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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2013 22:04:24 GMT -5
Minnich, Davies, and King are all players that should be in Lowell if not Greenville fairly quickly, right? They're all really old for that league. King was signed from the Indy leagues and will need to move up quickly to become relevant. He did only just start playing outfield this year, so he might get a little bit of time to get things together. As for Davies and Minnich, I'll just leave it at the following: They're 23 and 22, respectively, and they didn't make a Lowell roster that doesn't have a first baseman on it.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 24, 2013 22:28:44 GMT -5
Mookie Betts 1-2, a double, with 3 bbs and his 15th sb (1 cs on the season) Mookie Betts is an on-base machine. Carrying an OBP over .420. Outstanding. A few more weeks of this and I think he may find his way in Salem replacing Natoli at 2B. Very impressed with his progression this season.
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Post by jmei on Jun 24, 2013 22:35:53 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is the most intriguing prospect in the system for me. I'm curious to see whether he can maintain that combination of patience, elite contact rates, and sneaky power at a higher level. As Mellen is fond of reminding us, at lower levels, hitters can work a ton of walks just by being passive because a lot of opposing pitchers are just wild and can't find the strike zone consistently. If he can maintain it at Salem and Portland, he could become a very interesting prospect indeed.
(My next most intriguing prospects? Cody Kukuk and Henry Ramos.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2013 22:38:49 GMT -5
Mookie Betts 1-2, a double, with 3 bbs and his 15th sb (1 cs on the season) Mookie Betts is an on-base machine. Carrying an OBP over .420. Outstanding. A few more weeks of this and I think he may find his way in Salem replacing Natoli at 2B. Very impressed with his progression this season. I don't see him getting promoted. Remember, Natoli is starting because Coyle is on the DL.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 24, 2013 22:41:56 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is an on-base machine. Carrying an OBP over .420. Outstanding. A few more weeks of this and I think he may find his way in Salem replacing Natoli at 2B. Very impressed with his progression this season. I don't see him getting promoted. Remember, Natoli is starting because Coyle is on the DL. Good point.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 24, 2013 23:36:07 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is an on-base machine. Carrying an OBP over .420. Outstanding. A few more weeks of this and I think he may find his way in Salem replacing Natoli at 2B. Very impressed with his progression this season. I don't see him getting promoted. Remember, Natoli is starting because Coyle is on the DL. This could be a problem in the long run. Because Betts could develop faster than Coyle due to much better plate discipline.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 25, 2013 6:10:15 GMT -5
I don't see him getting promoted. Remember, Natoli is starting because Coyle is on the DL. This could be a problem in the long run. Because Betts could develop faster than Coyle due to much better plate discipline. I wouldn't call Coyle's problem lack of plate discipline (60 walks in about 500 PAs when he was at Betts' level) but problems with swing and miss. And Coyle's 2011 walks should cause us to embrace Mookie somewhat cautiously.
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2013 7:33:19 GMT -5
This could be a problem in the long run. Because Betts could develop faster than Coyle due to much better plate discipline. I wouldn't call Coyle's problem lack of plate discipline (60 walks in about 500 PAs when he was at Betts' level) but problems with swing and miss. And Coyle's 2011 walks should cause us to embrace Mookie somewhat cautiously. But even in his good years, Coyle struck out a ton (23.6% in his breakout 2011), which is what's holding him back now. Betts has put up elite contact rates so far-- 10.3% last year and 11.3% this year.
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Post by elguapo on Jun 25, 2013 7:34:16 GMT -5
And Coyle's 2011 walks should cause us to embrace Mookie somewhat cautiously. Because .... walks in the Sally League don't matter? I don't like extrapolating the experience of a kid with a 0.55 BB/K ratio to a kid with a 1.63 ratio. Apples and potatoes.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 25, 2013 7:48:25 GMT -5
Mookie Betts is the most intriguing prospect in the system for me. I'm curious to see whether he can maintain that combination of patience, elite contact rates, and sneaky power at a higher level. As Mellen is fond of reminding us, at lower levels, hitters can work a ton of walks just by being passive because a lot of opposing pitchers are just wild and can't find the strike zone consistently. If he can maintain it at Salem and Portland, he could become a very interesting prospect indeed. True, but when a hitter has as many XBH (30) as SO (32). I'll start believing in an elite plate discipline. He's no Che-Hsuan Lin.
