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Jan 2014-June 2015 International Signings
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Post by sierram363 on Oct 27, 2014 12:58:12 GMT -5
Chihiro Kaneko might not be an ace but he could be a good complimentary piece to our starting staff. Here's a video of him strking out Andruw Jones and Kevin Youkilis at 0:33.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 27, 2014 17:06:51 GMT -5
Andy Ibanez, a 21-yr-old 2nd baseman, has reportedly left Cuba. Like Moncada, if he becomes a free agent before June 15, 2015, we could emerge as potential suitors given that he'll be subject to the current international bonus pools, and we've already gone over our limit. I really hope that when we went over our limit with the signings of Acosta and Espinoza, that we had plans to also spend on some of this potential cuban talent. Acosta and Espinoza just doesn't seem like enough to justify the penalties. Time will tell.
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Post by supersquid on Oct 27, 2014 17:54:33 GMT -5
Andy Ibanez, a 21-yr-old 2nd baseman, has reportedly left Cuba. Like Moncada, if he becomes a free agent before June 15, 2015, we could emerge as potential suitors given that he'll be subject to the current international bonus pools, and we've already gone over our limit. I really hope that when we went over our limit with the signings of Acosta and Espinoza, that we had plans to also spend on some of this potential cuban talent. Acosta and Espinoza just doesn't seem like enough to justify the penalties. Time will tell. I second your sentiments here, we're already over our allotment so why not continue to acquire assets if there will be no added penalty? I see no reason why we shouldn't and I trust the Sox FO to maximize potential here and add some more end talent to this year's class in anticipation of not being able to exceed a bonus of $300,000 for any given player for the next two signing periods.
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Post by jmei on Oct 27, 2014 19:55:18 GMT -5
Andy Ibanez, a 21-yr-old 2nd baseman, has reportedly left Cuba. Like Moncada, if he becomes a free agent before June 15, 2015, we could emerge as potential suitors given that he'll be subject to the current international bonus pools, and we've already gone over our limit. I really hope that when we went over our limit with the signings of Acosta and Espinoza, that we had plans to also spend on some of this potential cuban talent. Acosta and Espinoza just doesn't seem like enough to justify the penalties. Time will tell. I second your sentiments here, we're already over our allotment so why not continue to acquire assets if there will be no added penalty? I see no reason why we shouldn't and I trust the Sox FO to maximize potential here and add some more end talent to this year's class in anticipation of not being able to exceed a bonus of $300,000 for any given player for the next two signing periods. There is an added penalty though-- a 100% tax on the overage. That's less onerous than the $300K cap, but it's still something. The Red Sox, for all their big-market ways, do still operate on a budget. For instance, even before the draft caps were put in, they still drew the line somewhere on HS draftees, missing out on guys like Alex Meyer and Yasmani Grandal and Pedro Alvarez and Matt LaPorta. Before the IFA caps were put on, they didn't go crazy in that market, either. In other words, they'll sign Ibanez or Moncada if they think their bonus multiplied by two is still equal to or lower than their true value. But that won't necessarily be the case, especially if teams like the Yankees push the bidding to a level they're not comfortable with.
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Post by supersquid on Oct 27, 2014 20:36:29 GMT -5
I second your sentiments here, we're already over our allotment so why not continue to acquire assets if there will be no added penalty? I see no reason why we shouldn't and I trust the Sox FO to maximize potential here and add some more end talent to this year's class in anticipation of not being able to exceed a bonus of $300,000 for any given player for the next two signing periods. There is an added penalty though-- a 100% tax on the overage. That's less onerous than the $300K cap, but it's still something. The Red Sox, for all their big-market ways, do still operate on a budget. For instance, even before the draft caps were put in, they still drew the line somewhere on HS draftees, missing out on guys like Alex Meyer and Yasmani Grandal and Pedro Alvarez and Matt LaPorta. Before the IFA caps were put on, they didn't go crazy in that market, either. In other words, they'll sign Ibanez or Moncada if they think their bonus multiplied by two is still equal to or lower than their true value. But that won't necessarily be the case, especially if teams like the Yankees push the bidding to a level they're not comfortable with. Pardon my ignorance on that one , that does change things pretty drastically.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 27, 2014 20:56:23 GMT -5
Everyone would have to pay the 100% tax. The only question is whether either player gets clearance by July 1 so that the Sox and Yankees are even allowed to bid.
