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7/11 ML Gameday Thread: A day of doubleheaders
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 11, 2013 20:48:16 GMT -5
While Owens hasn't been bad tonight, Jason Parks doesn't seem to be overly impressed. twitter.com/ProfessorParks"Jason Parks ?@professorparks LHP Henry Owens stride is short for a guy standing 6'7"; landing divot on mound is closer to rubber than Luke Jackson's, who stands 6'2"." "[...] Do you want a tall guy to take a long stride? Wouldn't that A) make him take a long time to get the ball to the plate, and B) negate some of his height and his ability to thrown down at the batter? A longer stride would put the ball closer to the plate at the point of release, effectively increasing his velocity... I guess? I don't really know. Also, Parks doesn't actually indicate if it's a negative.
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Post by soxfn24 on Jul 11, 2013 20:56:01 GMT -5
Some pretty interesting pitching performances tonight:
McCarthy (POR) - (so far...) 3.0, 6H, ER, 6-0 K/BB Owens (SAL)- 6.2, 3H, 2R, 0ER, 4-4 K/BB, 7-7 GO/FO Alcantara (LOW)- 5.0, H, 0ER, 2-3 K/BB, 7-2 GO/FO Pinales (LOW)- 4.0, 2H, 6-0 K/BB Ethington (GCL) - 3.0, 3H, 4R, 1ER, 5-1 K/BB, 3-2 GO/FO
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 11, 2013 20:57:13 GMT -5
Do you want a tall guy to take a long stride? Wouldn't that A) make him take a long time to get the ball to the plate, and B) negate some of his height and his ability to thrown down at the batter? A longer stride would put the ball closer to the plate at the point of release, effectively increasing his velocity... I guess? I don't really know. Also, Parks doesn't actually indicate if it's a negative. Jason Parks ?@professorparks 3h andrew_dichiara He's not maximizing his length Didn't mention it in the first one, but that implies that it's negative.
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Post by planb on Jul 11, 2013 21:11:19 GMT -5
Do you want a tall guy to take a long stride? Wouldn't that A) make him take a long time to get the ball to the plate, and B) negate some of his height and his ability to thrown down at the batter? Usually stride length is 80-90% of the pitcher's height. It's possible that Jackson overstrides and Owens stride is fairly normal, but would need to see video... A) I think generally speaking taller guys take a bit longer to get to the plate, but that can be overcome with using a slide step from the stretch. B) The mound is big enough that a tall pitcher is still throwing downhill when their front foot hits the ground. Plus, taller guys are that much closer to home plate when they release the ball if their stride is fairly normal, which can't hurt.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 11, 2013 21:16:01 GMT -5
A longer stride would put the ball closer to the plate at the point of release, effectively increasing his velocity... I guess? I don't really know. Also, Parks doesn't actually indicate if it's a negative. Jason Parks ?@professorparks 3h andrew_dichiara He's not maximizing his length Didn't mention it in the first one, but that implies that it's negative. Longer stride would mean that he's getting his lower body into the pitch more. You don't want him to take a short stride and just pitch with his upper body. For those with a BP subscription, Doug Thorburn does some awesome, awesome stuff on pitcher mechanics (and I think the TINSTAAP podcast is free, although they do ridiculous 4-hour episodes that I just don't want to even get into). Here's his two-part introduction to his mechanics grades: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19107; www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19233. And here's his first article for BP, which talks about the kinetic chain: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=16370.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 11, 2013 21:24:48 GMT -5
In addition to the other points made in response...: I'm curious why De La Cruz wasn't the one the get the bump, though. He has had a much better year than Jacobs and is also Rule 5 eligible. ...Jacobs has a slightly better slash line overall and a much better walk rate. BJAC 244/334/440/774 KDLC 289/325/434/759 And he's a year older at 22. Ramos & KDLC are 21, Ramos younger by a few months. We have a disagreement on KDLC's birthdate btw (Nov 25 or 28), which I'll note in Meta.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 11, 2013 21:33:30 GMT -5
Justin Haley didn't walk more than he A) allowed hit or B) struck out so... progress?
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Post by godot on Jul 11, 2013 22:41:00 GMT -5
Egad, the Sox are looking for another relief pitcher. I believe I may have found one for them,- the ol' phy ed teacher Scott Atchison. Yup, he is in AA and pitched today. Why not?
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 11, 2013 22:53:01 GMT -5
It's the end of a gameday thread, so random thought: The more I think about it, the more I'm impressed that Doubrant, a guy who hit AAA and couldn't make progress or stay healthy, has become a decent MLB starter (even going back to last year, his K rate showed flashes, despite some pitch count issues etc). Between Doubrant and Iglesias, those are two guys who were in position to use up all their options without solidifying a roster spot, and now both are either valuable trade pieces, or cost-controlled young players assured of important 2014 roles.
So who fits that mold? Jacobs/Almanzar/Ramos all strike me as guys with a lot of work to do who won't be on the 25 man till the last second possibly. Hazelbaker/Brentz/Lavarnway may just be 'are what they are' guys. Britton has next year, but will have a RP spot if he can't start.
My picks: Buttrey, a talented SP who has progressed slowly so far and Vinicio, who has so much talent but is R5D eligible and struggling in A ball right now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 11, 2013 23:31:31 GMT -5
Egad, the Sox are looking for another relief pitcher. I believe I may have found one for them,- the ol' phy ed teacher Scott Atchison. Yup, he is in AA and pitched today. Why not? He's only on rehab. He's not on the Double-A roster full-time or anything.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 12, 2013 1:37:08 GMT -5
Jacobs 2-3 with a 3B in his AA debut.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 12, 2013 5:29:39 GMT -5
Bogaerts will be our starting third baseman by the time the postseason comes. Book it.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 12, 2013 10:14:06 GMT -5
Bogaerts will be our starting third baseman by the time the postseason comes. Book it. seconded
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2013 10:40:28 GMT -5
Maybe. And while he's hitting HR's, it's not like he's tearing up the International League.
Seems like he's ahead of WMB, though. There's still Drew/Iglesias for the left side once Drew gets healthy - and assuming they don't trade him. But I can't envision a division leading team trading Drew and relying on the Xandy Man - no matter how much you guys want to see it. Maybe if he starts to destroy IL pitching from now until the trade deadline AND the Sox get an enticing offer . . . .
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