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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 22, 2013 20:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by hammerhead on May 23, 2013 7:36:29 GMT -5
I thought Morales was getting the re-hab start for Portland, but I could be wrong?
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Post by CMF on May 23, 2013 8:54:44 GMT -5
Henry Owens was supposed to pitch last night. Why isn't he pitching in the doubleheader today? Is he being skipped to give him some rest?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2013 8:56:24 GMT -5
Henry Owens was supposed to pitch last night. Why isn't he pitching in the doubleheader today? Is he being skipped to give him some rest? Yes. He had in fact been pulled from the scheduled start and it was going to be Stroup last night. He's just getting some extra rest and is expected to go this weekend. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2013 9:01:56 GMT -5
I thought Morales was getting the re-hab start for Portland, but I could be wrong? Portland website says Ranaudo, but the game notes, which would be authoritative here, do say Morales, so you're likely right. |
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Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2013 9:07:24 GMT -5
Cingrani is a good challenge for the PawSox, he's one of the better and more polished pitchers in Triple-A. On a team with a starting pitcher stable less deep than the Reds (so, almost everyone) he'd be in the major league rotation. He doesn't get the hype because there really isn't much ace upside there, but he's a good pitcher right now.
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Post by welovewally on May 23, 2013 9:57:04 GMT -5
Jason Varitek in a radio interview in Portland this morning was asked what his official duties were and he replied "I do pretty much whatever Ben tells me to do". I found that funny.
Ross Catching and hitting 3rd.
Morales is starting.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 10:04:38 GMT -5
I thought Morales was getting the re-hab start for Portland, but I could be wrong? Portland website says Ranaudo, but the game notes, which would be authoritative here, do say Morales, so you're likely right. With Morales' rehab assignment coming to an end, it's time to start asking who survives. It's between Mortenson and Wilson in my view. Wilson has options and keeping him around would give the team more pitching depth. It does seem as though Wilson has pitched better of late and is a better long-term talent. The team might be better off keeping him. We are on the cusp of the point of the season where you choose the better pitcher over pitching depth. I really could go either way on this one. |
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Post by iakovos11 on May 23, 2013 10:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by hammerhead on May 23, 2013 11:02:28 GMT -5
Xander with a triple and RBI in his first AB...... Not sure the triple really counts though as it wasn't against a "prospect"
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2013 11:30:31 GMT -5
Nearly missed David Ross rehabbing with Portland as well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2013 11:48:06 GMT -5
Portland website says Ranaudo, but the game notes, which would be authoritative here, do say Morales, so you're likely right. With Morales' rehab assignment coming to an end, it's time to start asking who survives. It's between Mortenson and Wilson in my view. Wilson has options and keeping him around would give the team more pitching depth. It does seem as though Wilson has pitched better of late and is a better long-term talent. The team might be better off keeping him. We are on the cusp of the point of the season where you choose the better pitcher over pitching depth. I really could go either way on this one. Wouldn't assume it's coming to an end all that soon. This rehab started on May 8 (they had to have re-started it, as his Greenville start was April 17), and pitcher rehabs can be 30 days. He doesn't have to be activated until June 6. That gives him the opportunity to make two more starts, assuming he's going to continue getting stretched out. The only source I've found saying this is his last rehab start is Over the Monster, but Marc Normandin didn't cite to anything saying as much, so I'm not going to assume they're going to activate him after this one. Did I miss it elsewhere? (entirely possible, btw) He'll be done after 5 ip/77 pitches today. My guess is they're re-evaluate whether they want him up now in the bullpen, up now to replace Doubront (who, by the way, he's not lined up with at all. Felix pitches on Sunday, so Morales would have something like 8 days of rest), or if they want him to make one more rehab start and evaluate again then. Unless he's definitely going to the bullpen, it is probably worth one more rehab start even just to line him up better and get the pitch count up. I'd be surprised if he came up now, only stretched out to 80 pitches, to start. If he's going to relieve, then yeah, might as well bring him up, unless they feel he needs to get used to relieving in the minors first, but it doesn't sound like that's on the table. As for moonstone's question, the move is definitely Wilson. Even in August, the difference between Wilson and Mortensen wouldn't be big enough to justify cutting Mortensen. What if Bailey (or, to be fair, another reliever, but let's be real here...) gets hurt again in a week? |
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Post by hammerhead on May 23, 2013 12:13:03 GMT -5
With Morales' rehab assignment coming to an end, it's time to start asking who survives. It's between Mortenson and Wilson in my view. Wilson has options and keeping him around would give the team more pitching depth. It does seem as though Wilson has pitched better of late and is a better long-term talent. The team might be better off keeping him. We are on the cusp of the point of the season where you choose the better pitcher over pitching depth. I really could go either way on this one. As for moonstone's question, the move is definitely Wilson. Even in August, the difference between Wilson and Mortensen wouldn't be big enough to justify cutting Mortensen. What if Bailey (or, to be fair, another reliever, but let's be real here...) gets hurt again in a week? I'm not sure that's fair to "another reliever" |
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Post by widewordofsport on May 23, 2013 14:31:50 GMT -5
"Xander with a triple and RBI in his first AB...... Not sure the triple really counts though as it wasn't against a "prospect""
Actually it was...
