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Post by burythehammer on Jul 25, 2013 18:29:22 GMT -5
]I think the Red Sox will bring back Middlebrooks sooner than later (certainly by early August, assuming he's not traded at the deadline) and keep Bogaerts in their back pocket until the PawSox season is over. That will give him another 150-200 PAs in AAA. Not sure why they would intentionally go with the inferior player, interesting theory though. Please, please trade Middlebrooks before every other team realizes what he is.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 25, 2013 18:31:35 GMT -5
Fun fact: Will Middlebrooks' career (MLB) wOBA is two points higher than Jose Iglesias'.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 25, 2013 18:33:07 GMT -5
... He's got a first name that will hold it's own. Just as with guys like Manny, Nomar, Jeter, Pujols, Hanley. . . Um, Jeter is his last name. Pujols too.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 25, 2013 18:48:37 GMT -5
In all seriousness, whether it's a week, three weeks or three days from now, it would be irresponsible for the Red Sox to not give Bogaerts a shot given they they are contending. If this was The Bobby Valentine Traveling Circus I could see holding off, but there is at least a realistic possibility that he would be one of the 5-10 best players on your team right now.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 25, 2013 19:12:01 GMT -5
Um, Jeter is his last name. Pujols too. You've got to keep reading.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 25, 2013 19:14:30 GMT -5
If Bogaerts was to continue to move up the learning curve and make adjustments at the rate he as been then I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to add more value at the 3B position going into the playoffs. Anything can happen, and we know young guys can struggle. Xander could come up this year and struggle and still be a superstar in a year but I'd feel pretty comfortable taking that gamble.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 25, 2013 20:35:35 GMT -5
Nick Longhi and Mauricio Dubon both made their debuts tonight.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 25, 2013 20:54:39 GMT -5
Matt Barnes with back to back solid outings. Not spectacular, but solid.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 25, 2013 20:57:18 GMT -5
Nick Longhi and Mauricio Dubon both made their debuts tonight. Nick's parents were at the game. Also present were the proud parents of Lucinda Treat who was chief legal officer under John Henry for the Marlins (at age 28) and then in Boston in the same capacity. Although she has since moved on to work in the Detroit Piston's front office, she remembers Boston well and fondly. Her mother said Lucinda thought Kevin Youkilis was one of the nicest people in baseball. The game was a Rays' wipeout. Denney was behind the plate going 0-2 with a walk. Again, he looked good receiving the ball. He did have 3 throws to second two of which were wide of the mark and late while the third was directly over the bag but there was a mix-up b/t the second baseman and SS on coverage duties. Jon received the error on that and one other throw. It is difficult to judge from behind the plate (and screen) but he did not appear to have a cannon arm. Someone who does though is RF Monge. He easily gunned down a runner trying to go first to third with a bullet throw. He also made another throw into second that was a smoker. Rijo provided no heroics this night and the Sox managed only 5 hits.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 25, 2013 21:05:31 GMT -5
Travis Shaw hits his 12th home run of the year. He is now tied for 4th among Red Sox minor leaguers, which stuns me. Of course, in 125 AA games, he's hitting .220, which also stuns me.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 25, 2013 21:07:21 GMT -5
Nick Longhi and Mauricio Dubon both made their debuts tonight. Nick's parents were at the game. Also present were the proud parents of Lucinda Treat who was chief legal officer under John Henry for the Marlins (at age 28) and then in Boston in the same capacity. Although she has since moved on to work in the Detroit Piston's front office, she remembers Boston well and fondly. Her mother said Lucinda thought Kevin Youkilis was one of the nicest people in baseball. This is code for "Trey Ball will make his season debut next week," right?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 25, 2013 21:11:51 GMT -5
I think it's certainly questionable whether Bogaerts could help right now. He's basically just barely getting adjusted to Triple-A. Why would it be a foregone conclusion that he could hit in the major leagues? He JUST passed having 500 plate appearances in Double-A and Triple-A combined. It has nothing to do with service time - if he's ready he'll get called up. He's not ready quite yet. His line 20 days ago was .234/.337/.390 in 89 plate appearances. Since then, including today, he's hitting .360/.435/.660... in 62 plate appearances. We're seeing him make adjustments to the level, and that's awesome. He's certainly got the makeup to handle the promotion whenever they make it. I still don't see it happening for another couple of weeks, at minimum. Of course, part of it may depend on how much longer they're going to let Iggy try to get his act together at third. .103/.103/.103 in his last 8 games... And by the way, there's nothing wrong with using slash lines. We're having an informal discussion about baseball, not trying to win an award for sabermetric research here. I don't know I go by a feeling and what I read. But I bet you felt that way about Iggy , He stumbled at AAA and according to you he would of never came up to the major league but he did just fine for 2 plus months. He is no way near the Xman. You are absolutely right. There's no way I'd have predicted he'd hit .400 on infield singles and fluky bloop hits for 38 games. But if you told me that was going to happen, I would definitely have told you he'd eventually regress to the mean like he is now. He's got an OPS of .499 for the month of July.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 25, 2013 21:13:52 GMT -5
Nick's parents were at the game. Also present were the proud parents of Lucinda Treat who was chief legal officer under John Henry for the Marlins (at age 28) and then in Boston in the same capacity. Although she has since moved on to work in the Detroit Piston's front office, she remembers Boston well and fondly. Her mother said Lucinda thought Kevin Youkilis was one of the nicest people in baseball. This is code for "Trey Ball will make his season debut next week," right?[/q Monday from what I understand.