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Post by jmei on Oct 27, 2014 21:15:59 GMT -5
Everyone would have to pay the 100% tax. The only question is whether either player gets clearance by July 1 so that the Sox and Yankees are even allowed to bid. You only pay tax on the overage, so any team with money left under the cap would theoretically have an advantage. (Of course, if a team has cash under this year's cap, it's likely that their owner is at least somewhat stingy and so they might not want to pursue any of the big names anyways.)
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Post by kman22 on Oct 28, 2014 10:50:26 GMT -5
Everyone would have to pay the 100% tax. The only question is whether either player gets clearance by July 1 so that the Sox and Yankees are even allowed to bid. You only pay tax on the overage, so any team with money left under the cap would theoretically have an advantage. (Of course, if a team has cash under this year's cap, it's likely that their owner is at least somewhat stingy and so they might not want to pursue any of the big names anyways.) I think the idea was that Moncada would require a contract bigger than any team's budget, requiring every team to pat some level of tax on overage
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Post by moonstone2 on Oct 28, 2014 11:38:45 GMT -5
I second your sentiments here, we're already over our allotment so why not continue to acquire assets if there will be no added penalty? I see no reason why we shouldn't and I trust the Sox FO to maximize potential here and add some more end talent to this year's class in anticipation of not being able to exceed a bonus of $300,000 for any given player for the next two signing periods. There is an added penalty though-- a 100% tax on the overage. That's less onerous than the $300K cap, but it's still something. The Red Sox, for all their big-market ways, do still operate on a budget. For instance, even before the draft caps were put in, they still drew the line somewhere on HS draftees, missing out on guys like Alex Meyer and Yasmani Grandal and Pedro Alvarez and Matt LaPorta. Before the IFA caps were put on, they didn't go crazy in that market, either. In other words, they'll sign Ibanez or Moncada if they think their bonus multiplied by two is still equal to or lower than their true value. But that won't necessarily be the case, especially if teams like the Yankees push the bidding to a level they're not comfortable with. I think there is more to it than that. There is a huge incentive to go as much over the cap as possible this year. The current CBA expires after 2016, and a new CBA could very well include an international draft. The penalties for going over the cap are currently 100% tax on any overage, plus the inability to sign a player for more than 300K during the next two international signing period. If however an international draft is instituted, the penalty would be the loss of a first round pick in the next two subsequent drafts. That means that if a team goes more than 15% over next year, and an international draft is part of the new CBA for 2017, that team could lose it's first round pick in this draft. As with the MLB amateur draft, teams aren't going to want to go over the cap if it means losing a pick, so teams are going over this year because the current CBA is still in effect for the next two years. This is likely why the Sox signed Acosta and Espinoza for so much. It's not that they think the two are the greatest pitchers they have ever seen, though I am sure they like both, it's more that this is a unique time to strike and such raises the actual value of international prospects. So yes, the team will certainly value international players just as they value other players and base their bonus offer on that. But this is the year to pay such players as the Red Sox may never have the same access to such players again. EDIT: I changed this slightly to account for the 2014 penalties. However it is possible that the new CBA could include a 2017 international draft that would penalize teams that went over the cap in 2015 or 2016 and I think teams are taking that into account.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 2, 2014 14:36:09 GMT -5
sooooooooo? Jay Alou ?@jaloujr 8m8 minutes ago
Yasmany Tomas worked out at the Red Sox academy. Balls were punished over trees to all fields! #smellbaseball #Power
twitter.com/JAloujr/status/528987442771415040
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Nov 2, 2014 14:47:37 GMT -5
Might as well go big after Tomas. Ortiz is not getting any younger and Napoli is on the last year of his contract.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 2, 2014 16:03:11 GMT -5
I didn't really get any indication that the Sox would be in on Tomas. Does this mean there is some level of interest? It would be welcomed news as far as I'm concerned but it does seem a bit odd as there seems to be a surplus of outfielders. However from 2016 on it does seem like there could be a place for Tomas. To bad he couldn't be a free agent next year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 2, 2014 16:07:38 GMT -5
It's not like this front office is opposed to a "accumulate assets and sort it out later" approach. Seems like Thomas would be pushing it though.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 2, 2014 19:53:45 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Top Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada has surfaced. He has established residency and has showcase planned for this month: bit.ly/1t4nTkSHe has a workout scheduled for November 12. This is huge for the Red Sox, as it greatly increases the chances he will sign before the next J2 deadline.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 2, 2014 20:08:24 GMT -5
That is HUGE the Red Sox should go ALL IN AND BEYOND. I'll be very disappointed if they don't come away with him unless they really did ALL they could.
