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Post by stevedillard on Nov 3, 2014 14:59:33 GMT -5
Who gets the "tax" for exceeding the limit. If these 21 year olds get $30 -35 mil, who gets the other $30-35? Does that go into competitive balance payments?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 3, 2014 15:49:44 GMT -5
As far as I know it goes into the welfare.... I mean revenue sharing system.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 3, 2014 15:57:07 GMT -5
If Moncada becomes eligible during this current signing period, I'll be curious to see how aggressive the Yankees become. They've already spent ~12 mill not including the overage, while we're closer to about 4 or 4.5 mill. It might be a moot point if the guy looks as good as the reports from over the years.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 3, 2014 19:27:12 GMT -5
I say the Sox go all out for this kid.
I wonder why they did the private workout for Tomas Change of heart or due diligence?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 3, 2014 21:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 3, 2014 21:32:15 GMT -5
I say the Sox go all out for this kid. I wonder why they did the private workout for Tomas Change of heart or due diligence? According to Rob Bradford, the workout was "partly out of convenience" because Tomas was looking for a place to workout. I'm sure the Sox had their peeps there getting a good look at him, but it's just hard to see him being a priority at this point. fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/11/03/red-sox-change-course-conduct-private-workout-for-yasmany-tomas/Regarding Moncada, I see him much more as a prospect-type signing, compared to filing a need at 3B. He is 19 and would probably be subject to the same minor league track as Puig or Soler (or possibly even more time). That said, Ben Badler has stated on multiple occasions that Moncada should be rated higher than any 2015 draft prospect and would be a sure-fire #1 overall pick if he was subject to the draft.
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Post by soxcentral on Nov 3, 2014 22:05:11 GMT -5
There's a lot of Red Sox links to those players in that article. It almost reads like a Boston Globe or WEEI article in its slant towards us....which could be very good.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 4, 2014 13:25:08 GMT -5
Out of nowhere (at least to my knowledge), the Angels sign Cuban infielder Roberto Baldoquin for $8MM bonus, obviously shattering their international bonus pool limit. If you're like me, first you're thinking 'Who is Roberto Baldoquin?' Then you're thinking 'Wow, Moncada is going to get a huge bonus.' Then you're thinking, 'Wait are other teams willing to blow past their bonus pools in order to nab this guy?' Yes, why yes they probably are. Bidding might get out of control for Moncada, I'm not really sure what to expect now.
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Post by taftreign on Nov 4, 2014 14:44:00 GMT -5
Out of nowhere (at least to my knowledge), the Angels sign Cuban infielder Roberto Baldoquin for $8MM bonus, obviously shattering their international bonus pool limit. If you're like me, first you're thinking 'Who is Roberto Baldoquin?' Then you're thinking 'Wow, Moncada is going to get a huge bonus.' Then you're thinking, 'Wait are other teams willing to blow past their bonus pools in order to nab this guy?' Yes, why yes they probably are. Bidding might get out of control for Moncada, I'm not really sure what to expect now. Considering LA had a $2.383 mil international bonus pool and if they have signed no one else prior this is essentially a $13.617 mil signing taking into account the 100% tax on all overage.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 4, 2014 14:53:03 GMT -5
Out of nowhere (at least to my knowledge), the Angels sign Cuban infielder Roberto Baldoquin for $8MM bonus, obviously shattering their international bonus pool limit. If you're like me, first you're thinking 'Who is Roberto Baldoquin?' Then you're thinking 'Wow, Moncada is going to get a huge bonus.' Then you're thinking, 'Wait are other teams willing to blow past their bonus pools in order to nab this guy?' Yes, why yes they probably are. Bidding might get out of control for Moncada, I'm not really sure what to expect now. Considering LA had a $2.383 mil international bonus pool and if they have signed no one else prior this is essentially a $13.617 mil signing taking into account the 100% tax on all overage. Exactly. That seems insane for a player with little to no hype. Does anyone know who this guy is?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Nov 4, 2014 15:28:00 GMT -5
I say the Sox go all out for this kid. I wonder why they did the private workout for Tomas Change of heart or due diligence? According to Rob Bradford, the workout was "partly out of convenience" because Tomas was looking for a place to workout. I'm sure the Sox had their peeps there getting a good look at him, but it's just hard to see him being a priority at this point. This has the feel of a favor for someone, some relationship-building ... give Tomas a high-profile "workout," vaguely signal that the Big Bad Red Sox may sorta, kinda be interested. Does his agent have any other high-profile folks or done business with the Sox in the past?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 4, 2014 15:30:16 GMT -5
No he is only the son of Jesus Alou who has run the Red Sox academy for the last 20 years or something.
