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Post by larrycook on Oct 19, 2013 9:03:03 GMT -5
We could also use our Starting pitching depth to try and pry Goldschmidt from Arizona.
Doubront, Renauldo, Webster and De La Rosa for Goldschmidt?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2013 9:49:38 GMT -5
We could also use our Starting pitching depth to try and pry Goldschmidt from Arizona. Doubront, Renauldo, Webster and De La Rosa for Goldschmidt? No says Arizona... Why would they trade one of the best hitters in the game who's extremely affordable for middle of the road pitching when they are flush with young arms? Please don't answer that - wrong place for it. Tanaka and Darvish are not related. Sox will be in on Tanaka if they really like him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 19, 2013 11:39:02 GMT -5
A back of the rotation starter and three minor leaguers/fringe MLBers whose ceilings are probably middle-to-back of the rotation and project as either back of rotation or bullpen for one of the five most valuable players in the NL this year? Just FYI, this is what you just proposed. If the Red Sox were the Diamondbacks and made that trade, you'd flip out.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jan 12, 2015 1:37:13 GMT -5
Larry, you got the team right minus Doubront and my main man Renauldo. This is a bit early, but I could see Boston matching up with Arizona next offseason. Goldy's ridiculously friendly contract after next offseason (3/$25.88mil) would usually mean he's off limits, but it's Arizona so who knows. The only two catchers Arizona currently has on their 40 man are Tuffy Gosewisch and Oscar Hernandez (#1 Rule-5 pick) who hasn't played above A ball. It's highly unlikely that Boston deals one of Vazquez/Swihart before spring training (or during the season for that matter), but the likelihood of it increases exponentially after the 2015 season. Not going to mock trades a year ahead of time, but a package headlined by Swihart or Vazquez could net Goldschmidt.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 13, 2015 2:10:14 GMT -5
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 13, 2015 4:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 13, 2015 7:53:13 GMT -5
I know who Doubront, Webster and de la Rosa are (and that none of them play for the Red Sox anymore). No idea about this "Renauldo" character though.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 13, 2015 8:54:33 GMT -5
I know who Doubront, Webster and de la Rosa are (and that none of them play for the Red Sox anymore). No idea about this "Renauldo" character though. You quoted Charlie, who was pretty obviously making a joke about the OP.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 13, 2015 10:11:28 GMT -5
Goldschmidt is probably untouchable based on principal. You'd really have to overwhelm to pry him away, and to overwhelm Goldscmidt's value is quite the task.
I do think that one of Vazquez or Swihart could be major trade pieces once they establish themselves in the MLB. I'm thinking something similar to Salvador Perez's trade value, which is pretty high.
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Post by greenmonstah on Feb 10, 2015 17:20:53 GMT -5
Swihart and Owens are starting points for Goldschmidt. They'd want Betts too, and the Sox don't need 1B with Napoli and Craig, and Sam Travis looks like a major high rising prospect.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 10, 2015 20:43:08 GMT -5
Swihart and Owens are starting points for Goldschmidt. They'd want Betts too, and the Sox don't need 1B with Napoli and Craig, and Sam Travis looks like a major high rising prospect. I like Sam travis as much as the next sp troller, but goldy he is not. Napoli will be out of the game in 4 years tops, and Craig is the definition of a gamble. THat Being said, I would start with one of HO and BS, with no mookie. Mooks at this point is untouchable I would imagine. 22 yo obp machines with speed, a good stick, versatility and a little pop don't grow on trees
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 11, 2015 13:54:03 GMT -5
In Jonah Keri's annual trade value package, he rated Goldschmidt the #3 value in baseball. Do people realize how hilariously team-friendly that dude's deal is? 4/$29, with a team option for 2019 at $14.5M. They aren't trading him.
