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SoxProspects.com 2013 Mock Draft - Final Mock, with notes
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Post by mainesox on Jun 5, 2013 21:10:20 GMT -5
McGuire is a defense first catcher who has a chance to hit; that's a good player - and he's ranked 10th by Baseball America - but he's the type of player the Sox can sometimes get where they usually pick (he's a bit safer because his defense is more refined, but he has a somewhat similar overall projection to Swihart).
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Post by edwardcc on Jun 5, 2013 22:36:11 GMT -5
McGuire is a defense first catcher who has a chance to hit; that's a good player - and he's ranked 10th by Baseball America - but he's the type of player the Sox can sometimes get where they usually pick (he's a bit safer because his defense is more refined, but he has a somewhat similar overall projection to Swihart). Is that true? I think of them as opposite players. Swihart has good hit tool and projection on the defensive side and McGuire has good defense with projection on the hit side.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 5, 2013 23:05:29 GMT -5
McGuire is a defense first catcher who has a chance to hit; that's a good player - and he's ranked 10th by Baseball America - but he's the type of player the Sox can sometimes get where they usually pick (he's a bit safer because his defense is more refined, but he has a somewhat similar overall projection to Swihart). Is that true? I think of them as opposite players. Swihart has good hit tool and projection on the defensive side and McGuire has good defense with projection on the hit side. I probably worded it poorly, but what I meant was their ceilings/projections are similar; at draft time Swihart was a more advanced hitter but projected to above average defense while McGuire is a more advanced defender who projects to an above average hitter - if they both meet their projections they are both above average hitters with above average defense. Maybe it's a bad example, I don't know, but basically he's someone they could potentially get in the 20s in another draft, so I don't see them being particularly interested in him here.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2013 1:15:39 GMT -5
Interesting that you mention Smith. Smith is a name I have been batting around in my mind for a few days. Plus makeup, sweet lefty swing, plus defense. Fits a need. While I don't like drafting 1B early in drafts, I have come around on Smith and wouldn't be shocked if the Red Sox plucked him over Frazier and Meadows. That is exactly how I feel. Smith has the power and hit combination, is a plus defender at first with a plus-plus arm. Then again he is a high school first baseman. There was a pretty good HS 1B drafted 1st overall in 2000 that sounds similar. I cannot for the life of me find a scouting report from back then. I'm sure he was a way safer pick though and probably had higher marks. Another aspect that I haven't heard discussed - what if we can get him for under slot at 7? And how likely might that be?
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 6, 2013 3:58:21 GMT -5
That is exactly how I feel. Smith has the power and hit combination, is a plus defender at first with a plus-plus arm. Then again he is a high school first baseman. There was a pretty good HS 1B drafted 1st overall in 2000 that sounds similar. I cannot for the life of me find a scouting report from back then. I'm sure he was a way safer pick though and probably had higher marks. Another aspect that I haven't heard discussed - what if we can get him for under slot at 7? And how likely might that be? True, but i just looked through, and by my estimation, the last 1b drafted in the first round to be worthy of the pick was Prince Fielder 11 years ago. Too early to tell on CJ Cron, and Ike Davis and Yonder Alonso have been okay so far, they could take a step forward. But other than that there have been a lot of busts. Its really hard to project any hitter to be absolutely dominant, and if you are gonna play 1b you have to be, so any 1b in the first round has to be a damn prolific prospect. Especially if he is a high schooler.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 6, 2013 5:29:30 GMT -5
I am not on the Tellez bandwagon. Why is Reese McGuire not in the discussion at all? Unless you really really like him like the Twins might he's a bit of an overdraft at 7 and will never make it to 45.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 6, 2013 6:53:59 GMT -5
Peter Gammons?@pgammo 11h Draft is so unpredictable that it appears the 'Stros and Cubs @1-2 are in quandaries, and teams think the Rockies @3 go 1B Dominic Smith.
That could help the Red Sox as it would mean that Bryant would slide down for the Twins to pick him at the #4 slot. Here's hoping the Indians pick Moran and then the Marlins pick one of McGuire, Frazier or Meadows. That would leave Stewart there for the Red Sox.
