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Post by klostrophobic on Jun 17, 2013 15:22:22 GMT -5
I wish they could have drafted Bryce Harper instead of Kolbrin Vitek.
Bashing picks is impossible now. Maybe a viable strategy when drafting 7th is drafting someone who will sign for 1 dollar and then using the savings from the underslot signing to snap up a bunch of guys after the 10th round.
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Post by wickedlester on Jun 17, 2013 15:23:06 GMT -5
I wanted Frazier too, or Stewart, but you have to play the hand you´re given and those players just weren't available. We can bicker all we want but they were picked before us. For me at that point it would be either Shipley or Ball, they went Ball and I'm alright with that. If they had gone Peterson then you'd see some serious rambling going on this forum. Polarbear is right, that some of us (I mean me, lol) are prolly letting who we didn't get, affect how we feel about who we did...
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Post by borisman on Jun 17, 2013 16:41:47 GMT -5
I think the Sox will put Ball out there for very shorts stints and tell him to let 'em rip. He'll hopefully dominate GCL, if that's where he's sent. Let's slot him in at number 8 or 9 on the rankings and send him to the Fort to see what he's got.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 17, 2013 17:03:28 GMT -5
"The Red Sox were never in position to draft the best high school pitching prospect in the draft." I didn't know the Sox drafted Kohl Stewert! Awesome...Oh sorry, I meant Phil Bickford....Lol...I'm just messin with ya...My point being, I don't think Ball was the conses best HS in the draft... Anyway, I think I'm coming across as tha anti-Ball guy...And really I'm just like you guys, dreaming he's the next Cole Hammels or Kershaw, lol... My bad. I think Gammo must be dropping in on the board today. Check this tweet out. About 5p. Ha ha. "One great crosschecker :"Highest ceilings in draft were Clint Frazier(Ceve OF) and Trey Ball(Bos. LHP). Sox will introduce Ball tomorrow." twitter.com/pgammo
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Post by mainesox on Jun 17, 2013 18:12:41 GMT -5
The two guys most of us had as favorites (Frazier and Stewart) are every bit as risky as Ball, and both dealt with injuries this season (they played through them, but they were injured - Frazier had/has elbow tendonitis and Stewart had shoulder 'weakness') while I don't remember hearing about Ball ever having an injury. With Frazier the risk is his hit tool and plate discipline not progressing enough and he ends up either being what Josh Reddick/Bryce Brentz/Will Middlebrooks appear to be, or not even a major leaguer, and with Stewart it's all the same concerns you would have with Ball (he's a high school pitcher), plus the diabetes concern (however minor) and the fact that he's already had a shoulder issue (again, however minor).
I'm really not trying to pile on here, so I hope you don't take it that way. I wanted one of those two as bad as anyone here, and my immediate reaction was one of mild shock and disbelief when they chose Ball over Shipley, but it was mostly because he wasn't even on my radar because he had never been connected to the Sox; once I really read up about him I was actually glad they chose him over Shipley, or any of the other guys left.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 17, 2013 18:21:38 GMT -5
The two guys most of us had as favorites (Frazier and Stewart) are every bit as risky as Ball, and both dealt with injuries this season (they played through them, but they were injured - Frazier had/has elbow tendonitis and Stewart had shoulder 'weakness') while I don't remember hearing about Ball ever having an injury. With Frazier the risk is his hit tool and plate discipline not progressing enough and he ends up either being what Josh Reddick/Bryce Brentz/Will Middlebrooks appear to be, or not even a major leaguer, and with Stewart it's all the same concerns you would have with Ball (he's a high school pitcher), plus the diabetes concern (however minor) and the fact that he's already had a shoulder issue (again, however minor). I'm really not trying to pile on here, so I hope you don't take it that way. I wanted one of those two as bad as anyone here, and my immediate reaction was one of mild shock and disbelief when they chose Ball over Shipley, but it was mostly because he wasn't even on my radar because he had never been connected to the Sox; once I really read up about him I was actually glad they chose him over Shipley, or any of the other guys left. ditto
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 17, 2013 18:41:58 GMT -5
I was a HUGE Frazier fan after the showcases last year but I never really thought he could be available until late in the process then on draft day there were rumors Frazier was starting to gain traction in Cleveland so I was prepare that he wasn't gonna be available.
