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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 21, 2013 11:45:46 GMT -5
Rakuten also has to think about the potential PR hit they could take by not posting a player they already agreed to post and who really wants to be posted. Yea, and they also would have a PR hit when their local team had less than a "Stellar" chance at repeating their World Championship win. And just when was this 'they already agreed to post" supposed to be? All we have for sure is some US writer say so on a second hand report of what they stated to a Japanese reporter??? There are all kinds of things Mega-rich owners take in consideration of what THEY want or what is best for their interests. One of them being Championships for their team which I'm sure brings in more bucks for their franchise. We over here always (rightfully so) want the best to be in the US so we can win our "WORLD" championship but when it comes push to shove so do the other countries want their "world" championships too. Just saying their is a lot of different factors for the Japanese owners.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 21, 2013 12:36:04 GMT -5
I was t referring to their fans being upset. More about attacking free agents. The Giants are the Yankees of Japan they wouldn't be affected the same way a small market team would be. I'm sure it's minor and it's speculative it may exist. I was simply adding to the things the team needs to think about not putting a weight on its importance.
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Post by jmei on Dec 21, 2013 16:03:26 GMT -5
I moved some lovely off-topic posts to the throwdown forum.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 22, 2013 13:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Dec 24, 2013 18:20:45 GMT -5
@dylanohernandez Take this for what it's worth but Sponichi reports the Rakuten Golden Eagles have decided to post Masahiro Tanaka. bit.ly/1igmgQZ
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 24, 2013 18:45:43 GMT -5
@dylanohernandez Take this for what it's worth but Sponichi reports the Rakuten Golden Eagles have decided to post Masahiro Tanaka. bit.ly/1igmgQZ Would not shock me I'd the cubs or sea get him
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 24, 2013 19:22:11 GMT -5
“@dylanohernandez: This is fun: Sports Jiji reporting that Rakuten will not let Tanaka go to the major leagues. t.co/pAsqMOxxAM”
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Post by Guidas on Dec 24, 2013 19:22:23 GMT -5
Red Sox please. And to all, ??!
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Post by ibsmith85 on Dec 24, 2013 21:08:52 GMT -5
For what its worth, the 4 letter network is reporting that Tanaka will be posted, per the Sponichi report. ESPN.com
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 24, 2013 23:37:11 GMT -5
Red Sox please. And to all, ??! Not happening. I would expect him to wind up in pinstripes when all is said and done. I'm not sure the Sox would even put up the maximum posting bid to even attempt to negotiate with him.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 24, 2013 23:52:49 GMT -5
Red Sox please. And to all, ??! Not happening. I would expect him to wind up in pinstripes when all is said and done. I'm not sure the Sox would even put up the maximum posting bid to even attempt to negotiate with him. I think the cubs or SEA will get him...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 24, 2013 23:58:45 GMT -5
Not happening. I would expect him to wind up in pinstripes when all is said and done. I'm not sure the Sox would even put up the maximum posting bid to even attempt to negotiate with him. I think the cubs or SEA will get him... We'll see how it turns out. The Yanks are pretty desperate and if they're going to be above the $189 million figure they don't care how far over they go. They're just not crazy enough to pay Cano until he's 41 since they're already paying A-Rod into his 40s. That's about the only lesson they've learned. Either the Yanks give Pineida a shot or they sign Tanaka. My guess is they're signing Tanaka one way or the other.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 25, 2013 1:13:43 GMT -5
Rakuten announced that he's being posted.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Dec 25, 2013 2:36:12 GMT -5
Looks like Tellem is his agent. If true, I would think the dodgers are out(he tried to buy them and lost out to magic).
Could be good news for the yanks or Rangers.
I don't think it looks good for the sox but who knows?
Btw
Merry Xmas to all!
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Post by jimoh on Dec 25, 2013 6:46:42 GMT -5
is it really true that once the MFY go over the limit they don't care by how much? Wouldn't they want to get back under in a couple of years after some big contracts expire, to avoid the escalating fines?