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Post by alnipper on Nov 8, 2014 12:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 8, 2014 13:22:36 GMT -5
I am allllll in on Moncada but am worried the Yankees will be too.
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Post by taftreign on Nov 8, 2014 15:28:47 GMT -5
I am allllll in on Moncada but am worried the Yankees will be too. Yes, me too. Problem is I'm not yet sure how I define all in. Angels spent with tax approximately 15 mil for Baldoquin. If he's a better prospect than Devers and would be 1-1 in the amateur draft an early guess including the tax is that I'd be willing to spend 30 mil considering the number of years of control the team would hold and the perceived ceiling.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 8, 2014 17:50:00 GMT -5
I am allllll in on Moncada but am worried the Yankees will be too. Yes, me too. Problem is I'm not yet sure how I define all in. Angels spent with tax approximately 15 mil for Baldoquin. If he's a better prospect than Devers and would be 1-1 in the amateur draft an early guess including the tax is that I'd be willing to spend 30 mil considering the number of years of control the team would hold and the perceived ceiling. Equating Moncada to a 1st overall pick, cash wise one has to remember that Boston was only spending 10-11m total in the highest drafts. For them to justify giving Moncada that much alone (or more) counting the penalty may be tough to swallow if compared to how much they spent when drafting talent just say compared to the 2011 draft and all they acquired for 11m.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 8, 2014 18:01:36 GMT -5
Yes, me too. Problem is I'm not yet sure how I define all in. Angels spent with tax approximately 15 mil for Baldoquin. If he's a better prospect than Devers and would be 1-1 in the amateur draft an early guess including the tax is that I'd be willing to spend 30 mil considering the number of years of control the team would hold and the perceived ceiling. Equating Moncada to a 1st overall pick, cash wise one has to remember that Boston was only spending 10-11m total in the highest drafts. For them to justify giving Moncada that much alone (or more) counting the penalty may be tough to swallow if compared to how much they spent when drafting talent just say compared to the 2011 draft and all they acquired for 11m. Draft picks aren't free agents though. There is no comparison. Moncada will easily eclipse the 11m number and I wouldn't be shocked to see him double it or more.
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Post by alnipper on Nov 8, 2014 23:50:39 GMT -5
As long as the money doesn't count towards our major league salary cap, I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox go 22m. The Sox need to spend on this special talent.
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Post by zil on Nov 9, 2014 3:07:11 GMT -5
Isn't maintaining the ability to splurge on a talent like Moncada the whole point of the budgetary restraint of recent years?
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Post by burythehammer on Nov 9, 2014 6:46:23 GMT -5
You would think so, yes.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Nov 9, 2014 8:38:47 GMT -5
No he is only the son of Jesus Alou who has run the Red Sox academy for the last 20 years or something. Haha ... well, there ya go then! I suppose 30 seconds of Googling would've told me that ...
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 10, 2014 15:48:50 GMT -5
“@gordonedes: Jay Alou Jr., agent for Yasmany Tomas, said Sox had him take some ground balls when he worked out. Said he could play third. He’s an OF”
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 11, 2014 13:20:01 GMT -5
San Diego had the highest bid for Kwang-Hyun Kim's posting fee, at $2 million. It will be interesting to see if they let him go for that, as initial reports indicated they were hoping to get at least $10 million.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 13, 2014 16:10:59 GMT -5
@jorgearangure: Source: Yasmani Tomas scheduled to fly to US tomorrow to meet with agent. Deal appears imminent, possibly by the weekend.
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Post by stevedillard on Nov 16, 2014 11:31:12 GMT -5
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