Yes this requires ALL CAPS.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 2, 2014 20:42:04 GMT -5
That is HUGE the Red Sox should go ALL IN AND BEYOND. I'll be very disappointed if they don't come away with him unless they really did ALL they could. Yes this requires ALL CAPS. Uh. If he is unblocked before the end of this signing season then yes. But if he unblocked next summer we have no shot at him
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 2, 2014 20:42:35 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Top Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada has surfaced. He has established residency and has showcase planned for this month: bit.ly/1t4nTkSHe has a workout scheduled for November 12. This is huge for the Red Sox, as it greatly increases the chances he will sign before the next J2 deadline. He has not been unblocked yet
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 2, 2014 20:56:38 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Top Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada has surfaced. He has established residency and has showcase planned for this month: bit.ly/1t4nTkSHe has a workout scheduled for November 12. This is huge for the Red Sox, as it greatly increases the chances he will sign before the next J2 deadline. He has not been unblocked yet Nothing is ever certain, but I am assuming he will clear the OFAC process over the next 8 months. For example, Rusney Castillo defected on Dec. 17, 2013 and was cleared on June 6, 2014. Also, the fact he already has his workout scheduled makes me even more optimistic. There is plenty of reason to be excited about the news.
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Post by stevedillard on Nov 2, 2014 20:56:54 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb Top Cuban prospect Yoan Moncada has surfaced. He has established residency and has showcase planned for this month: bit.ly/1t4nTk. After our experience with his brother, Boss, I'm a bit apprehensive.[/]
Fro. The article, pre June 15 allows us, NYY and Tampa in, after that date Texas and Cubs are in, and we're out.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 2, 2014 20:59:49 GMT -5
That is HUGE the Red Sox should go ALL IN AND BEYOND. I'll be very disappointed if they don't come away with him unless they really did ALL they could. Yes this requires ALL CAPS. Uh. If he is unblocked before the end of this signing season then yes. But if he unblocked next summer we have no shot at him I know that, I read the article. I didn't imply he will sign tomorrow but this definitely increases the chances he is elegible to sign before June 2015. I'm not expert, nor particularly care, about the unblocking process but stablishing residency and holding showcases etc. is much better than people not even knowing where he was.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 3, 2014 1:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 3, 2014 11:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Nov 3, 2014 11:38:48 GMT -5
Whoa, when I read that Moncada was subject to the IFA Pool I assumed we couldn't sign him. Nice.
It's definitely in his interest for us, NYY and TB to a lesser extent to be involved. I imagine his people will be pushing to get him unblocked ASAP.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 3, 2014 11:55:02 GMT -5
Whoa, when I read that Moncada was subject to the IFA Pool I assumed we couldn't sign him. Nice. It's definitely in his interest for us, NYY and TB to a lesser extent to be involved. I imagine his people will be pushing to get him unblocked ASAP. True, but after July 1st, the Rangers and Cubs can spend again. They're always big players on the international market and could strike a verbal deal before July 1st.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 3, 2014 14:42:14 GMT -5
Whoa, when I read that Moncada was subject to the IFA Pool I assumed we couldn't sign him. Nice. It's definitely in his interest for us, NYY and TB to a lesser extent to be involved. I imagine his people will be pushing to get him unblocked ASAP. True, but after July 1st, the Rangers and Cubs can spend again. They're always big players on the international market and could strike a verbal deal before July 1st. Yeah, but a possible Sox/Yankees bidding war? I'd probably go with the first option if I were his agent. Especially since they both could use a 3B.
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