After Frazier the other guy was Stewart but rumors even with Minn beat guys was that he was their guy so I didn't get too excited about that.
After that I liked Meadows but not as much above the others to get upset about passing on him and I didn't like Shipley as much as a lot around here did.
The 1st time I heard of Ball was last year when Temple mentioned him and after that I started to read more on him. Since he is from a cold weather state his spring started late so there was a moment there that he faded from the main stream prospect watchers but once he started out he started to get attention again.
I always felt he was a Red Sox type pick and had many of the ingredients that the Red Sox seem to look for, in fact I mentioned him on other places as a possible target.
I liked the pick he has one of the highest ceilings in the draft and that's what I wanted the Red Sox to do with the 7th pick.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 17, 2013 19:05:05 GMT -5
Like I think some of you, I just didn't think they would pull the trigger on Ball. It looked like one of Frazier, Moran, or Stewart would fall to them. Worst case scenario it looked like it would be Shipley, Meadows or one of the other top guys like Petersen. Shipley dropped and surprise, they pick the extremely skinny guy from Indiana. It just seemed much more risky than was necessary with that pick.
Most of us were inherently disappointed because we thought it might be Frazier or Stewart but it wasn't. So now here we are. But you know he might actually end up the stud of the whole group. He seems like a tremendous young man. Hardworking. Positive. With some additional man strength we might be looking at a mega stud. He is real big but also very athletic. Who knows. Maybe we hit the jackpot. No matter what he is clearly a good kid to root for.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 17, 2013 19:07:19 GMT -5
Ryan Hannable ?@hannable84 1h Yes, that's what I've been told RT @brandon5tewart any indication that Ball will go under slot?
twitter.com/hannable84/status/346757255791771648
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 17, 2013 19:36:33 GMT -5
The draft process isn't over until after the deadline. We got Denney and may get another nice prospect or two in the 11-40 range. I haven't thought about it too much but I honestly think I'd prefer this draft as a whole over one that had Frazier at 7 "meh" the rest of the way. Yes Frazier was my binky too.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 17, 2013 20:30:38 GMT -5
After Moran came off the board at six, I wrote that the Red Sox would "do something crazy: Ball" and sure enough they ten seconds later Bud announced the Ball selection. I thought a Ball selection would be crazy because we all thought Meadows was higher on most team's boards. As I got to think about the pick more, I like it. Meadows has a similar ceiling to Ball, and Ball probably has as good a chance or better of reaching that ceiling as Meadows. His floor is slightly higher than a normal raw high school pitcher because he could be a decent prospect as a hitter (again this is the floor, i.e. pitching does not work). Anyway, while he was not the guy I wanted entering the draft, I like the pick.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 17, 2013 20:59:06 GMT -5
What was wrong with meadows?
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 17, 2013 21:02:23 GMT -5
Andrew Miller was aslo considered a highly regarded prospect across the league at one point. If Ball has the same potential that Miller had then you have to make that pick every single time. Of course, the worry is that he does become Andrew Miller. Every time. Consensus top pitching prospect the year he was drafted. No telling what so many talented kids could have been if they went down a different path of development. Not sure that's given enough attention, though, of course, how would we ever know . . .
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 17, 2013 21:08:58 GMT -5
Most of us were inherently disappointed because we thought it might be Frazier or Stewart but it wasn't. So now here we are. But you know he might actually end up the stud of the whole group. It would not be a huge surprise, that's what has me excited about him. They did their homework, were not going to be dissuaded by price, you know this is the guy on the board they liked best, and he's got all kinds of upside. Thrilled they went the high-reward route.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 17, 2013 21:40:06 GMT -5
What was wrong with meadows? I don't know if there was anything 'wrong' with any of them, but Meadows' particular concerns were that he might end up in left field, and that his hit and power tools may not progress enough to really justify that position.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 17, 2013 22:39:42 GMT -5
What was wrong with meadows? I don't know if there was anything 'wrong' with any of them, but Meadows' particular concerns were that he might end up in left field, and that his hit and power tools may not progress enough to really justify that position. Thanks. I was wondering why they didn't make that pick. I'm pretty excited about their draft though. I'm from Maine too originally btw
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Post by alex710707 on Jun 18, 2013 0:50:48 GMT -5
Yankees sign Ian Clarkin. Really like him. His fastball is really good. Similar mechanic with Clayton Kershaw. I don't think he is almost as good as Trey Ball. Hate the Yankees sign him, especially Clarkin hate Yankees a lot.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 18, 2013 2:30:29 GMT -5
I don't know if there was anything 'wrong' with any of them, but Meadows' particular concerns were that he might end up in left field, and that his hit and power tools may not progress enough to really justify that position. Thanks. I was wondering why they didn't make that pick. I'm pretty excited about their draft though. I'm from Maine too originally btw Lot's of us are from Maine. We are EVERYWHERE!
