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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 26, 2013 23:05:53 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit:
Bogaerts HR total at Salem ( 384 AB ) = 15 at age 19
Coyle HR total at Salem ( 189 AB ) = 14 at age 21
Of course Coyle only had 9HR in Salem the year before but he did have 14 HR at Greenville in 384 AB when he was 19. The HR pop is not a complete aberration.
At Salem he had almost twice the HR pop of Bogaerts and all of baseball is raving about Bogaerts. I recognize that Xander's overall numbers were much better but again, Coyle gets little respect for what he does contribute. It seems that overall we see mainly what his problems are, not his strengths.
Jed lowrie hit .268 with 3 HR in 438 AB in high A ball at 21 years old after a significant college career but Lowrie became a decent mlb hitter. Coyle seems to have problems with swing and miss and his approach which no doubt are worrisome but he might just be a low average hitter with very significant pop for a 2nd baseman and that sort of RH bat might be very suitable in Fenway.
The kid definitely has potential.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2013 23:12:21 GMT -5
Bogaerts ... at age 19 Coyle ... at age 21 This fact makes the comparison more or less useless.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Aug 27, 2013 0:39:19 GMT -5
Though the power(.529 SLG and .280 ISO- likely a mirage) and the walk rate (11%) are very very encouraging, we need to remember that this is a guy who as an appropriately aged player repeating a league is striking out over 28% of the time. We need to temper expectations. He is certainly a prospect worth watching, but he profiles more like a poor man's Mark Bellhorn than a legitimate first division starter at this point in time.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 27, 2013 8:55:58 GMT -5
He is certainly a prospect worth watching, but he profiles more like a poor man's Mark Bellhorn than a legitimate first division starter at this point in time. That's not a bad place to be at all. I think Guy de la Varnway has been the only, ah, extravagant Coyle-booster. He's gotten more critical comments than anything. It's certainly a head-scratcher when a guy comes off a DL stint and raises his already high HR, walk, and K rates - it's not like he's not taking pitches. He should absolutely start next season in Portland at age 22 (if he makes it through the winter) and we'll see how he reacts - I could easily see him spending more than a year at AA.
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Post by zoot on Aug 27, 2013 9:04:42 GMT -5
Another solid performance by Vazquez, with two hits including a double and a walk. His average is up to .291 and his OPS is at .776. Those aren't the numbers of a great slugger, but that and the defense put him squarely in the discussion for a spot on the ML club in the not too distant future. He might very well see a call-up once the rosters expand. If you're going to give Saltalamacchia a break, you could do a lot worse than to bring Vazquez' arm into play. Vasquez is intriguing. I hadn't seen him before. He's built like a Mack truck with a solid foundation and has a quick and strong arm. The knock on him (I think) was that he had a taffy bat, but it didn't look like that last night. He squared up nicely on his two hits. Of course, he was facing the dreadful Fisher Cats pitching. And by the way, Pena was eminently hittable. Linares had two HRs. The first was a laser to left field. I didn't see the second, as I had to leave early. Cecchini with two very solid hits looked like he's ready to move up. I'd like to see how he does against some of the major league driftwood you find in 3XA.
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Post by mainesox on Aug 27, 2013 10:39:13 GMT -5
It's kind of like the kid is a 5'8 version of Bryce brentz so far isn't it? Swings at everything, low OBP, only Coyle is a 2b that could wind up as a utility IF if he develops rather than a RF/utility OF. Sox fans would probably be higher on Coyle if he was 3" taller and weighed 30lbs more. My thoughts at least. Coyle's career walk rate is almost 2 full percentage points higher than Brentz's single season career high, though, so I wouldn't label him a Brentz type quite yet.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2013 10:45:01 GMT -5
It's kind of like the kid is a 5'8 version of Bryce brentz so far isn't it? Swings at everything, low OBP, only Coyle is a 2b that could wind up as a utility IF if he develops rather than a RF/utility OF. Sox fans would probably be higher on Coyle if he was 3" taller and weighed 30lbs more. My thoughts at least. Coyle's career walk rate is almost 2 full percentage points higher than Brentz's single season career high, though, so I wouldn't label him a Brentz type quite yet. Yeah I don't really think it's an apt comparison. He had one of the highest walk rates in the system in 2011 in Greenville. That got cut in half last year but it's back up to 11% this year, fifth on the Salem team.
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Post by jmei on Aug 27, 2013 10:49:08 GMT -5
I understand tempering of enthusiasm with Coyle, especially once the Bogaerts comparison came out. But Coyle is still absolutely a prospect, even with the semi-lost year. He'll only be 22 next year (in either Salem or Portland), and he's still got starting 2B potential. His biggest bugaboo is strikeouts, but he does check off pretty much everything else on the list (plus power, will take walks, a little speed, solid defense).
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