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Brentz
May 23, 2013 9:34:28 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 9:34:28 GMT -5
If Victorino were disabled they would probably have to go and get someone who could be a backup CF. I'm sure that Casper Wells is due to be waived again in a few days.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 9:39:13 GMT -5
Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2013 9:39:13 GMT -5
If Victorino were disabled they would probably have to go and get someone who could be a backup CF. I'm sure that Casper Wells is due to be waived again in a few days. Agree with you. It's not the most glamorous thing, but if the Red Sox need a two week backup, the best thing to do is bring in someone who can be DFA'd at the end of two weeks. Jonathan Van Every is still playing independent ball.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 9:44:56 GMT -5
Post by welovewally on May 23, 2013 9:44:56 GMT -5
Brentz has 44 hits in 40 games. That averages out to be 176 hits in 160 games and last I heard a 200 hit season was really really good. 19 of his 44 hits this year have been for extra bases & for his career 41% of his hits have been for extra bases. I see him in the mold of a Jay Bruce, Nick Markakis, Michael Cuddyer, Greg Jones type player maybe even Tony Armas. Bring him up and play him everyday in LF & RF, bat him 6th 7th and he will drive in runs with excellent defense. He has done it at every level and will do it in Boston. That's what I think.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 9:46:43 GMT -5
Post by iakovos11 on May 23, 2013 9:46:43 GMT -5
Think I'll go along with the scout's view of Brentz, all the same.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 10:19:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 10:19:31 GMT -5
If they had to make a decision like that today, my choice would be Scott Cousins.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 10:30:12 GMT -5
Post by jdb on May 23, 2013 10:30:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure I would call Brentz D average much less excellent. I know reports have him as potentially above average but I think that's tied in mostly with his arm. He had 5 E's in less than 90 OF games last year which was down drastically from his 17 in 108 games of 2011.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 10:36:06 GMT -5
Post by jimoh on May 23, 2013 10:36:06 GMT -5
Brentz has 44 hits in 40 games. That averages out to be 196 hits in 160 games... Um, no.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 11:23:53 GMT -5
Post by welovewally on May 23, 2013 11:23:53 GMT -5
Brentz has 44 hits in 40 games. That averages out to be 196 hits in 160 games... Um, no. 176, Missed typed
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 11:36:23 GMT -5
Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 23, 2013 11:36:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure I would call Brentz D average much less excellent. I know reports have him as potentially above average but I think that's tied in mostly with his arm. He had 5 E's in less than 90 OF games last year which was down drastically from his 17 in 108 games of 2011. I could be wrong but I vaguely remember that Brentz has more than 5 errors already this year. I don't want to hate on the guy. He is close to being a good call up. I just would consider JBJ based upon the situation and I don't think JBJ's small sample size in mlb is definitive. It's not like Brentz is expected to tear up mlb any time soon either. We are going to have to give mlb level development time to our prospects anyway at some point, for those we want to keep. I would rather give them playing time rather than a guy who is a career dfa candidate.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 11:50:54 GMT -5
Post by honkbal on May 23, 2013 11:50:54 GMT -5
Except, 176 is not really all that close to 200. Also, there is this new statistic called batting average that has the idea you are going for here pretty much covered.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 12:03:30 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 12:03:30 GMT -5
Jay Buhner struck less walked more and was a better fielder with more power. Other than that Brentz is exactly like Buhner. Josh Reddick with less fielding ability might be a better comparison. Reddick has a great glove. won the gold glove award last year
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 12:29:44 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 12:29:44 GMT -5
Jay Buhner struck less walked more and was a better fielder with more power. Other than that Brentz is exactly like Buhner. Josh Reddick with less fielding ability might be a better comparison. Reddick has a great glove. won the gold glove award last year And no one will care if he doesn't hit. Hasn't hit in 2013 and didn't really hit in the back half of 2012 either.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 13:06:49 GMT -5
Post by hammerhead on May 23, 2013 13:06:49 GMT -5
Reddick has a great glove. won the gold glove award last year And no one will care if he doesn't hit. Hasn't hit in 2013 and didn't really hit in the back half of 2012 either. not sure what the point is here? Bryce Bentz isn't Josh Reddick in the outfield... good...grand , I haven't seen anyone say he is. Brentz is a perfectly adequate RF with a strong arm, and probably a superior hitter to Reddick. Reddick was cried over when he was traded, but he's been pretty crappy offensively. Bailey's been good so we won that trade. let's celebrate. Not sure what it has to do with Brentz though. Brentz could be a decent MLB player, but we'll never find out unless he gets a shot in times of injury (like if Nava or Victorino) get hurt. JBJ is a superior player in just about every aspect except power, but JBJ is only days removed from the DL.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 13:15:26 GMT -5
Post by texs31 on May 23, 2013 13:15:26 GMT -5
While I understand the point on Reddick, please don't use GGs to measure defensive ability. Remember, Rafael Palmeiro won one in 1999 after playing 28 games there.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 13:36:11 GMT -5
Post by sibbysisti on May 23, 2013 13:36:11 GMT -5
Can he play 3B?