This is the time to be bold and pick the high upside, high schoool players earlier in the draft as the Red Sox will hopefully not be picking this high again for many years.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 6, 2013 7:47:58 GMT -5
I probably worded it poorly, but what I meant was their ceilings/projections are similar; at draft time Swihart was a more advanced hitter but projected to above average defense while McGuire is a more advanced defender who projects to an above average hitter - if they both meet their projections they are both above average hitters with above average defense. Maybe it's a bad example, I don't know, but basically he's someone they could potentially get in the 20s in another draft, so I don't see them being particularly interested in him here. Swihart was someone whose bat projected to play anywhere on the field, with the upside that he might possibly stick at catcher. McGuire is someone who should definitely stick at catcher, with the upside that he might possibly hit above average. McGuire is someone who likely goes in the top 15 in any draft, as the top HS catcher. I don't see the Red Sox drafting him, though.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 6, 2013 7:57:05 GMT -5
There was a pretty good HS 1B drafted 1st overall in 2000 that sounds similar. I cannot for the life of me find a scouting report from back then. I'm sure he was a way safer pick though and probably had higher marks. Another aspect that I haven't heard discussed - what if we can get him for under slot at 7? And how likely might that be? Per minorleagueball.com Adrian Gonzalez was drafted by the Florida Marlins in the first round, first overall, in the 2000 draft. Gonzalez was considered the best pure hitter in the high school ranks, with quick wrists, a great swing, and strong plate discipline. There was some question about how much home run power he would develop, but considering his youth (along with his sharp defensive skills at first base) he was not considered an overdraft at first overall in a relatively weak draft class. My guess is that you could get Smith under slot at 7. They would effectively need to reach out to his advisors and see if he'd sign for $2.92mm (the #10 slot). That would be approx. $325k under slot. I wouldn't see much more of a discount than that.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 6, 2013 13:04:50 GMT -5
Any chance Chris Anderson makes it to #45? Also, if you're picking, Amfox, do you go Frazier or Meadows (or Dominic Smith) - assuming Stewart and Morna are gone? You posted some key questions about Frazier and Meadows in another thread. What are the pertinent answers to those questions that lead you to your decision? I don't think so. Anderson becomes an option for teams starting in the early 20s and I don't think he'll drop all the way to #45. Following up on this, PG/BPro has Anderson going at #20 to the Tigers. Which, with the way Detroit promotes its pitchers, would put him in the majors by mid-August.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 6, 2013 14:03:43 GMT -5
I didn't think he'd drop that far, but I have seen some mocks where it didn't make round 1. Just curious if those more in tune to the draft had a better sense. I'd love to get him at #45.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 6, 2013 14:26:04 GMT -5
I didn't think he'd drop that far, but I have seen some mocks where it didn't make round 1. Just curious if those more in tune to the draft had a better sense. I'd love to get him at #45. I stand by what I said yesterday. He's in the 2nd tier of college pitchers (with Stanek, Gonzalez, Gonzales, Crawford and Blair). One of the six may make it to #45 but it almost assuredly won't be Stanek or Anderson.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 14:49:48 GMT -5
I didn't think he'd drop that far, but I have seen some mocks where it didn't make round 1. Just curious if those more in tune to the draft had a better sense. I'd love to get him at #45. I stand by what I said yesterday. He's in the 2nd tier of college pitchers (with Stanek, Gonzalez, Gonzales, Crawford and Blair). One of the six may make it to #45 but it almost assuredly won't be Stanek or Anderson. I can't see Gonzales making it to 45 either. He lacks upside, but is close to MLB ready one of the very good teams in late first will take him.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 6, 2013 15:56:43 GMT -5
I'm feeling 1st - Frazier/Meadows 2nd - Wahl 3rd - Tellez I am not on the Tellez bandwagon. why not? The guy's hit/power tool is some of the best in the high school class. Obviously his defensive position/body type aren't great, but sometimes thats why you can get such a great hit/power tool with this upside outside of the first and maybe even second round. As for McGuire....I have serous doubts about his ability to hit down the road, and I think thats too much of a gamble at No.7.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jun 6, 2013 16:18:49 GMT -5
Ok, as I promised in other thread here's my draft board for the 2nd pick onwards:
Pat Blair - SS/Wake Forest Alex Balog - RHP/San Francisco Jacob Brentz - LHP/Missouri HS Tony Bryant - RHP/Oregon State Dale Carey - OF/Miami Dan Child - RHP/OSU Luke Crumley - RHP/Georgia LB Dantzler - 3B/South Carolina Scott Frazier - RHP/Pepperdine Stephen Gon(ç)alves - LHP/California HS Hunter Green - RHP/Kentucky HS Jason Hursh - RHP/Oklahoma State JaCoby Jones - 2B/LSU Lonnie Kauppila - SS/Stanford Corey Knebel - RHP/Texas Matt Krook - LHP/Kentucky HS Joey Martarano - 3B/Idaho HS Kyle Martin - RHP/Texas A&M Mike Mayers - RHP/Mississippi Terry McClure - OF/Georgia HS Casey Meisner - RHP/Texas HS Trey Michalczewski - 3B/Oklahoma HS Andrew Mitchell - RHP/TCU Evan Mitchell - RHP/Mississippi State Jordan Paroubeck - OF/California HS Brian Ragira - 1B/Stanford Cody Reed - Northwest Mississippi CC Carlos Salazar - RHP/California HS Cord Sandberg - OF/Florida HS John Simms - RHP/Rice Andrew Thurman - RHP/UC Irvine Riley Unroe - SS/Arizona HS Bobby Wahl - RHP/Mississippi Justin Williams - OF/Louisiana HS
Started with a huge list of players I liked and then started cutting as the year went along and better reports came out. Last week has been spent on taking out players that have been consistently been projected in the 1st round like Clarkin, Anderson, Wilson and others. Note that some of the players are seniors for the 6-10th round picks. If we need to take seniors might as better get some who can actually be something.
Dream came through first 4 rounds:
Frazier Wahl Paroubeck JaCoby Jones
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 6, 2013 16:27:54 GMT -5
I will be locking this thread in about an hour, FYI.
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