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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 8, 2013 14:48:34 GMT -5
BOLDT!!!! I know it's probably not that realistic but if they could sign Boldt and Sheffield that would AWESOME! Boldt has some serious injury concerns and the Sox if they want to give him money will have to give him a serious medical work up. However, if you could sign both Boldt and Sheffield and let Denney go to college wouldn't you have to at least consider that?As far as Boldt wanting $2.5M. If you are 18 years old and have a bum knee how exactly can you in good conscience turn down life changing money? There is an excellent chance that will never be offered a check that large again. The obvious issue is that they would lose the $671,200 associated with the pick. Even if they sign Denney, and maintain that money, it's hard to see a scenario where Boston would be able to free up $2+ mil to sign Boldt, even if they pass on Sheffield. Actually the only way it is plausible is if Ball gets ~$2 mil, but that isn't happening. Regardless, a 23rd round pick holds such little value that picking Boldt is very exciting.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 14:50:02 GMT -5
Beauprez is ranked as the 6th best prospect in Colorado by BA.
MLB.com: At 6-foot-5, 215 pounds, Beauprez has an ideal pitcher's frame, but also has room to add more weight. He already has a great fastball that will sit in the low to mid 90s with great movement. He has also shown good feel for his curveball and his changeup, both of which could be above average in the future. Beauprez has all the intangibles you want on the mound with great poise, aggressiveness and command. The only thing that may cause Beauprez to fall in the Draft is his strong commitment to Miami.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2013 14:50:43 GMT -5
The only way Boldt signs if the Red Sox just say F it and pay these kids whatever they want.. They will lose two first round picks.. but could justify it if they value the kids highly. With Ellsbury they will get some picks next year.. but no way they Red Sox will do it, just spit-balling. If the sox WERE going to do that then they mine as well sign them all, and draft all the signability guys they can. Of course this in no way is going to happen.... <--- shakes fist at Bud Selig. Can I point out that even before the new CBA we drafted a lot of these guys with no intentions of signing them all. We had our own imaginary bonus pool that maybe we would cross and maybe we wouldn't but we never planned on taking them all. If we didn't plan on doing it when the only penalties were the money spent we sure as hell aren't doing it with loss of draft picks involved.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2013 14:50:48 GMT -5
Another tough sign - Derik Beauprez, RHP, Cherry Creek HS (CO)
At 6-foot-5, 215 pounds, Beauprez has an ideal pitcher's frame, but also has room to add more weight. He already has a great fastball that will sit in the low to mid 90s with great movement. He has also shown good feel for his curveball and his changeup, both of which could be above average in the future. Beauprez has all the intangibles you want on the mound with great poise, aggressiveness and command. The only thing that may cause Beauprez to fall in the Draft is his strong commitment to Miami.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2013 14:51:42 GMT -5
What counts towards the cap in the later rounds? The full amount if they go over $100,000 or only the overage? For example, if a player signs for $100,001, does the full amount count towards the cap or just $1? I remember this question being asked last year too, and I'm not sure we ever came up with an answer.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2013 14:53:30 GMT -5
What counts towards the cap in the later rounds? The full amount if they go over $100,000 or only the overage? For example, if a player signs for $100,001, does the full amount count towards the cap or just $1? only the overage. If you pay 150,000 then its 50,000 towards the pool.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 8, 2013 14:56:37 GMT -5
What counts towards the cap in the later rounds? The full amount if they go over $100,000 or only the overage? For example, if a player signs for $100,001, does the full amount count towards the cap or just $1? The Sox's bonus pool is $6,830,200 which is also the sum of the pool amount of their first 10 picks. With that info, you can conclude that any bonus of <=$100,000 would not count against the cap, so yes, only the overage of $1 would count.
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Post by jmei on Jun 8, 2013 14:58:52 GMT -5
BOLDT!!!! I know it's probably not that realistic but if they could sign Boldt and Sheffield that would AWESOME! Boldt has some serious injury concerns and the Sox if they want to give him money will have to give him a serious medical work up. However, if you could sign both Boldt and Sheffield and let Denney go to college wouldn't you have to at least consider that? As far as Boldt wanting $2.5M. If you are 18 years old and have a bum knee how exactly can you in good conscience turn down life changing money? There is an excellent chance that will never be offered a check that large again. They're going to play these guys off one another, knowing that at least some of them really want to start their pro careers. The signing period will be really interesting this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 15:03:12 GMT -5
AZ I see what you are saying. In fact, I've made similar posts myself. However we are fortunate that there is a lot of information about these players from both a scouting and historical perspective.
