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Post by stevedillard on Feb 22, 2014 9:17:13 GMT -5
Remember when Jared Matthews signed a contract with the Sox and was still eligible for Rutgers? Those were the good days.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 22, 2014 10:52:12 GMT -5
Strange games MLB plays. No doubt about it. This appears to be nothing more than another heavy-handed attempt at control of the market for young talent. Why else have a rule that wasn't enforced until it is? To make Amaro feel good? I don't think Selig is that compassionate. No, there's something else brewing. There needs to be some counter-weight to this stuff, either an organization, or a legal mandate - something. This just screws the players. It's an NCAA rule, Norm. That's why MLB normally doesn't care about its enforcement.
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Post by jmei on Feb 22, 2014 10:58:03 GMT -5
An interesting point brought up in the BP article's comments-- both players were from the Pacific Northwest, which almost certainly means that the same area scout was responsible for them (and if anyone has the Phillies media guide, could look up the exact name). Could this have been a lone wolf who acted without Amaro or the other higher-ups' knowledge and consent?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 22, 2014 12:08:38 GMT -5
Phillies release statement. SMH Good PR.
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Post by Gwell55 on Feb 22, 2014 12:49:51 GMT -5
Phillies release statement. SMH Good PR. Guilty, may their draft program suffer and/or die in peace.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 22, 2014 13:11:59 GMT -5
Phillies release statement. SMH Good PR. you deserve every bit of S** you get from draft prospects PHI... Bang up job you unprofessional fools
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 22, 2014 13:19:11 GMT -5
An interesting point brought up in the BP article's comments-- both players were from the Pacific Northwest, which almost certainly means that the same area scout was responsible for them (and if anyone has the Phillies media guide, could look up the exact name). Could this have been a lone wolf who acted without Amaro or the other higher-ups' knowledge and consent? It's possible, but wouldn't a scout acting rogue like that be easy to fire and throw under the bus? The way the Phillies are acting makes me think this came from either Amaro or Wolever.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 22, 2014 14:07:23 GMT -5
An interesting point brought up in the BP article's comments-- both players were from the Pacific Northwest, which almost certainly means that the same area scout was responsible for them (and if anyone has the Phillies media guide, could look up the exact name). Could this have been a lone wolf who acted without Amaro or the other higher-ups' knowledge and consent? It's possible, but wouldn't a scout acting rogue like that be easy to fire and throw under the bus? The way the Phillies are acting makes me think this came from either Amaro or Wolever. I'm thinking Wolever because at one point they asked Wolever and he said "no comment" then they asked Amaro and he said "ask Wolever".
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 22, 2014 14:19:42 GMT -5
For those of you that don't get a lot of tweets, this problem isn't likely to go away soon. Besides Fitt, Callis (most vocal), Law (2nd most vocal), Olney, Rosenthal and other are pretty much in unison here. Right now, they're all calling for The Phillies to stop the no comment bs.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 22, 2014 16:02:55 GMT -5
For those of you that don't get a lot of tweets, this problem isn't likely to go away soon. Besides Fitt, Callis (most vocal), Law (2nd most vocal), Olney, Rosenthal and other are pretty much in unison here. Right now, they're all calling for The Phillies to stop the no comment bs. It's too late at this point... Their weak attempts at damage control haven't helped their situation
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 22, 2014 18:46:24 GMT -5
It's a noble concept and some agents will probably be less cooperative with them but they are picking 7th so I highly doubt agents for some of those top guys would not cooperate with them.
I don't think what they did was smart but in the end they are a big league team. Agents will deal with them.
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Post by taftreign on Feb 22, 2014 20:18:10 GMT -5
I imagine worst case is they cannot sign players falling in the pick 5 to 12 range or there abouts but by selecting a player expecting to go mid teens and offering full slot they could get it done. They do have the ability to gamble on selecting a higher prospect without knowing signability if they choose as a result of holding a protected first rounder as worst case of a non signing player is another 1st rounder next year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 22, 2014 21:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 22, 2014 23:13:56 GMT -5
Strange games MLB plays. No doubt about it. This appears to be nothing more than another heavy-handed attempt at control of the market for young talent. Why else have a rule that wasn't enforced until it is? To make Amaro feel good? I don't think Selig is that compassionate. No, there's something else brewing. There needs to be some counter-weight to this stuff, either an organization, or a legal mandate - something. This just screws the players. It's an NCAA rule, Norm. That's why MLB normally doesn't care about its enforcement. And you don't think Amaro would clear this through MLB? Is he that stupid? Don't everybody answer at once. I'll admit it, I see collusion between MLB and the NCAA. Given the way this market has been so badly twisted out of shape, it's hard not to feel that way.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 22, 2014 23:56:08 GMT -5
Who's the real beneficiary of the rule ? This is NCAA/MLB extortion. I think I saw that Wetzler will get a 3 month vacation (LOL, without pay). Hmmm Norm's thought process sounds familiar.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 22, 2014 23:56:22 GMT -5
I don't see the Phillies suffering any consequences here. Big leaguers aren't going to care and a kid who wants to go pro doesn't have a choice if he's drafted by them. What's he going to sit out a year or go back to school out of principal? Fat chance. It's fun to over-react and be pissed off but what can really happen?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 23, 2014 0:02:29 GMT -5
