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Post by ikonos on Dec 18, 2013 0:27:58 GMT -5
I agree. Minor league players are expected to get by on less than what your standard walmart door greeter gets each month. "Oh and its a shame that prospect x comes into camp out of shape" because, ya know, ramen and no gym membership make for a great workout partnership. Also salary floors seems like a no brainer. Just curious as I do not know the answer, how much do MiL players get paid for A, A+, AA and AAA? I always thought its around 50-60K. On a side note the walmart door greeter is not making more than 15K max if they are lucky and often with out any meaningful benefits.
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Post by raftsox on Dec 18, 2013 4:52:31 GMT -5
I agree. Minor league players are expected to get by on less than what your standard walmart door greeter gets each month. "Oh and its a shame that prospect x comes into camp out of shape" because, ya know, ramen and no gym membership make for a great workout partnership. Also salary floors seems like a no brainer. Just curious as I do not know the answer, how much do MiL players get paid for A, A+, AA and AAA? I always thought its around 50-60K. On a side note the walmart door greeter is not making more than 15K max if they are lucky and often with out any meaningful benefits. SSA and first year of playing is $850/ month max. It goes up from there to $2150/month in AAA. Those are the standard rates. I think they only make that while in season, too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 18, 2013 6:48:42 GMT -5
Just curious as I do not know the answer, how much do MiL players get paid for A, A+, AA and AAA? I always thought its around 50-60K. On a side note the walmart door greeter is not making more than 15K max if they are lucky and often with out any meaningful benefits. SSA and first year of playing is $850/ month max. It goes up from there to $2150/month in AAA. Those are the standard rates. I think they only make that while in season, too. Yes, this is true. They don't get paid during spring training, instructs, or the like except for per diem. However, the $850 is a bit low. Looks like SSA minimum is $1150/mo now. www.thinkbluela.com/index.php/2013/01/29/life-in-the-minor-leagues/So yeah, that salary for five months... you can see why guys take jobs in the offseason.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 18, 2013 8:29:17 GMT -5
A lot of things should happen that don't because of unions and big business. Here you're dealing with both so good luck with that... You do realize that only reason minor leaguers don't make any money is because they're NOT union members, right? That was entirely my point. If they were they'd have higher salaries. The players union isn't giving up a piece of their pie for nonunion labor. And big business isn't paying higher salaries to those who they don't have to. Hence, the two groups being what a minor leaguer is dealing with.
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Post by joshv02 on Dec 18, 2013 8:51:41 GMT -5
Yeah, read the many articles by Garrett Broshuis (and for the [new] lawyers, he has a law review article on SSRN, complete with charts of average salaries [flawed though they are] and other goodies).
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Post by jimoh on Dec 21, 2013 12:48:56 GMT -5
The word criteria is plural.
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Post by jmei on Dec 21, 2013 12:57:39 GMT -5
Consolidated some posts.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 23, 2014 16:55:48 GMT -5
Sean McAdam ?@sean_McAdam 1h Lester on contract extension: "They know I don't want to go anywhere & hopefully we can sit down in spring training & iron some stuff out."
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 56m Lester isn't using Kershaw as a bar in any way: "That one in itself is off on its own."
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 43m Lester on staying with #RedSox: "These guys are my No. 1 priority. I want to be here until they have to rip this jersey off my back.
Sean McAdam ?@sean_McAdam 44m Lester acknowledged extension will mean leaving some $ on table, but added: "You don't want to be the guy that makes that market come down.'
Gordon Edes ?@gordonedes 37m Lester says he not only expects he will have to take a discount to stay, he's willing to do so''
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 37m Lester: "I want to win. If it means taking a Pedroia deal where you stay for less money to be happy and win every year, let's do it" #RedSox
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 28m More from Lester on possible extension: "I understand you're going to take a discount to stay. Do I want to do that? Absolutely." #RedSox
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 23, 2014 16:58:25 GMT -5
Boston Red Sox ? redsox 1h .@jlester31 media session before tonights Writers Dinner. "I want to stay here. I've grown up in this organization." pic.twitter.com/WM6f1wIP4d Boston Red Sox ? redsox 1h Lester: "Since we left Boston all my son's talked about is going home to Boston. This is our home. This is what I've known.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 23, 2014 17:05:44 GMT -5
those kind of quotes always sound good. Hope it's more than just talk.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 23, 2014 17:05:53 GMT -5
Sean McAdam ?@sean_McAdam 44m Lester acknowledged extension will mean leaving some $ on table, but added: " You don't want to be the guy that makes that market come down.' You have to wonder if someone in the players union didn't maybe talk to him about this after his original comments about taking a discount to stay.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 23, 2014 17:09:21 GMT -5
I don't think resigning at under market brings the market down. Pedey didn't seem to affect Cano much.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 23, 2014 17:14:06 GMT -5
Players typically don't make these types of comments. They are pretty definitive.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 23, 2014 17:17:26 GMT -5
Maybe he'll settle for a Lackey deal or slightly more.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 23, 2014 17:27:20 GMT -5
I have little doubt he'll get extended.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jan 23, 2014 17:47:06 GMT -5
I don't see how Lester will extend for less than 5 years and $110 mil. The Yankees just gave effectively $175 mil over 7 years for Tanaka. Lester is a least a proven commodity and he has also been a proven playoff guy who has been durable. All those things are valuable. If he makes it to FA he probably gets close to $140 mil ( assuming he has another year like the last one ).