If you want to prove my hypothesis wrong, feel free. Find some statistics which stratify prospect stats and are not predictive of future MLB success. I'd love to see if the theory is right or wrong. Right now you just sound like a baby. I have a testable hypothesis and your response is to blabber on like you're defending pitcher wins/RBI.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2013 14:40:44 GMT -5
"Xander with a triple and RBI in his first AB...... Not sure the triple really counts though as it wasn't against a "prospect"" Actually it was... If you want to prove my hypothesis wrong, feel free. Find some statistics which stratify prospect stats and are not predictive of future MLB success. I'd love to see if the theory is right or wrong. Right now you just sound like a baby. I have a testable hypothesis and your response is to blabber on like you're defending pitcher wins/RBI. why don't you test your own hypothesis? |
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Post by shumbly on May 23, 2013 14:50:58 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks Huntzininger is going to be an effective major league reliever down the line?
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Post by widewordofsport on May 23, 2013 15:09:05 GMT -5
"why don't you test your own hypothesis?"
Because I'm not the one insisting on it being right or wrong... just that it was an idea and I wish the data were available. I don't have the data mining capabilities, but I'm more than happy to collaborate if someone wants to test it. I think it's an interesting concept that at least deserves logical response instead of snark. At least in this forum.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 15:53:55 GMT -5
For some reason I thought it was 20.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 23, 2013 16:26:14 GMT -5
"why don't you test your own hypothesis?" Because I'm not the one insisting on it being right or wrong... just that it was an idea and I wish the data were available. I don't have the data mining capabilities, but I'm more than happy to collaborate if someone wants to test it. I think it's an interesting concept that at least deserves logical response instead of snark. At least in this forum. I think the problem is how do you classify the pitchers one gets hist off? If you're counting prospects only, how are you measuring that? Top20 from each team? Whose ranking system? Or top100 in all MiLB? Not many hits going to count. And again whose list are you working with? Do you count a hit off Pedro Martinez on a rehab assignment? How about a hit off (name the worst MLB starting pitcher you can think of) on a rehab assignment? What about the 26 yrold in AA who isn't really a prospect but has advanced pitchability and can get most AA hitters out? I just think it's an impossible task. In the end, all AA hitters will face good pitchers and bad pitchers. Over time it evens out relatively well. That's why everyone here harps on sss when appropriate. I think looking production, sabermetric stats, and scouting reports are going to give you a pretty good picture of a prospect. Most scouts agree that free swingers with no late discipline will struggle when they face MLB pitching day in and day out - even though they rip through the Eastern League (that was pretty much the concensus regarding Josh Reddick, IIRC - and where the majority opinion lies with Brentz right now, notwithstanding some of the irrational love he gets from some & wihtout accounting for the possibility that he's working on some things to improve his weaknesses. It can happen). It's not perfect. If it was, we wouldn't trade prospects that go on to have stellar MLB careers for 1/2 year rentals of relief pitchers. |
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Post by jonasi on May 23, 2013 16:27:10 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on May 23, 2013 16:40:10 GMT -5
iakovos11... excellent reply. The biggest problem with stratification is dilution of sample sizes. And doing it as a retrospective vs. prospective cohort is going to have a problem (do you pick guys who made it and then go back, or go by a prospect list. In general, I'd probably say top half/bottom half, but good luck dividing it.
I wonder if a better predictor is ability to hit breaking balls vs. fastballs, but again... a RDLR fastball is harder to hit than a crappy curveball. Appreciate the thoughts on it though, and I wish it was more realistic to study. I do think there is a wealth of unknown predictors of MLB success, because we aren't doing a great job (IMO) at predicting it right now. Professional experience, age, and trends all play an important role.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 23, 2013 16:43:08 GMT -5
8 BB+H for Morales (3K) in 5 IP. Anyone see/hear how he looked? I was a little (happily) surprised they are still giving him a chance to start. If Doubrant can continue to look passable, shouldn't it be Morales or Aceves as SP depth, and the other as RP? Trade bait? Are they looking to start Morales and get Doubrant in the pen? For better or worse, the other four spots are set barring injury, and with Webster, should only need one as a SP.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 23, 2013 18:34:37 GMT -5
8 BB+H for Morales (3K) in 5 IP. Anyone see/hear how he looked? I was a little (happily) surprised they are still giving him a chance to start. If Doubrant can continue to look passable, shouldn't it be Morales or Aceves as SP depth, and the other as RP? Trade bait? Are they looking to start Morales and get Doubrant in the pen? For better or worse, the other four spots are set barring injury, and with Webster, should only need one as a SP. According to Mike Antonellis in his broadcast, consistent 88-90 fastball topping out at 91 with good command of all of his pitches. |
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Post by widewordofsport on May 23, 2013 18:40:28 GMT -5
Two more walks for Garin. I'm not for rushing guys, but almost start to wonder if you have to promote him soon just because he won't get anything to hit. You don't want a guy to get frustrated and alter approach/expand zone (I don't think).
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Post by iakovos11 on May 23, 2013 19:17:13 GMT -5
Another rough start for Kukuk, but he got NO help from his defense
BB, BB, BB, SacFly, error, error, error, Pop out, HBP, single - pitching change
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