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Post by greenmonstah on Feb 11, 2015 19:22:58 GMT -5
Swihart and Owens are starting points for Goldschmidt. They'd want Betts too, and the Sox don't need 1B with Napoli and Craig, and Sam Travis looks like a major high rising prospect. I like Sam travis as much as the next sp troller, but goldy he is not. Napoli will be out of the game in 4 years tops, and Craig is the definition of a gamble. THat Being said, I would start with one of HO and BS, with no mookie. Mooks at this point is untouchable I would imagine. 22 yo obp machines with speed, a good stick, versatility and a little pop don't grow on trees I agree on not wanting to move Mookie, but I have a feeling he'd be the first guy AZ wants. Maybe Swihart actually, since C is a need for them since they just dealt Montero.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 11, 2015 20:27:29 GMT -5
In Jonah Keri's annual trade value package, he rated Goldschmidt the #3 value in baseball. Do people realize how hilariously team-friendly that dude's deal is? 4/$29, with a team option for 2019 at $14.5M. They aren't trading him. Its still legal to discuss the possibility no? Would you ponder over mooks Blake, and some second tier guys for goldy?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 11, 2015 21:29:55 GMT -5
In Jonah Keri's annual trade value package, he rated Goldschmidt the #3 value in baseball. Do people realize how hilariously team-friendly that dude's deal is? 4/$29, with a team option for 2019 at $14.5M. They aren't trading him. Its still legal to discuss the possibility no? Would you ponder over mooks Blake, and some second tier guys for goldy? Why would Arizona trade a potentially perenial All-Star on a team friendly contract for 1 prospect and second tier guys? Even if he became available, other teams would gladly blow out that offer.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 11, 2015 21:35:25 GMT -5
Its still legal to discuss the possibility no? Would you ponder over mooks Blake, and some second tier guys for goldy? Why would Arizona trade a potentially perenial All-Star on a team friendly contract for 1 prospect and second tier guys? Even if he became available, other teams would gladly blow out that offer. I mentioned mookie and blake. Plus some 5-10 guys. I guess i think its not as one sided as you may think. And yes you are correct other teams may do that, unfortunately I am not on their prospect site.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2015 9:56:32 GMT -5
In Jonah Keri's annual trade value package, he rated Goldschmidt the #3 value in baseball. Do people realize how hilariously team-friendly that dude's deal is? 4/$29, with a team option for 2019 at $14.5M. They aren't trading him. Its still legal to discuss the possibility no? Would you ponder over mooks Blake, and some second tier guys for goldy? Only if they throw in a teleporter.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 12, 2015 13:40:11 GMT -5
I would never trade Goldschmidt for a teleporter. Didn't you see The Fly? You'd end up with some grotesque Blookie Bethart hybrid.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2015 15:36:36 GMT -5
I would never trade Goldschmidt for a teleporter. Didn't you see The Fly? You'd end up with some grotesque Blookie Bethart hybrid. Maybe that would help Buchholz.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2015 19:58:00 GMT -5
Goldy is great and all but I definitely wouldn't do Mookie and Swihart for him.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 12, 2015 21:12:03 GMT -5
I would never trade Goldschmidt for a teleporter. Didn't you see The Fly? You'd end up with some grotesque Blookie Bethart hybrid. Hey, don't bring Goldblum into this.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 12, 2015 21:15:40 GMT -5
Its still legal to discuss the possibility no? Would you ponder over mooks Blake, and some second tier guys for goldy? Only if they throw in a teleporter. was just showing that goldy and his friendly contract aren't impossible. I'm in the dc area, and friends wanted mooks and a bag of chips for Jzimm. That may be because of the pedestal I have built for Mookie on the balcony.
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Post by ethanbein on Feb 12, 2015 23:14:49 GMT -5
So let's see, Goldschmidt (conservatively) projects at something like 23 WAR over the next 5 years (with the option). At (again, conservatively), $7 million/WAR, that's $161 million of value there. And he's getting paid... $43 million, if the option gets picked up? That's insane. That's Mookie + Swihart + Owens territory. Never going to happen, but fun to think about.
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Post by larrycook on Feb 15, 2015 1:41:14 GMT -5
So let's see, Goldschmidt (conservatively) projects at something like 23 WAR over the next 5 years (with the option). At (again, conservatively), $7 million/WAR, that's $161 million of value there. And he's getting paid... $43 million, if the option gets picked up? That's insane. That's Mookie + Swihart + Owens territory. Never going to happen, but fun to think about. Are goldscmidt's numbers inflated artificially by playing in Arizona?
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 15, 2015 14:21:00 GMT -5
No. WAR is park adjusted.
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