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Post by texs31 on Mar 26, 2024 8:52:57 GMT -5
Khari Thompson tweeted something along the lines of JJ McCarthy being a chance to see how high Brock Purdy would be drafted if you knew what he'd become.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2024 15:50:48 GMT -5
More fodder as "reports" are circulating that execs believe Washington is most likely to take McCarthy.
IF that happens and Patriots choose Daniels over Maye (or over MHJ, or even trading back), pretty sure I know whose head will absolutely explode.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2024 14:27:47 GMT -5
I honestly don’t think the Pats are in a trade down scenario. Both Drake Maye and MHJ are elite talent you can only find at the top of the draft. They have other needs, sure, but you can build teams around these guys. I really hope they don’t get cute. So using the 21 trade up for #3 as a benchmark: - 12th overall - '25 1st Rd Pick - '25 3rd Rd Pick - '26 1st Rd Pick. Now while that was for a QB, SF traded up with a team (Miami) that had a QB. That matters, in all likelihood (unlike that year, teams will be trying to "talk" NE out of taking the QB - while trading up to, in fact, take the QB). So it's not unreasonable to assume an offer to make them move HAS to be better than this package. But again, it's only good business based on their evaluation. I really don't think they trade down to "fill other needs". It really comes down to the players: 1. They don't think Maye (or Daniels) and McCarthy are worthy of the 3rd pick. 2. The difference between MHJ and the other WRs is minimal enough that they think they can trade back and still get a player worthy of that slot. If those things are true, then trading down is good business. If not, take the player (QB or otherwise).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2024 13:46:55 GMT -5
It's very unwise to (over)react to one comment or another. As with all sports reporting, the best thing to do is to look for patterns. What remains consistent from statement to statement (or rumor to rumor).
Not that THAT even points you to the truth but, to the extent any of this stuff is coming from the team, it's hard to tell the same lie over and over without inconsistencies.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2024 10:16:50 GMT -5
I really don't think teams "trade down for a QB" though. As a matter fact, I don't think teams trade down for any player.
The idea is (or, at least, s/b) you trade down bc:
1. You don't like who is there at your pick, or 2. There are enough players you DO like at your pick, you feel you can get one of your guys AND pick up extra picks.
So the "failings" in trade backs are just as much an endorsement for trading back as they are a deterrent. The teams in those cases, likely weren't certain enough about the success of that player they'd otherwise take at their pick so they traded back, took the QB AND picked up additional assets.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 22, 2024 7:31:05 GMT -5
I don't really have a comment right now. Just wanted to get THIS thread updated since the latest comments have been in the 22 Offseason thread for some reason.
Carry on
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Post by texs31 on Mar 21, 2024 20:00:12 GMT -5
They also have the player visits at their disposal.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 21, 2024 13:54:58 GMT -5
Oh, and I just want draft day to get here. Just saw (didn't read) an article suggesting they don't have to draft a QB bc they have Nathan Rourke. So that's where we are.
Seriously, though. I could talk myself into SO many different scenarios. I'm ready to just start pulling for the guys they draft.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 21, 2024 13:53:10 GMT -5
I'm good with adding the pieces that UMass mentioned. Really want Gilmore. I know he's not what he was but still good and would allow Marcus to EARN the Slot job (would think Gilmore would move J Jones to the #1 slot spot with Marcus backing up for now).
I really hope they use the space they still have on extensions for Barmore and Judon (the latter wouldn't necessarily use up space, iirc). Would imagine a long-term deal for Dugger is still in the cards. Would think they could lower his cap # from the 13.
Just not sure there is a bunch of FAs to eat up much of the remainder (well, remainder less the buffer for what's needed during the season, including the draftees). Also not sure a trade is in the cards.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 19, 2024 15:12:51 GMT -5
Jeudy getting 41M guaranteed for 3 year deal.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 18, 2024 7:36:20 GMT -5
I don't know if Jeremiah had sources on this or if he's just trying to connect some dots (or just have a take). He's probably thinking #2 is the only way to get the guy they want. I'd also point out that Washington is in the exact same boat as NE and you are advocating the Pats consider taking a QB AFTER the 1st. So if it's okay for NE to do it, why wouldn't Washington be willing/interested? If Maye is gone I'll consider anything, assuming Williams goes #1 like everyone thinks. I think Washington takes Maye, as I've said a few times now. So you are right, I have been advocating the Patriots consider different things like maybe a QB not in the 1st. That's because we have pick 3 and not pick #2. If Mayes there at #3, they should take him. Add in Washington traded a young first year starter at QB that showed promise for very little. That screams we are taking a QB at #2. Maybe I'm wrong TBC - I'm more in line with YOUR thinking. Just trying to understand why Jeremiah might think otherwise.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 18, 2024 7:02:41 GMT -5
I have a dumb question regarding the cap hits? Can they go down or be flat?
