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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2013 14:14:42 GMT -5
BOLDT!!!! I know it's probably not that realistic but if they could sign Boldt and Sheffield that would AWESOME!
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Post by azblue on Jun 8, 2013 14:15:26 GMT -5
Any team that exceeds its pool by 0 to 5% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 5% but less than 10% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 10% but less than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick AND loses a second round draft pick. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND lose two first round draft picks.
We should assume that the Sox would go up an additional $% if needed which provides $341,510 in addition to any savings in first 10 rounds to apply toward offers to Sheffield/Boldt/et al.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 8, 2013 14:15:31 GMT -5
There is your Alex Bregman of this draft. Good summer, injured spring falls under the new rules the Red Sox can't sign him. Will Boldt have as quick an impact in college baseball as Bregman did? we'll see.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 14:15:58 GMT -5
The absolute most I could see the Red Sox coming up with to sign Boldt would be close to 1 million.
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Post by boomer on Jun 8, 2013 14:16:18 GMT -5
Red Sox take Reed Gragnani whom they previously selected 3 years ago. More of a possibility to sign than high ceiling still available Connor who, like other top HS draftees because of Virginia's program, more often than not will opt for Brian O'Connor's top notch ACC team. Gragnani is a fundamentally sound overachiever, like many Virginia players, who will display hustle and good awareness. He averted an error by getting a fielder's choice on a muffed line drive as I am typing this watching the Charlottesville Super Regional.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jun 8, 2013 14:18:01 GMT -5
That just made things tantalizing. At least they can have a serious talk and see what is or is not possible. At this point, why not!
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Post by ramireja on Jun 8, 2013 14:19:13 GMT -5
Such a tease to see Boldt's name next to Red Sox logo
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 14:19:39 GMT -5
He was asking 2.5 million before the draft. Won't sign unless he likes the Sox a lot.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 14:22:34 GMT -5
The only way Boldt signs if the Red Sox just say F it and pay these kids whatever they want.. They will lose two first round picks.. but could justify it if they value the kids highly. With Ellsbury they will get some picks next year..
but no way they Red Sox will do it, just spit-balling.
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Post by rasimon on Jun 8, 2013 14:24:26 GMT -5
BOLDT!!!! I know it's probably not that realistic but if they could sign Boldt and Sheffield that would AWESOME! if they could sign Boldt alone that would be awesome. Will he sign for $1MM?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 14:25:29 GMT -5
Jimmy Allen 2b, Cal State Poly BA #300
MLB.com: After a big sophomore campaign, Allen entered this year with high expectations. But he slumped much of the spring before getting back on track in the season's final month. When he's at his best, Allen makes a lot of contact with his compact right-handed swing. He has below-average power and is unlikely to ever develop much. Allen doesn't fit the third base profile and a team may try him at second base or in the outfield, where he played as a freshman. Allen has a solid arm and is athletic enough to make moving to either position possible.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 14:25:33 GMT -5
Jimmy Allen, 2b, Cal Poly .. #300 on the BA top 500..
Red Sox taking a lot of high ceiling guys.. not sure what the strategy is
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Post by rangoon82 on Jun 8, 2013 14:26:46 GMT -5
Any team that exceeds its pool by 0 to 5% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage. A large revenue team like the Red Sox should should be paying this penalty every year.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 14:28:42 GMT -5
Maybe trying to squeeze out as many signings for 100K as possible, that will not count against the pool?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 14:29:09 GMT -5
Jimmy Allen, 2b, Cal Poly .. #300 on the BA top 500.. Red Sox taking a lot of high ceiling guys.. not sure what the strategy is Signing them all, obviously.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 14:30:35 GMT -5
Maybe trying to squeeze out as many signings for 100K as possible, that will not count against the pool? Yea I think thats part of it, but alot of these kids will probably want more than that.. maybe they offer a 2-3 of these kids 250-300 and the first ones to say yes get it.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 8, 2013 14:32:37 GMT -5
Maybe there disappointed about last year and trying to make it up this year. They can oversign. There gonna get extra picks a few contracts are gonna be up in the next 2 years.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2013 14:37:36 GMT -5
The only way Boldt signs if the Red Sox just say F it and pay these kids whatever they want.. They will lose two first round picks.. but could justify it if they value the kids highly. With Ellsbury they will get some picks next year.. but no way they Red Sox will do it, just spit-balling. If the sox WERE going to do that then they mine as well sign them all, and draft all the signability guys they can. Of course this in no way is going to happen.... <--- shakes fist at Bud Selig.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 14:37:42 GMT -5
Jantzen Witte is ranked the 108th best prospect in the state of Texas by BA.
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 8, 2013 14:39:40 GMT -5
Any team that exceeds its pool by 0 to 5% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 5% but less than 10% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 10% but less than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick AND loses a second round draft pick. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND lose two first round draft picks.We should assume that the Sox would go up an additional $% if needed which provides $341,510 in addition to any savings in first 10 rounds to apply toward offers to Sheffield/Boldt/et al. So assuming the above information, would it be worthwhile for a big market team to take the very best talent available on every single pick, overpay for all of them, forfeit the two first rounders, and come away with 45 of the top 250 players in the draft? I am sure the commisioner's office would be pissed, but technically it isn't against the rules. Conceivably, assuming your scouts do a good job, a draft like that could land a team a dozen or so impact players and change the landscape of a franchise. Yes or No?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 14:40:22 GMT -5
The only way Boldt signs if the Red Sox just say F it and pay these kids whatever they want.. They will lose two first round picks.. but could justify it if they value the kids highly. With Ellsbury they will get some picks next year.. but no way they Red Sox will do it, just spit-balling. If the sox WERE going to do that then they mine as well sign them all, and draft all the signability guys they can. Of course this in no way is going to happen..... That would certainly be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 14:41:17 GMT -5
BOLDT!!!! I know it's probably not that realistic but if they could sign Boldt and Sheffield that would AWESOME! Boldt has some serious injury concerns and the Sox if they want to give him money will have to give him a serious medical work up. However, if you could sign both Boldt and Sheffield and let Denney go to college wouldn't you have to at least consider that? As far as Boldt wanting $2.5M. If you are 18 years old and have a bum knee how exactly can you in good conscience turn down life changing money? There is an excellent chance that will never be offered a check that large again.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 8, 2013 14:44:30 GMT -5
What counts towards the cap in the later rounds? The full amount if they go over $100,000 or only the overage?
For example, if a player signs for $100,001, does the full amount count towards the cap or just $1?
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 8, 2013 14:45:06 GMT -5
The Blue Jays drafted Christian Vazquez and the Rays drafted John Farrell - I didn't know we can do that
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2013 14:47:40 GMT -5
BOLDT!!!! I know it's probably not that realistic but if they could sign Boldt and Sheffield that would AWESOME! Boldt has some serious injury concerns and the Sox if they want to give him money will have to give him a serious medical work up. However, if you could sign both Boldt and Sheffield and let Denney go to college wouldn't you have to at least consider that? As far as Boldt wanting $2.5M. If you are 18 years old and have a bum knee how exactly can you in good conscience turn down life changing money? There is an excellent chance that will never be offered a check that large again. The most realistic view is that they sign 2 out of 3 of those guys. You have to think some guys are willing to come down on their numbers, and they throw a number out there for negotiating purposes. But who knows how much that is; maybe it's 1 million maybe it's 100,000. Boldt wants 2.5, would he take 1 million? I guess the safe answer is no but even if he would I don't think we could move enough money to sign all three guys.
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