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Post by ericmvan on Sept 27, 2013 21:28:02 GMT -5
First inning, Crisp doubles, Lowrie singles, and Moss hits a 3-run bomb off of Felix. Shouldn't we get credit for that somehow?
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Post by p23w on Sept 27, 2013 21:31:49 GMT -5
Colon has accounted for 18.1% of the A's victories. Hernandez has accounted for 17.1% of the Mariners wins. Good enough for ya'?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2013 22:39:44 GMT -5
First inning, Crisp doubles, Lowrie singles, and Moss hits a 3-run bomb off of Felix. Shouldn't we get credit for that somehow? What, Joel Hanrahan isn't enough for you?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2013 22:43:35 GMT -5
Timlin's memory is combining his debut (which was Opening Day) and his second appearance, in the third game of the series. Opening Day, he was pitching garbage time, and the Jays lost 6-2. Two days later he pitched the 8th, down 3-2, and in the bottom half, Pat Tabler hit a 3-run homer off of Jeff Gray, and Henke saved his first career win. Perfect example of how our memories make better stories out of what happened to us. Ain't that the truth?! I met Oil Can Boyd a couple of years ago and I told him one of my most vivid memories as a kid was watching him pitch a complete game victory to clinch the AL East in 1986. I remember it vividly. The Sox won 12-3 vs Toronto on Sept 28, 1986 (a full 25 years before the Sox choked away the 2011 season on the same date). I think Duane Ward made his major league debut that day as the starter. I remember him popping up a young Kelly Gruber to end it (pop up to Buckner). Oil Can insisted it was Pat Borders who made the last out. I told him that I was pretty sure (honestly I'd bet my life on it) it was Gruber, and he insisted again it was Borders. I'm not crazy enough to argue with Oil Can so I said OK it was Borders knowing full well it was Gruber. I don't think Borders even played with the Blue Jays until later on in the decade. But yeah, players' memories aren't the greatest. I think diehard fans usually have better memories.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 27, 2013 23:32:45 GMT -5
Timlin's memory is combining his debut (which was Opening Day) and his second appearance, in the third game of the series. Opening Day, he was pitching garbage time, and the Jays lost 6-2. Two days later he pitched the 8th, down 3-2, and in the bottom half, Pat Tabler hit a 3-run homer off of Jeff Gray, and Henke saved his first career win. Perfect example of how our memories make better stories out of what happened to us. Ain't that the truth?! I met Oil Can Boyd a couple of years ago and I told him one of my most vivid memories as a kid was watching him pitch a complete game victory to clinch the AL East in 1986. I remember it vividly. The Sox won 12-3 vs Toronto on Sept 28, 1986 (a full 25 years before the Sox choked away the 2011 season on the same date). I think Duane Ward made his major league debut that day as the starter. I remember him popping up a young Kelly Gruber to end it (pop up to Buckner). Oil Can insisted it was Pat Borders who made the last out. I told him that I was pretty sure (honestly I'd bet my life on it) it was Gruber, and he insisted again it was Borders. I'm not crazy enough to argue with Oil Can so I said OK it was Borders knowing full well it was Gruber. I don't think Borders even played with the Blue Jays until later on in the decade. But yeah, players' memories aren't the greatest. I think diehard fans usually have better memories. Ward had pitched 11 games in relief that year, starting the season in the Braves' pen, being optioned in early June, and then traded to the Jays a month later and recalled in September. But that was his first major league start. And, yes, it was Kelly Gruber. Now that you mention it, I think I remember that, too! Pat Borders? Oil Can never faced him! And the rest of the story: the guy the Braves got for Ward was Doyle Alexander. A year later, they more famously dealt him for a 20 y/o prospect who was putting up a 5.73 ERA in AA / AAA ... John Smoltz, of course (but I never knew how terrible a season he had the year he was traded).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2013 8:38:37 GMT -5
Ain't that the truth?! I met Oil Can Boyd a couple of years ago and I told him one of my most vivid memories as a kid was watching him pitch a complete game victory to clinch the AL East in 1986. I remember it vividly. The Sox won 12-3 vs Toronto on Sept 28, 1986 (a full 25 years before the Sox choked away the 2011 season on the same date). I think Duane Ward made his major league debut that day as the starter. I remember him popping up a young Kelly Gruber to end it (pop up to Buckner). Oil Can insisted it was Pat Borders who made the last out. I told him that I was pretty sure (honestly I'd bet my life on it) it was Gruber, and he insisted again it was Borders. I'm not crazy enough to argue with Oil Can so I said OK it was Borders knowing full well it was Gruber. I don't think Borders even played with the Blue Jays until later on in the decade. But yeah, players' memories aren't the greatest. I think diehard fans usually have better memories. Ward had pitched 11 games in relief that year, starting the season in the Braves' pen, being optioned in early June, and then traded to the Jays a month later and recalled in September. But that was his first major league start. And, yes, it was Kelly Gruber. Now that you mention it, I think I remember that, too! Pat Borders? Oil Can never faced him! And the rest of the story: the guy the Braves got for Ward was Doyle Alexander. A year later, they more famously dealt him for a 20 y/o prospect who was putting up a 5.73 ERA in AA / AAA ... John Smoltz, of course (but I never knew how terrible a season he had the year he was traded). Guess my memory regarding Ward wasn't perfect but I remember him starting for the Jays and I remember the 9th inning vividly. Oil Can threw 6 pitches. He got Rick Leach to fly to Jim Rice on the first pitch. He struck out Manny Lee on 3 pitches, threw ball one to Kelly Gruber (why Can thinks it Borders I have no idea) and then popped him up to Bill Buckner. I had been following the Sox for six years and had never seen them win a thing. It was like Christmas morning - if I could imagine what that's like being that I'm Jewish. Something magical about those silly champagne celebrations, even as a fan just watching it. The other thing I remember is that I couldn't watch the game. We didn't have cable. I listened to it on WTIC 1080 in Hartford.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 28, 2013 9:04:59 GMT -5
Congrats to Big Papi on his 300/30/100 season ... and anything that gets me to go back and look at Ted Williams's stats is a good thing. I mean, certainly no disrespect to Ortiz, but he's not even in the same league as Williams. I had actually forgotten that Ted's age-38 season featured an OPS+ of 233! His final season at age 41 sported a 1.096 OPS for an OPS+ of 190. Good lord, what a hitter he was ...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2013 9:40:08 GMT -5
I had actually forgotten that Ted's age-38 season featured an OPS+ of 233! His final season at age 41 sported a 1.096 OPS for an OPS+ of 190. Good lord, what a hitter he was ... Obvious 'roider.