When a player has a solid year like Ortiz just had or Scherzer you start hearing a lot about how they want an extention. How much they love playing in boston...etc. Sometimes it is just better to see how they do and either take the pick or do a deal then. I'm in that mode with Lester unless he gives some hometown discount. We could be in the same mode with Peavy. We may end up with 2 picks before it is done.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 23, 2014 18:06:34 GMT -5
I don't see how Lester will extend for less than 5 years and $110 mil. The Yankees just gave effectively $175 mil over 7 years for Tanaka. Lester is a least a proven commodity and he has also been a proven playoff guy who has been durable. All those things are valuable. If he makes it to FA he probably gets close to $140 mil ( assuming he has another year like the last one ). When a player has a solid year like Ortiz just had or Scherzer you start hearing a lot about how they want an extention. How much they love playing in boston...etc. Sometimes it is just better to see how they do and either take the pick or do a deal then. I'm in that mode with Lester unless he gives some hometown discount. We could be in the same mode with Peavy. We may end up with 2 picks before it is done. Did you not read the tweets? He said he was willing to give a hometown discount. That's exactly what he said he's prepared to do. Tanaka was essentially on the free market, he has no place in this conversation.
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Post by jmei on Jan 23, 2014 18:07:17 GMT -5
Neither Tanaka (because of his age) or Kershaw (because of his eliteness) are useful comps for Lester. I think the best comp is Adam Wainwright's five-year, $97.5m extension, which he signed in March 2013 at the age of 31 (the extension covers his age 32-36 seasons). Maybe bump that up a little due to inflation, but it should be pretty easy for both sides to settle on something like 5/$100m.
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Post by highcheeseandtaters on Jan 23, 2014 18:14:52 GMT -5
Does anyone else here loathe "extension" talks & rumors as much as me? I wish they were all "proactive" and behind the scenes like Pedey's-- unlike Papi's & Lester's.
So much speculation & conjecture, and they tend to drag on forever with endless reading of the tea leaves. A lot of wasted energy and needless distraction if you ask me.
Maybe its just me...
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 23, 2014 18:21:08 GMT -5
Lester isn't taking it public, he's just answering questions and being nothing but fair about things. You didn't hear too much about Pedey's ( note it wasn't out of no where tho) mostly because it was both in season and way early. Ortiz is moaning about wanting money for respect, etc. Lester is costing himself leverage and money each time he talks. Big difference, but Lester just wants to get a good deal and stay here so as long as the RS don't screw it up, it should be rather easy. 5/110 sound about right. Maybe try 5/96.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 23, 2014 18:32:15 GMT -5
Lester isn't taking it public, he's just answering questions and being nothing but fair about things. You didn't hear too much about Pedey's ( note it wasn't out of no where tho) mostly because it was both in season and way early. Ortiz is moaning about wanting money for respect, etc. Lester is costing himself leverage and money each time he talks. Big difference, but Lester just wants to get a good deal and stay here so as long as the RS don't screw it up, it should be rather easy. 5/110 sound about right. Maybe try 5/96.Agree, it's rare to see this. Agents and union reps can't like it, but good for him. Hope they get the deal done.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 23, 2014 19:11:25 GMT -5
I don't think there's any doubt it will. And I also believe he'll be fairly compensated by the team. He's one of that core they talk about, and for all the variability in his performance, he's got two WS rings. The durability alone makes him a valuable piece. I don't think he's going anywhere.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 23, 2014 19:28:58 GMT -5
Lester isn't taking it public, he's just answering questions and being nothing but fair about things. You didn't hear too much about Pedey's ( note it wasn't out of no where tho) mostly because it was both in season and way early. Ortiz is moaning about wanting money for respect, etc. Lester is costing himself leverage and money each time he talks. Big difference, but Lester just wants to get a good deal and stay here so as long as the RS don't screw it up, it should be rather easy. 5/110 sound about right. Maybe try 5/96.Agree, it's rare to see this. Agents and union reps can't like it, but good for him. Hope they get the deal done. John Henry and Bud Selig will like it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 23, 2014 19:57:41 GMT -5
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