I don't see the Phillies suffering any consequences here. Big leaguers aren't going to care and a kid who wants to go pro doesn't have a choice if he's drafted by them. What's he going to sit out a year or go back to school out of principal? Fat chance. It's fun to over-react and be pissed off but what can really happen? What can really happen is that the area scouts will be making recommendations and hence the team will be drafting on the blind. College coaches also have the authority to decline scouting requests for any particular team. When the Sox, for example, draft somebody, they've already done their research including in home interviews. That is a lot bigger problem than meets the eye. You can say that teams can always use the scouting and evaluation of public services but the fact of the matter is that the team with the least amount of scouting resources has many times the resources of all the public services combined.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 23, 2014 0:10:13 GMT -5
If college coaches want to hurt the Phillies, they certainly can. That's where this could bite Philadelphia. Will it, who knows. But it doesn't take much to get on a coaches bad side. They certainly want to limit any risk of draft eligible guys who decide to come back. Since the Phillies have a history of turning guys in, I can certainly see coaches pushing kids away from that organization
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Post by dd on Feb 23, 2014 12:32:46 GMT -5
If college coaches want to hurt the Phillies, they certainly can. That's where this could bite Philadelphia. Will it, who knows. But it doesn't take much to get on a coaches bad side. They certainly want to limit any risk of draft eligible guys who decide to come back. Since the Phillies have a history of turning guys in, I can certainly see coaches pushing kids away from that organization Wouldn't college coaches have an incentive to LIKE what the Phillies did since it might prevent players from leaving their programs early?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 23, 2014 15:24:40 GMT -5
No cause their players get suspended so they don't want anybody snitching about their players.
Anyways Colleges will probably start teaching their players how to deal with agents and not leave paper trail. Some might tell them outright that they should be careful dealing with the Phillies etc. but in the end they are a big league team and players want to be big leaguers so I don't think many colleges will shut them out of access to players.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 23, 2014 16:55:55 GMT -5
If college coaches want to hurt the Phillies, they certainly can. That's where this could bite Philadelphia. Will it, who knows. But it doesn't take much to get on a coaches bad side. They certainly want to limit any risk of draft eligible guys who decide to come back. Since the Phillies have a history of turning guys in, I can certainly see coaches pushing kids away from that organization Wouldn't college coaches have an incentive to LIKE what the Phillies did since it might prevent players from leaving their programs early? No. College coaches understand that if you are a talent, you are almost certainly leaving after your junior (or R-So) season. Even if you return, if you get screwed over like the example with the Phillies, you are going to get suspended for a significant portion of the season. Many of the collegiate baseball writers said the NCAA could have suspended Wetzler for even more than 20% of the season. Though the NCAA usually picks a name out of a hat, but anything moving forward will be at least 20%. They should just change the rule, and make it easier on everyone
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 24, 2014 10:11:35 GMT -5
If college coaches want to hurt the Phillies, they certainly can. That's where this could bite Philadelphia. Will it, who knows. But it doesn't take much to get on a coaches bad side. They certainly want to limit any risk of draft eligible guys who decide to come back. Since the Phillies have a history of turning guys in, I can certainly see coaches pushing kids away from that organization Wouldn't college coaches have an incentive to LIKE what the Phillies did since it might prevent players from leaving their programs early? I'm not nearly enough of a cynic to believe that most college coaches are selfish and don't care about the kids playing for them.
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Post by kman22 on Feb 24, 2014 10:29:32 GMT -5
If college coaches want to hurt the Phillies, they certainly can. That's where this could bite Philadelphia. Will it, who knows. But it doesn't take much to get on a coaches bad side. They certainly want to limit any risk of draft eligible guys who decide to come back. Since the Phillies have a history of turning guys in, I can certainly see coaches pushing kids away from that organization Wouldn't college coaches have an incentive to LIKE what the Phillies did since it might prevent players from leaving their programs early? I was looking at this differently. I would think this would be a motive to sign when you are drafted, because MLB won't suspend you for having an agent. It doesn't help the Phillies cause as much, but it definitely brought that to the forefront of my thought process.
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Post by eagleeye9184 on Feb 24, 2014 19:51:25 GMT -5
I went to the UNC-Xavier rubber game on Sunday. Great day at the Bosh. UNC started a freshman on the hill, Zac Gallen. He pitched 6.2 of 1 (unearned) run ball. Kid sat 89-91, touched 92 on their gun. Worked both sides of the plate well and fanned 8 in his outing. Bullpen gave up another, and the Heels went into the bottom of the 9th down 2-0. UNC went 1b-hbp-sac-ibb-WP (scoring one) - ibb-(pitching change)-1b (tie game)-infield single to win a walkoff 3-2. The only player that caught my eye (the UNC offense was abysmal until the 9th) was their sophomore CF Skye Bolt. He made two diving catches in CF. Also hit the ball on the screws twice, but both were caught. Almost beat out the sac bunt in the ninth, but the Xavier pitcher made a nice play. Highly recommend catching a game at Boshamer for any college baseball enthusiasts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 25, 2014 2:12:42 GMT -5
LOL, Kieth Law used this video to explain good will in baseball contracts.:
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