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2013 10:25:35 GMT -5
Not to be forgotten: Xander pinch-hit for Drew versus a lefty reliever and got a single. That's something we'll likely see in the playoffs, thought it looks like Drew will still start versus lefties.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 28, 2013 10:56:00 GMT -5
Not to be forgotten: Xander pinch-hit for Drew versus a lefty reliever and got a single. That's something we'll likely see in the playoffs, thought it looks like Drew will still start versus lefties. Uh, X pinch hit in the 9th inning of a blowout, to get Drew off the field. Don't know how relevant that may be in crunch time/close games during the playoffs.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2013 11:03:04 GMT -5
Not to be forgotten: Xander pinch-hit for Drew versus a lefty reliever and got a single. That's something we'll likely see in the playoffs, thought it looks like Drew will still start versus lefties. Uh, X pinch hit in the 9th inning of a blowout, to get Drew off the field. Don't know how relevant that may be in crunch time/close games during the playoffs. It's relevant in the context of Farrell's comments recently that he was going to do that a few times to close out the year to get him ready for doing that sort of thing in the playoffs. Otherwise I'd agree.
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2013 11:03:24 GMT -5
Farrell stated that he would consider pinch-hitting Xander for Drew against left-handed relievers in the playoffs and would get him some experience doing so by the end of the season. In light of that, this was not just a blowout substitution.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 28, 2013 14:18:52 GMT -5
Go Toronto.
Go Clevelad.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 28, 2013 15:04:35 GMT -5
Uh, X pinch hit in the 9th inning of a blowout, to get Drew off the field. Don't know how relevant that may be in crunch time/close games during the playoffs. It's relevant in the context of Farrell's comments recently that he was going to do that a few times to close out the year to get him ready for doing that sort of thing in the playoffs. Otherwise I'd agree. Sorry -- I've been out of the country and largely incommunicado for the past 3 weeks and just got back.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 28, 2013 15:05:31 GMT -5
Toronto is putting the hammer down on those poor Rays and the national audience is getting an earful of DeWayne Staats, Brian Anderson Cryfest this afternoon. Hard to figure them letting them announce this game. Those 2 of them all. Joe Morgan would have turned off less fans than those 2 goons nationally.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 28, 2013 15:42:30 GMT -5
Go Seattle!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 28, 2013 16:48:03 GMT -5
... and they have!
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Post by p23w on Sept 28, 2013 16:53:43 GMT -5
Beware Seattle's bullpen. I would love to see Iwakuma close this out.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 28, 2013 17:57:18 GMT -5
Holy crap, Jed Lowrie up with the bases full and 2 outs in the 8th, A's trailing just 7-5 ... and he fans!
A's win probability, down to 1.2% when they were down 7-1, and up to 18.4% when Chris Young led off the 8th with a double, now back down to 4.3%.
Mariners out quickly in the bottom of the 8th, A's last chance next.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 28, 2013 18:09:32 GMT -5
A's down to their last out, Josh Reddick. Fouls off an 0-2 pitch ...
And the Sox clinch home field advantage, as he fouls out to C.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 28, 2013 18:15:10 GMT -5
Congrats to the Sox on home field. Take Lester out after 5 . Let the starters get some swings then put in the back ups.
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Post by preston on Sept 28, 2013 18:29:13 GMT -5
When's the last time the Red Sox were the number one seed in the AL? What about the last time they finished with the best record in the entire league? Despite finishing with the same record as the Indians in 2007, they did not gain homefield because of a tiebreaker.
Was it '46?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 28, 2013 18:57:04 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, I'd go with 1986. Pretty sure the Sox had the best record in the AL that year.
It's a great accomplishment after last year, been a great year to be a Sox fan.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 28, 2013 19:45:34 GMT -5
The Red Sox did have homefield in '07 against Cleveland. Remember Pedroia's Game 7 homer where he flipped the bat and it went about 18 inches over the monster?
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Post by preston on Sept 28, 2013 19:52:42 GMT -5
The Red Sox did have homefield in '07 against Cleveland. Remember Pedroia's Game 7 homer where he flipped the bat and it went about 18 inches over the monster? Yeah, you're right. The only thing I really remember clearly about that series was Drew's grand slam.
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