- Don't base salaries HAVE to increase? - Signing bonus will always be straight pro-ration - Roster Bonuses can be NLTBE in the 1st year (based on previous year's Active Games). But they're based on 17 Games Active in subsequent years (until they start playing the next season where their hits can go up or down based on activity).
- A lot of other incentives are typically NLTBE until actually earned.
Just don't know enough to know if Cap Hits are ever flat or decreasing.
EDIT - Just saw Bourne's deal and his year 2 and 3 salaries are definitely flat so they don't HAVE to decrease.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 18, 2024 6:57:03 GMT -5
How would #2 be more likely? Washington traded Howell for very little. I don't know if Jeremiah had sources on this or if he's just trying to connect some dots (or just have a take). He's probably thinking #2 is the only way to get the guy they want. I'd also point out that Washington is in the exact same boat as NE and you are advocating the Pats consider taking a QB AFTER the 1st. So if it's okay for NE to do it, why wouldn't Washington be willing/interested? EDIT - The counterargument is that they might be fine with ANY of the QBs (even McCarthy) and know they can, at least, get up to #4.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2024 9:25:01 GMT -5
Taylor Kyles listed the best options available in the WR market. DPJ isn't listed first, but Taylor says he's probably the best fit.
Also mentions Mike Williams, DJ Chark, Michael Gallup and Josh Reynolds.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2024 7:30:22 GMT -5
Jeremiah saying Maye is still in play for Washington. Also that it's more likely that #2 is the more likely target for Minny.
He's still saying that Pats will go QB at 3.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2024 10:04:25 GMT -5
I don't disagree but we're all working under the assumption (yes, based on some reports) that think these guys are that.
I don't like the idea of trading back JUST bc we need more talent (a QB can elevate "lesser" players if he's the right guy). But if they aren't sure . . .
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2024 9:31:12 GMT -5
Last year, trading into the #3 pick cost:
#12 #33 24 1st 24 3rd
So if we're talking #11 and #23, the question is whether or not the 25 1st is in play. Probably couldn't also get the 3rd, given the difference between 23 and 33.
That being said, I wonder if the target being a QB changes the math (last year the trade was for Will Anderson)
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2024 9:14:15 GMT -5
Vikings get the 23rd pick from Texans. So they have 11 and 23 and many feel they are targeting a trade up for a QB. So . . . what would make you consider it?? Those 2 picks and Jefferson I can never tell when you are serious, CDJ. Is that your way of saying your are absolutely convinced that Daniels or Maye is the guy?
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2024 9:01:51 GMT -5
Vikings get the 23rd pick from Texans. So they have 11 and 23 and many feel they are targeting a trade up for a QB.
So . . . what would make you consider it??
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2024 14:45:14 GMT -5
Reader to the Lions
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2024 12:42:30 GMT -5
Taylor Kyles. For those that don't follow him, he did say that Douglas' "category" is bc of the 2 concussions during the year (implication being he'd be rated higher if he had more confidence in his health).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2024 10:57:18 GMT -5
I read that they still have 57 million in cap space left. 10 million of that goes to the draft picks. PatsCap has them at ~55M but that's not including the Jennings, Watts or Leverett deals. Probably brings them into the high 40s or low 50s, depending on the structures.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 13, 2024 16:50:34 GMT -5
Tennessee has the advantage over NE though. No tax.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 13, 2024 13:31:15 GMT -5
Mike Williams now a free agent.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 13, 2024 13:30:29 GMT -5
Not sure but, if so, that's why they'd want the tag (bc they wouldn't get the handshake).
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