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 13:37:50 GMT -5
Post by iakovos11 on May 23, 2013 13:37:50 GMT -5
I am curious why you think Brentz is "probably a superior hitter to Reddick"
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May 23, 2013 15:15:59 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 15:15:59 GMT -5
I am curious why you think Brentz is "probably a superior hitter to Reddick" Second.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 15:36:34 GMT -5
Post by okin15 on May 23, 2013 15:36:34 GMT -5
Except, 176 is not really all that close to 200. Also, there is this new statistic called batting average that has the idea you are going for here pretty much covered. Yeah, 176 is not anywhere near 200. And how many guys play 162 games? And if they do, they get 610-650 AB's sooo.... around a 270 to 290 average. Yeah, so, what honkball said.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 16:50:14 GMT -5
Post by Guidas on May 23, 2013 16:50:14 GMT -5
And no one will care if he doesn't hit. Hasn't hit in 2013 and didn't really hit in the back half of 2012 either. not sure what the point is here? Bryce Bentz isn't Josh Reddick in the outfield... good...grand , I haven't seen anyone say he is. Brentz is a perfectly adequate RF with a strong arm, and probably a superior hitter to Reddick. Reddick was cried over when he was traded, but he's been pretty crappy offensively. Bailey's been good so we won that trade. let's celebrate.Not sure what it has to do with Brentz though. Brentz could be a decent MLB player, but we'll never find out unless he gets a shot in times of injury (like if Nava or Victorino) get hurt. JBJ is a superior player in just about every aspect except power, but JBJ is only days removed from the DL. Bailey pitched 15 1/3 innings last year with a 7.04 ERA Bailey has appeared in 13 1/3 innings this year with 2.03 ERA but has already spent time on the DL, has a history of injuries and offers no guarantees of health going forward. Reddick hit .242/.305/.463 with 32 HRs and a 4.5 WAR last year. He is currently on the DL with a wrist injury and is .152/.266/.250 so far this year in less than 100 ABs. If you use trade to present as a judgement point I still don't see how this trade was a "win" for the Sox.
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May 23, 2013 17:51:51 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on May 23, 2013 17:51:51 GMT -5
Brentz has 44 hits in 40 games. That averages out to be 176 hits in 160 games and last I heard a 200 hit season was really really good. 19 of his 44 hits this year have been for extra bases & for his career 41% of his hits have been for extra bases. I see him in the mold of a Jay Bruce, Nick Markakis, Michael Cuddyer, Greg Jones type player maybe even Tony Armas. Bring him up and play him everyday in LF & RF, bat him 6th 7th and he will drive in runs with excellent defense. He has done it at every level and will do it in Boston. That's what I think. So... an outfielder, then? Because that's about what those guys have in common.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 19:37:21 GMT -5
Post by jmei on May 23, 2013 19:37:21 GMT -5
Anyone else notice how a guy like Brentz who was a top pick and a top 10 prospect in the system gets slammed for possibly only being a .280/.330/.490 type of hitter? People do realize that this is a pretty good line right? Is the OBP lower then we'd like? Sure, but we need to temper expectations. DeSarcina recently compared him to Jay Buhner. I'd be very happy with that toe of production. Only Brentz optimists think he can put up that line at the major league level. I, for instance, have him at something closer to .260/.310/.460, which is slightly below-average for a corner outfielder. A good comparison might actually be old friend Cody Ross, who is a career .263/.324/.456 hitter. If Brentz can put up a similar line with slightly worse defense and less extreme left/right splits, I would be thrilled.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 21:58:26 GMT -5
Post by dmaineah on May 23, 2013 21:58:26 GMT -5
I hope that Brentz will be up sometime this year & I think he will show that he is deserving of a full-time role. Especially given the current state of LF, Ellsbury probably moving on and the ability of Victorino to stay in the lineup; ala J. D. Drew. I look forward to his arrival and believe he will be a productive run producer and mainstay for years to come. I loved watching him play while he was here in Portland and from what I read he seems to be doing great in Pawtucket.
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Brentz
May 23, 2013 22:48:46 GMT -5
Post by wskeleton76 on May 23, 2013 22:48:46 GMT -5
To me he is a poor man's WMB. I don't understand the optimism. He should improve plate discipline a lot in AAA before being called up.
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Brentz
May 24, 2013 6:38:15 GMT -5
Post by chrisfromnc on May 24, 2013 6:38:15 GMT -5
All of this talk about outfield depth makes me feel even worse about Ryan Kalish. The guy has totally dropped off the radar. I'm hoping his rehab is going well and that he can reach his potential of being a solid major league player.
(Sorry to drag the thread even further off the topic of Brentz)
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Brentz
May 24, 2013 9:08:36 GMT -5
Post by rjp313jr on May 24, 2013 9:08:36 GMT -5
To me he is a poor man's WMB. I don't understand the optimism. He should improve plate discipline a lot in AAA before being called up. Considering its questionable that WMB is a viable ajar league starter, a poor mans Middlebrooks, is not a good place to be.
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