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 25, 2013 21:16:58 GMT -5
anyone else thinks its a little silly to continue having neither of these guys in boston over Snyder? I don't even care which one.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 25, 2013 22:18:41 GMT -5
I think it's certainly questionable whether Bogaerts could help right now. He's basically just barely getting adjusted to Triple-A. Why would it be a foregone conclusion that he could hit in the major leagues? He JUST passed having 500 plate appearances in Double-A and Triple-A combined. It has nothing to do with service time - if he's ready he'll get called up. He's not ready quite yet. His line 20 days ago was .234/.337/.390 in 89 plate appearances. Since then, including today, he's hitting .360/.435/.660... in 62 plate appearances. We're seeing him make adjustments to the level, and that's awesome. He's certainly got the makeup to handle the promotion whenever they make it. I still don't see it happening for another couple of weeks, at minimum. Of course, part of it may depend on how much longer they're going to let Iggy try to get his act together at third. .103/.103/.103 in his last 8 games... And by the way, there's nothing wrong with using slash lines. We're having an informal discussion about baseball, not trying to win an award for sabermetric research here. While some prospects do not need 500 high minors plate appearances, it is probably more beneficial to the team that Bogaerts at least get some more time at AAA. It might be better to be safe than sorry with Bogaerts.
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Post by danr on Jul 25, 2013 23:20:36 GMT -5
Manny Delcarmen pitched for Norfolk tonight.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 26, 2013 5:15:38 GMT -5
anyone else thinks its a little silly to continue having neither of these guys in boston over Snyder? I don't even care which one. Snyder has a .313 wOBA in his major league career. WMB has .318. Given the small sample sizes involved, those numbers hardly support a verdict of "silly", especially given that Snyder appears to be slightly better at fielding the position.
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Post by borisman on Jul 26, 2013 6:06:32 GMT -5
Xander needs more reps at 3B before he gets a call up to the bigs. I don't see it happening. He's just now catching fire at AAA. It's a lot of pressure for a 20 year to make a position switch and face major league pitching. And speaking of 3B, how many games has he played there this year? I don't remember it being more than 5 or so.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 26, 2013 6:15:29 GMT -5
Not saying this would happen but the sox are having all sorts of problems against tough Lefthanders... I know there would need to be a lot of roster moves for this to happen BUT....
Imagine this line-up against a Lefty
Ellsbury CF Victorino RF Pedroia 2B Papi DH Napoli 1B Xander SS Middlebrooks 3B Gomes or Nava LF Salty C
That's a really deep line-up with all sorts of Pop and balance... It's fun to think about for the future. A pitcher really gets no breaks (easy outs) with that line-up
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 26, 2013 6:32:08 GMT -5
Xander needs more reps at 3B before he gets a call up to the bigs. I don't see it happening. He's just now catching fire at AAA. It's a lot of pressure for a 20 year to make a position switch and face major league pitching. And speaking of 3B, how many games has he played there this year? I don't remember it being more than 5 or so. Iglesias had all of one game's experience at 3B in Pawtucket before he was called up. Granted, he's the greatest defensive player in MLB history, but if they call up Xander it's not for his defense. As long as he's not a butcher, you know. And if he fails at the plate, so what? Clearly, struggling in his initial MLB stint has forever tarnished Jackie Bradley Jr.'s career...
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2013 7:12:44 GMT -5
Manny Machado also had only two games at third in the minor leagues, and he's been really excellent there.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 26, 2013 7:25:36 GMT -5
Don't forget Bogaerts played 3b for the Netherlands in the WBC earlier this year. He was fine over there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 26, 2013 7:29:10 GMT -5
Clearly, struggling in his initial MLB stint has forever tarnished Jackie Bradley Jr.'s career... Who?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 26, 2013 7:34:16 GMT -5
Not saying this would happen but the sox are having all sorts of problems against tough Lefthanders... I know there would need to be a lot of roster moves for this to happen BUT.... Imagine this line-up against a Lefty Ellsbury CF Victorino RF Pedroia 2B Papi DH Napoli 1B Xander SS Middlebrooks 3B Gomes or Nava LF Salty C That's a really deep line-up with all sorts of Pop and balance... It's fun to think about for the future. A pitcher really gets no breaks (easy outs) with that line-upIf we're living in some type of bizzaro world where hamburgers eat people and Will Middlebrooks can hit, sure. WMB in AAA, 2012: 7.0 BB% 18.0 K%, .344 ISO WMB in AAA, 2013: 7.6 BB% 18.2 K%, .197 ISO
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