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Post by soxin8 on Sept 6, 2012 15:44:39 GMT -5
Their list came out today. X is 35, Barnes 42, Bradley 45, Brentz 78, Webster 80.
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Post by remember04 on Sept 6, 2012 17:06:47 GMT -5
Clearly we shouldn't draft anybody next year whose name either first or last doesn't start with a B. I don't know where Webster came from
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Post by curll on Sept 6, 2012 17:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by jt44 on Sept 6, 2012 17:48:19 GMT -5
Mayo's real high on Brentz. Has he been on any other Top 100 lists? I don't remember seeing him on one before.
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Post by buffs4444 on Sept 6, 2012 17:48:52 GMT -5
There are some others on this list who were associated with us in some way in the past, but Grandal still hurts for me. Really wish there was a push to sign Yasmani before he went to "The U"....
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Post by psusox14 on Sept 6, 2012 19:23:17 GMT -5
There are some others on this list who were associated with us in some way in the past, but Grandal still hurts for me. Really wish there was a push to sign Yasmani before he went to "The U".... Oh man just think we could've potentially had Justin Grimm, Pedro Alvarez, Brandon Belt, Grandal, and Alex Meyer in addition to the farm we have now. Ugh that would have been incredible! |
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Post by marti427 on Sept 6, 2012 20:47:21 GMT -5
No workman in the top 20 by team? Hmmm
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Post by soxcentral on Sept 6, 2012 22:45:52 GMT -5
Oh man just think we could've potentially had Justin Grimm, Pedro Alvarez, Brandon Belt, Grandal, and Alex Meyer in addition to the farm we have now. Ugh that would have been incredible! Agreed, and Casey Kelly is in there too. |
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Post by jeremynofakerbaker on Sept 7, 2012 2:58:04 GMT -5
jason castro , anthony rizzo and matt laporta just to add a few more
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 7, 2012 8:52:49 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that there are 34 better prospects than Xander, then again, I never do pay attention to Mayo's lists.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 7, 2012 10:00:55 GMT -5
Great to see that we have 5 prospects in the grouping...but sad to see with a depleted ML team, our best rated prospect is only 35th!...and not a guy that was even drafted.
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Post by jioh on Sept 7, 2012 10:38:43 GMT -5
No workman in the top 20 by team? Hmmm But they do have Celestino, ranked #51 on soxprospects, where Workman is #13. Ranking by height? |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Sept 7, 2012 13:04:18 GMT -5
You got to love a list that ranks Hak Ju Lee ahead of Anthony Rendon and Yasmani Grandal. Also I am not quite sure what to make of them leaving Jorge Soler at 77. I would take him over most of the outfielders on the list without thinking twice.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 7, 2012 14:17:52 GMT -5
and not a guy that was even drafted. Why is that significant? The #1 guy on the list wasn't drafted either. |
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Post by jioh on Sept 7, 2012 15:33:40 GMT -5
and not a guy that was even drafted. Why is that significant? The #1 guy on the list wasn't drafted either. I think he means that our drafts have not produced a guy ranked higher than 42 (who is still playing for us) |
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Post by bobbythefifth on Sept 7, 2012 17:44:11 GMT -5
did mayo just flat out forget about owens in the top 20 org rankings? anyone else think thats strange?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 7, 2012 20:01:33 GMT -5
did mayo just flat out forget about owens in the top 20 org rankings? anyone else think thats strange? I also found this quite disturbing. Mayo's pretty bad at his job. |
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Post by raftsox on Sept 7, 2012 21:03:03 GMT -5
Wait: Vitek is the 13th best prospect in the system?! Damn you for lying to us Mellen.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 7, 2012 21:39:16 GMT -5
did mayo just flat out forget about owens in the top 20 org rankings? anyone else think thats strange? Owens had an ERA near 5.00 and turned 20 in July. The national guys don't get as many chances to see prospects from every team, so if someone throws a stinker and doesn't have a stat line that jumps out at you, it's reasonable for a scout to come away unimpressed. I (deeply) disagree that Owens should be outside the top 20, just offering the likely explanation. |
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Post by dmaineah on Sept 7, 2012 22:42:26 GMT -5
Maybe we just value the players in our organization to high
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Post by jeremynofakerbaker on Sept 8, 2012 1:09:45 GMT -5
I believe mayo goes on stats only. This explains some of the reason certain players like soler dropped(limited sample ABs).
Lists are ranked on potential and performance both correct? If so Henry Owens has a very high ceiling and should be included. his K rate as a 19-20 year old in the SAL was crazy.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 8, 2012 9:14:09 GMT -5
He has Xander #7 overall in the top SS's rankings. I might be biased, but he should be #3 behind Profar and Machado.
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Post by remember04 on Sept 8, 2012 9:25:52 GMT -5
He has Xander #7 overall in the top SS's rankings. I might be biased, but he should be #3 behind Profar and Machado. I tend to think I agree but playing devils advocate Profar will stay at SS and I believe Machado should for a while too. Its just pretty much assumed Xander won't |
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 8, 2012 10:18:44 GMT -5
and not a guy that was even drafted. Why is that significant? The #1 guy on the list wasn't drafted either. IMO it is significant for a number of reasons. 1. A major emphasis of ownership (over many years) has been to build thru the draft. We have a lousy current ML team reflecting a non-competitive talent level. 2. Our best prospect in the rating is 35th and came from the international arena where we have seemingly under-performed many of our competitors for a long time. Under current conditions, this is an unlikely source for consistent help. 3. Despite the draft emphasis and an out-sized financial ability to accomplish the goal, our best drafted prospect in the cited survey is 42nd. There are 30 teams in the major leagues. One might reasonably expect that we would have at least one in the top 30 all things being equal. Having had more money to spend than most of our brethren, one might even hope for more. 4. Looking at the cumulative minor league records for 2012, (and understanding that development is the focus not necessarily wins) elicits not even a muffled roar. 5. Ownership is not expected to spend freely in the free agent market and the talent level for 2013 in that arena is light in any case. |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Sept 8, 2012 12:25:26 GMT -5
Sarasoxer;
1) Our current team has played terribly, but how does that reflect on this teams ability to draft. Yes teams that draft poorly often struggle to have good MLB squads, but this is not always the case. Nor is the draft the only path to success ie: The Phillies). Bad contracts, under-performing veterans, a cultural malaise in the clubhouse, lack of flexibility forcing management to overpay for relievers, and a mountain of bad luck is why we had such a terrible season.
2) Our best prospect will almost certainly be a top 25 prospect according to other lists. Aside from that, these lists while fun, do little to actually show the value or predict the future success of individual prospects.
But if you want to base you opinions on the state of the our Farm system on what one guy thinks, I would recommend going with someone who does not think that Kolbin Vitek is a significantly better prospect than Henry Owens or one that ranks Bryce Brentz and Jorge Soler similarly.
You are right that we have underperformed other teams in the IFA market, but it is not like we doing nothing in that market. We may not be the Rangers, but we still sign highly talented youth from LA and Asia. I just think that we are less willing to place high stakes bets on the big prospects because there is no way accurately project 16 year olds. Going forward this will likely be a strength.
3) Where does this list rank Anthony Rizzo, Miles Head, and Casey Kelly.? If the A-Gon deal never happens we have 7 players (no Webster) in the top one hundred- which is odd because one would reasonably expect every team to have 3.3 prospects in the top 100.
4) Are you seriously pointing out the records of our Minor League affiliates?
5) I thought we were talking about the draft and our minor league system.
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