Trey Ball has a lot of things to like. He's competitive extremely athletic throws hard and is left handed. He also apparently can throw a changeup with is my favorite breaking pitch and appeared to have a coach that cared about his pro-future. No 200 pitch outings for him.
The problem is that he's still a high school pitcher. High school pitchers can be extremely risky to begin with. They don't have the same experience against higher level competition and are so young that they can very easily become different pitchers when they face the professional game. Heck, the kid has probably never been away from home for more than a week.
In Ball's case, he's not from a high talent warm weather area like Texas or California, he's from Indiana where the competition is not as strong. Further, this spring was apparently awful weather-wise in the mid west. It's likely that they Sox and other teams did not get to scout Ball as much as they did Meadows or Shipley. It's fair to say that he's riskier than a normal high school player.
Yes we haven't seen Ball in person or worked him out and even if we did we'd probably not evaluate him as well as the professionals do. However, that doesn't mean that this isn't a very risky pick. It was probably a riskier pick than Meadows or Shipley.
Time will tell if this risk is justified and if the Sox have properly evaluated said risk. But fans should be aware of what they did. Of all the potential players to take, they took the one most likely to be a zero. It's more risk than I personally feel they should take.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2013 15:04:54 GMT -5
Realistically we can hope for Boldt + Denney or Sheffield + Denney. Denney/Sheffield being the most likely. Regardless this will make for an exciting signing period.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 15:07:07 GMT -5
Let's put it this way. If you were my son and you told me you were turning down a $1 million dollar check to play baseball, I would ask if you'd been drinking.
There aren't a whole lot of players who will turn down a seven figure check.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jun 8, 2013 15:07:50 GMT -5
Also exciting is that the majority of the upper level talent in the most part is high school level guys. Even some of the college lower signings are intriguing. I'm very excited about this draft class.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 15:08:55 GMT -5
I'm going to make a Boldt prediction and say he signs.
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Post by danr on Jun 8, 2013 15:12:13 GMT -5
Would the Sox waste a draft choice on a player like Boldt if they thought he would stick to a $2.5 million demand? Isn't it likely that there has been some contact, directly or indirectly, that has provided some insight into what he really would accept?
In other words, why would they draft him if they knew there was no chance of signing him?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2013 15:12:23 GMT -5
I wish someone paid me a million dollars to not go to college
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 15:14:06 GMT -5
As well they should.
Which is still something they should at least consider. Again if there is a limited amount of over slot guys you can sign, I'd prefer that they didn't go overslot with a high school catcher. They do have five weeks to evaluate their options further.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2013 15:14:25 GMT -5
Would the Sox waste a draft choice on a player like Boldt if they thought he would stick to a $2.5 million demand? Isn't it likely that there has been some contact, directly or indirectly, that has provided some insight into what he really would accept? In other words, why would they draft him if they knew there was no chance of signing him? Give them leverage against Denney, and possibly a backup plan if Denney doesn't sign. It's not like they're really losing anything by tossing away a mid-20s round pick.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 15:15:00 GMT -5
Would the Sox waste a draft choice on a player like Boldt if they thought he would stick to a $2.5 million demand? Isn't it likely that there has been some contact, directly or indirectly, that has provided some insight into what he really would accept? In other words, why would they draft him if they knew there was no chance of signing him? Round 22, wouldn't call it wasting a pick. He's certainly worth the gamble at this point in the draft.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2013 15:16:16 GMT -5
Have the Red Sox drafted anyone who isn't an up the middle player yet?
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2013 15:17:12 GMT -5
I'm going to make a Boldt prediction and say he signs. I'm going to make a Boldt prediction of my own and Say that for the next couple years a lot of us are going to have the same type of hatred for the name Boldt as we once did for Alex Meyer.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 15:25:25 GMT -5
There goes Quantrill to the MFY, he better not sign.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 8, 2013 15:28:25 GMT -5
Mark Nowaczewski, HS RHP, drafted in the 27th round. Ranked #440 by BA.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 8, 2013 15:30:31 GMT -5
Rowdy Tellez still on the board... Perhaps he really is unsignable
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 15:31:09 GMT -5
We've certainly picked up a lot of HS talent in this year's draft.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 8, 2013 15:31:14 GMT -5
Rowdy Tellez still on the board... Perhaps he really is unsignable Can't be less signable than Boldt.
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