didn't get to catch the game, but Houck's splitter must be coming along for him to be pitching like this to start the season. When Houck got hurt last year he had the 8th (expected) or 9th (actual) best splitter or changeup among the 126 starters who finished a PA with one 10+ times (he had 16) ...
... in innings 1 to 3.
After that, among 106 pitchers, he was 57th best expected, and 5th worse actual. The big difference can be explained: he was throwing it predictably and some guys were able drop it where the fielders weren't.
Houk is the one guy of the five whose repertoire has been left untouched. He had already dedicated himself to spending the off-season getting into sufficient shape to go six innings + without fading, something he couldn't do the year before while recovering from surgery. They did give all the guys individual workout plans.
Not completely untouched - he’s dropped the 4FB and the pitch mix is different (throwing the split twice as often at 20%).
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Post by sxfan on Apr 7, 2024 23:30:11 GMT -5
When Houck got hurt last year he had the 8th (expected) or 9th (actual) best splitter or changeup among the 126 starters who finished a PA with one 10+ times (he had 16) ...
... in innings 1 to 3.
After that, among 106 pitchers, he was 57th best expected, and 5th worse actual. The big difference can be explained: he was throwing it predictably and some guys were able drop it where the fielders weren't.
Houk is the one guy of the five whose repertoire has been left untouched. He had already dedicated himself to spending the off-season getting into sufficient shape to go six innings + without fading, something he couldn't do the year before while recovering from surgery. They did give all the guys individual workout plans.
Not completely untouched - he’s dropped the 4FB and the pitch mix is different (throwing the split twice as often at 20%). So I guess he has been throwing the splitter more and more effectively, leading to his early success? Dropping his worst pitch helps, too.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 8, 2024 0:02:20 GMT -5
A 7-3 start to the season on a west coast trip is incredible. The anti-2019. Tempered excitement. The level of competition wasn't great, but they showed they can at least beat up on these kinds of teams.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 8, 2024 0:03:52 GMT -5
When Houck got hurt last year he had the 8th (expected) or 9th (actual) best splitter or changeup among the 126 starters who finished a PA with one 10+ times (he had 16) ...
... in innings 1 to 3.
After that, among 106 pitchers, he was 57th best expected, and 5th worse actual. The big difference can be explained: he was throwing it predictably and some guys were able drop it where the fielders weren't.
Houk is the one guy of the five whose repertoire has been left untouched. He had already dedicated himself to spending the off-season getting into sufficient shape to go six innings + without fading, something he couldn't do the year before while recovering from surgery. They did give all the guys individual workout plans.
Not completely untouched - he’s dropped the 4FB and the pitch mix is different (throwing the split twice as often at 20%). Indeed! And in fact I suggested earlier that they have him drop the 4-seamer if they couldn't improve it.
What I meant was that he was not adding anything, unlike the other two non-established starters.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 8, 2024 0:17:37 GMT -5
OK - great road trip. Now we got to hope home cooking gets the bats of Valdez, Abreu, Dalbec and Reyes heating up - as well as Raffy continuing to thaw. Sadly, I don’t think Bobby is ever going to find it. He had some flashes initially, but he just looks completely overmatched now. They probably should have kept Cron on the roster instead.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 8, 2024 5:44:42 GMT -5
Here are the xwOBA's of the 10 best pitching staffs:
.305 .304 .304 .304 .301 .298 .298 .295 .293 ...
That's 12 point difference over 9 teams, so the final entry can be expected to be .292 or maybe .291, right?
.278. You know who. The Braves have the .293, and the gap between us and them matches the one between the them and the #12 Mariners.
Braves have a similar dominance on offense, wOBA. But that was expected.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 8, 2024 5:58:25 GMT -5
Here's a fun one: the three major bullpen additions, Slaten, Campbell, and Weissert, have each faced 18 hitters. Combined, they have a .217 xwOBA and .163 wOBA.
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Post by costpet on Apr 8, 2024 6:05:56 GMT -5
Good pitching always beats good hitting. So far, we have great pitching. Who’d a thunk?
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Post by nickbbsox1 on Apr 8, 2024 6:20:32 GMT -5
Great start to the season , easily could have won them all let’s hope the bats continue to wake up as they get to come home to Fenway. Let’s hope Hamilton can stabilize ss for now. I love the pitching just hope the rotation stays healthy as there’s no depth there. Interesting to see where we are at the trade deadline could go either way. Will the front office buy if in contention? Similar to 2021 in that maybe the team is a little ahead of schedule.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 8, 2024 6:34:37 GMT -5
I’ve been feeling good watching these games but when I think about it, I'm not that optimistic. We’ve faced middling lineups at best, so the pitching is prolly fooling us a bit. Would love to be wrong on that.
The defensive improvements are due to two guys who were not hitting, and now one of them isn’t playing.
The offense is led by 4-5 good players, most of whom aren’t playing that well, and contains just over replacement level hitters* at CF, DH, C, SS, and every backup spot, though some of them are on hot streaks. Two of the backups are already in every day duty due to injuries. You can only hide a little within platoons.
I guess is the corner OF keep playing like mvps, we’ll be alright on that side of the ball, but otherwise it’s going to take more from 3b, do and 1b as well as value returns from our presumptive starters at 2b and SS to make this offense go even a little.
They’ve been playing great but I’m worried they don’t have the horses. Hope I’m way off.
*I mean replacement level on offense for the position. And I’m exagerating at least a little but I don’t think so much. Also depends how you see Story’s offense, CO vs Bos.
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Post by vokuhila on Apr 8, 2024 6:39:39 GMT -5
Pitching has been OUTSTANDING FIP/xFIP/SIERA sub 3 -> #1 10.46 K/9 -> #2 2.49 BB/9 -> #3 K-BB% 22.0% -> #1 Hitting is inconsistent and reliant on HR, but above average Fielding is scary again Errors 8 -> #8 That alone doesn't sound scary, but of the 24 runs allow 9 were unearned, that's 37.5% unearned runs! Kenley needs to get healthy. He has 5BB in 4IP...most BB on the staff. That's my bottom line after ~6% of the regular season
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Post by asm18 on Apr 8, 2024 7:27:02 GMT -5
Tyler O’Neill
2023: 238 at-bats, 9 home runs 2024: 28 at-bats, 5 home runs
It is early, but if one were pining for a 2021 redux for O’Neill (.286/.352/.560, 36 bombs, 5 WAR) it’s as good of a start as you could hope for.
Interestingly, during that 2021 season O’Neill had a 31.4% K rate, while the last few years it’s dropped to like the mid-20’s. (Right now it’s at 16%). If he’s been able to lower his K rate while getting his power back, and you put him in the hitter friendly park that is Fenway…
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