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 18, 2013 4:14:44 GMT -5
I'm probably the only Puertorican on this forum.
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Post by bighead on Jun 18, 2013 6:39:20 GMT -5
I'm probably the only Puertorican on this forum. Love PR. Just got back from 5 days in San Juan about a month ago. Good people, good food and cool city.
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Post by bighead on Jun 18, 2013 6:50:26 GMT -5
The fact that Ball is "raw" is kinda obvious due to his age. Maybe there is something to him not being what you'd hope out of a #7 pick in the draft in a vaccuum but this was about right for the #7 pick in this draft. He had about as high an upside of anybody left on the board and I wanted the Sox to swing for the fences on this pick. I don't think you can fault the Sox front office on this if this doesn't turn out to be a great pick either. They were given an opportunity set when their pick was on the clock and went for what they felt was best player (or best upside) available. Hard to fault that. Premium pitching seems to be harder to come by than ever outside the draft and I think they made a good call on this one.
I appreciate that a lot of people preferred a different player and are disappointed though. I would have liked to see them land Kohl Stewart but they never had that opportunity.
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Post by colombianrsox on Jun 18, 2013 7:19:12 GMT -5
The only colombian on this forum.. And a foreign exchange student to New Castle, Indiana, where Ball comes from. Great forum and great effort from the SP guys.. Thank you and hope to contribute to the site..
Something I don't understand.. was the draft that bad that there were just 6 good prospects?. Did we get the leftovers of the draft by picking 7?.. That lack of depth? I wonder..
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Post by jmei on Jun 18, 2013 7:26:54 GMT -5
I do this think was a draft with pretty clear tiering and that the Red Sox got the misfortune of having to pick when the first two tiers of players had all been taken.
Tier 1: Appel, Gray, Bryant Tier 2: Moran, Stewart, Frazier Tier 3: Ball, Meadows, D. Smith, Bickford, Shipley, etc.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 18, 2013 8:22:14 GMT -5
Something I don't understand.. was the draft that bad that there were just 6 good prospects?. Did we get the leftovers of the draft by picking 7?.. That lack of depth? I wonder.. It was not a deep draft. I would not say that means there were only six good prospects. Trey Ball was better than anyone available around pick 15 in this draft and is a better prospect than anyone the Red Sox can expect to be able to draft in future drafts if they are picking lower in the first round. Ball has a very high ceiling, but his downside is that he will likely take a long time to develop and he is riskier than some of the players picked before him.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 18, 2013 8:23:40 GMT -5
Realistically, the Red Sox were almost guaranteed to pick from a pool of Stewart, Fraizer, Moran, Ball, Shipley, Meadows (Personally I think any one of those would be a good pick except for Moran). Stewart and Fraizer probably being the top two choices, no idea where Moran would have ranked if available, and clearly we liked Ball over Shipley and Meadows. I like Ball over Meadows, was leaning towards Shipley due to personal bias, but overall was pleased with the pick. Yes it would of been great to get Fraizer or Stewart but it was not an option. There is one thing I cannot get over about this pick. Based solely on chatter on this forums it seems Ball would be ranked lower than Owens, which is setting an alarm off in the back of my head which I can't control. Owens has been in the system for 1.5 years and seems to be following his projection; performing good, but not blowing us away. He was the 19th best pitching prospect in 2011 and 33rd overall (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-preview/2011/2611794.html). Ball this year was 9th overall 5th best pitcher (Shipley ranked higher www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/). I would just assume that Ball at the 7th pick should be a better prospect than Owens. There are factors that I am not considering but this makes me think we didn't get a true #7 pick. I know this logic is flawed and I hope it remains flawed.
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