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Post by artfuldodger on Dec 25, 2013 7:51:14 GMT -5
Any predictions on Tanaka's contract? i am thinking 5 or 6 years at Beckett or Peavy money?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 25, 2013 9:48:56 GMT -5
Looks like Tellem is his agent. If true, I would think the dodgers are out(he tried to buy them and lost out to magic). That would make him a pretty bad businessman and an even worse agent.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Dec 25, 2013 9:49:17 GMT -5
Personally I find it likely that either Los Angeles team, Chicago, New York, and maybe even Seattle are possible fits for Tanaka. If it happened, sure why not, we could use some youth in the rotation.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 25, 2013 9:59:43 GMT -5
Kansas City is still my darkhorse.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 25, 2013 10:59:00 GMT -5
is it really true that once the MFY go over the limit they don't care by how much? Wouldn't they want to get back under in a couple of years after some big contracts expire, to avoid the escalating fines? With or without Tanaka and even without A-Rod, they are likely to go over $189...all the noise to the contrary. Sure they would like to reset at 17.5% but it's not like they can't afford the luxury tax at whatever level. They paid 28M in tax last year. Since the tax was in play in 2003 they have paid $252 of the total $285M in tax levied against all teams. Let's say with bullpen help and arbitration for their remaining 25 man roster they get to 200M. Tanaka will be another $20M. So they'll be roughly 30M over the threshold and will pay $15M in tax....just a cost of doing business if you want a world champion and a lot less than they paid in tax this year when they floundered.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Dec 25, 2013 11:08:08 GMT -5
I heard his comp is Iwakuma with better stamina.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 25, 2013 12:00:56 GMT -5
FWIW, during his chat yesterday I asked Jeff Sullivan how he would rate Yu, Daisuke and Tanaka as prospects at the time of their posting and he rated them:
1. Yu 2. Daisuke 3. Tanaka
But the first two were pretty highly touted as aces while most of the talk of Tanaka has him as a young #2.
How does he compare to Homer Bailey (the youngest FA pitcher in next years class)?
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 25, 2013 12:10:21 GMT -5
So much is unknown about tanaka that to compare him to Bailey is unfair to Bailey. I liken it to NFL draft prospects. All the way up to the draft we hear about how good a player is. Then once he's drafted you start to hear all the things that are wrong. Tanaka is the prospect where it's all roses. Bailey is the drafted player where all the warts are out. The focus shifts.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 25, 2013 13:01:31 GMT -5
is it really true that once the MFY go over the limit they don't care by how much? Wouldn't they want to get back under in a couple of years after some big contracts expire, to avoid the escalating fines? With or without Tanaka and even without A-Rod, they are likely to go over $189...all the noise to the contrary. Sure they would like to reset at 17.5% but it's not like they can't afford the luxury tax at whatever level. They paid 28M in tax last year. Since the tax was in play in 2003 they have paid $252 of the total $285M in tax levied against all teams. Let's say with bullpen help and arbitration for their remaining 25 man roster they get to 200M. Tanaka will be another $20M. So they'll be roughly 30M over the threshold and will pay $15M in tax....just a cost of doing business if you want a world champion and a lot less than they paid in tax this year when they floundered. and the loss of the revenue-sharing rebate? which had been said to be a lot but maybe wouldn't be quite as much?
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 25, 2013 13:52:34 GMT -5
So much is unknown about tanaka that to compare him to Bailey is unfair to Bailey. I liken it to NFL draft prospects. All the way up to the draft we hear about how good a player is. Then once he's drafted you start to hear all the things that are wrong. Tanaka is the prospect where it's all roses. Bailey is the drafted player where all the warts are out. The focus shifts. True that my man, comparing him to Homer Bailey is not better than saying he is the next Kei Igawa. He's a relatively unknown quality, he doesn't have the undeniable physical tools of Darvish neither the myth surrounding Dice-BB. Plus, given the team's starting pitching situation, I can't see how the Red Sox don't pass on this one.
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