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Post by elguapo on Jun 25, 2013 8:20:28 GMT -5
As Mellen is fond of reminding us, at lower levels, hitters can work a ton of walks just by being passive because a lot of opposing pitchers are just wild and can't find the strike zone consistently. If he can maintain it at Salem and Portland, he could become a very interesting prospect indeed. True, but when a hitter has as many XBH (30) as SO (32). I'll start believing in an elite plate discipline. He's no Che-Hsuan Lin. By that standard, Che-Hsuan Lin isn't Che-Hsuan Lin. Lin's walk rate has gone up (generally speaking) as he's gone up the ladder - after dipping a bit at AAA, he is sporting a career high 14.5% this year as a 24-year-old. He does have elite plate discipline. He just doesn't have pop.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 25, 2013 8:58:46 GMT -5
I always thought Lin would be the perfect 4th OF with his D and OBP ability, and would generate enough OBP to perhaps play his way into a CF job with a second division team. Obviously wrong on that one. Speaks volumes that Houston isn't even giving him at shot at the MLB level.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 25, 2013 9:49:08 GMT -5
DSL Red Sox with the win last night. Luis Ramos is another pitcher performing well for the DSL Sox. He is sporting a 0.90 ERA, 0.60 WHIP, 2BB/12K through 20 innings pitched. He just turned 18 so he isn't incredibly old for the league.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 25, 2013 11:59:29 GMT -5
www.milb.com/milb/scoreboard/Will give you access to all the minor league games. Just click on the Red Sox and you can see all their scores and access the box scores you want to look at. This is useful on the day of the games, but it's not persistent. On the other hand, the links do take you to the box scores for those games, even days later. It would be good to have both available, but the links really belong here. That will let us find games through the archives later.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 25, 2013 12:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2013 14:35:04 GMT -5
And Coyle's 2011 walks should cause us to embrace Mookie somewhat cautiously. Because .... walks in the Sally League don't matter? I don't like extrapolating the experience of a kid with a 0.55 BB/K ratio to a kid with a 1.63 ratio. Apples and potatoes. Not saying you have to ignore the walks, but I would note: a) 4/5-5/2: 23 walks in 100 PA as he hits .145/.340/.263 (.143 babip); 5/5-6/24: 29 walks in 189 PA as he hits .372/.473/.615 (.400 babip). His walk rate spiked in a period from 4/24-5/8, when he took 21 walks in 12 games. Not being able to see him in person to verify, this says to me that he was being ultra-patient while he figured the league out, and his walk rate has gone down since he started hitting the ball. Now, I actually see this as a good thing - it shows a mature approach - but it also means he's not the Walk Messiah or anything. and b) He's 5'8" in a league in which many of the pitchers can't locate a pitch. So was Coyle. It's natural to expect that he's not going to walk as much as he goes up the ladder. Compare that to, say, Lin, who's 6'0", and the walk rate tells you something a bit different about the plate approach. And for anyone wondering, Pedroia didn't walk much in A-ball because he was doing the whole Laser Show thing and ripping the cover off the ball, getting promoted to Sarasota after 12 games. (Tangent: If you guesstimate that Lin's strike zone was 3 inches taller (he's 4 inches taller, but that's not entirely in the part of his body that defines the strike zone), that makes Lin's strike zone about 60 square inches bigger than Betts's, so about half a square foot. That matters.) And yes, minor league game logs on B-R are the greatest thing that's ever happened to me, I'll readily admit it.
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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2013 14:51:59 GMT -5
Yeah, now Hatfield can engineer even smaller sample sizes!
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Post by elguapo on Jun 25, 2013 15:59:10 GMT -5
b) He's 5'8" in a league in which many of the pitchers can't locate a pitch. So was Coyle. Oh, well, if they're the same height, clearly that proves that second basemen are short.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2013 16:28:32 GMT -5
b) He's 5'8" in a league in which many of the pitchers can't locate a pitch. So was Coyle. Oh, well, if they're the same height, clearly that proves that second basemen are short. Every short second baseman will become Dustin Pedroia.Point stands regardless of position, obviously.
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