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2014 NY Yankees Discussion Thread
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 15, 2014 10:28:35 GMT -5
I've criticized the Yankees plenty, but I honestly don't think going after the stars was an indefensible strategy. The problem was that the team was in way worse shape than people acknowledged after last year. The Sox signed a bunch of medium-priced free agents before 2013 season, but they had Ortiz, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Lackey, and Buchholz already on board (plus Nava, Doubront, Salty, etc). The Yankees had very, very little that they could pencil into the lineup for 2014 and feel confident they could win some games with them. So going for a thin team of stars-and-scrubs and hoping for the best was quite possibly a better strategy than "buy a bunch of middling players" and being almost assuredly mediocre. Maybe the latter approach had a higher floor, but at these they had a puncher's chance of being a playoff team with the former strategy ... and, honestly, for a while there when Pineda was looking good, I thought they maybe were going to pull it off.
The third option - just focusing on rebuilding - was a non-starter because their system is terrible, and they'd be years away from being any good, something I don't think they can afford.
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Post by okin15 on May 15, 2014 17:41:47 GMT -5
in NYC, it's probably better to be bad but spend a lot of money, cause at least you won't get the fans (or the players union) saying you're not using your financial might.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 15, 2014 19:18:10 GMT -5
I've criticized the Yankees plenty, but I honestly don't think going after the stars was an indefensible strategy. I've said all along that it was their only viable strategy and I stand by that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 15, 2014 19:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on May 19, 2014 13:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on May 21, 2014 12:26:38 GMT -5
Only if no other team bids and Theo for some reason wants to dump Samardjia on July 31 as opposed to the off season.
Bos, StL, Tex, Tor, Atl, KC all have better stuff to deal.
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Post by mgoetze on May 21, 2014 16:05:04 GMT -5
Only if no other team bids and Theo for some reason wants to dump Samardjia on July 31 as opposed to the off season. I do expect Shark to be dealt before the deadline, Theo will get a better price when some team with a TJ case or two feels a pennant is within striking distance if only ... than when there are readily available free agent alternatives. But yeah, no idea where the Yankees would scrape up the prospects to make such a deal happen.
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Post by taftreign on May 21, 2014 20:49:30 GMT -5
Prospect Pete O'Brien is making quite a name for himself lately. There are questions about his ability to remain behind the plate and some questions about his hit tool but he appears to have above average to plus in game power. Not to say he helps in the Samardjia discussion as clearly Gary Sanchez would be needed as part of such a deal but I thought he deserved some note for his recent "Galloesque" torrid pace.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 3, 2014 14:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 3, 2014 18:07:03 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen, your AL All Star starting shortstop.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2014 18:49:36 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen, your AL All Star starting shortstop. Do you really think people would prefer to see, say, Alexi Ramirez starting at short in exhibition, or three inning of the guy who is ninth all time in hits in the final season of his career? If Jeter were playing atrociously or Troy Tulowitzki was in the AL then I could maybe see an argument, but come on. Jeter should be starting in the All-Star game.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 3, 2014 18:50:47 GMT -5
Pineda to the 60 day.
Yankees are still playing over their heads. Whitley, Phelps, Warren are all pitching way better than they should. Betance too, but he looks like a stud.
Edit: he originally added May 6th, so he still has another month to go. As much as I hate the Yanes, I really hate to see young pitchers who can't stay healthy.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 3, 2014 19:00:31 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen, your AL All Star starting shortstop. Do you really think people would prefer to see, say, Alexi Ramirez starting at short in exhibition, or three inning of the guy who is ninth all time in hits in the final season of his career? If Jeter were playing atrociously or Troy Tulowitzki was in the AL then I could maybe see an argument, but come on. Jeter should be starting in the All-Star game. I couldn't disagree more. Ramirez has so far rightfully earned the start. The only reason he isn't is because it is Jeter's last year. If he announced his retirement after the season like most people do Ramirez gets the start. Jeter is playing atrociously. 267/330/319 good for a 83 wrc. I won't talk about his gold glove defense, which apparently like this all star start he earned. Seriously he's not entitled to an All Star start. He is entitled to the HOF, first ballet, but other players shouldn't be penalized just because he is alive and stands between 2B and 3B. Not only has Ramirez been better than Jeter, but Bogaerts has too. Aybar, Hardy, Lowrie, and Escobar have been better. You can't make an argument otherwise. Also lets look at the rest of All star voting. mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/robinson-cano-nelson-cruz-take-leads-at-their-positions-in-al-all-star-voting?ymd=20140602&content_id=77866044&vkey=news_mlbMcCann 2nd Catcher 84 wrc Ellsbury 4th OF 100 wrc Beltran 5th of 90 wrc -.2 war 33 games played Look I'll cut a deal, lets give Jeter homecoming king. It's a popularity contest anyways.
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Post by jmei on Jun 3, 2014 19:15:36 GMT -5
Well, shouldn't it be a popularity contest? It's an exhibition game put on for the fans, and the voting structure has fans (and players, coaches, and managers) vote for who they want to see, which is often but is not necessary the same guy who is having the best season.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 3, 2014 19:23:48 GMT -5
Michael Kay was whining about injuries today. They really are an excuse he claims. In a vaccuum, sure. But, Tex and CC are in the 6th year of their contracts after long stints in MLB. Carlos Beltran injured? Shockah? Pineda?? Oh, yeah the defintion of durable. Wait til Jacoby starts to slip a little
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2014 19:24:51 GMT -5
They let Mike Schmidt and Cal Ripken and other all-time greats take victory laps. Heck, Ozzie Smith went in '96 and he was only a part-timer at that point. Jeter is in that category. Having an All-Star game, without arguably the best known star in the game in his final season is silly. And Derek Jeter has been on base 4,596 times! To me, that's a much more "all-star"-worthy accomplishment than 80 games of good baseball. Getting his name introduced and playing the first three innings of the game is a nice send-off to a ridiculous career. It sure beats the inauthentic-feeling "let's give a gift at every park to a player who we are then going to try to beat" thing that started last year with Rivera.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 4, 2014 10:22:40 GMT -5
Fan voting should be altered, the only thing I can think of, is the player/manager vote determines who makes the team, and then the fans vote from that group to determine who starts. Every once in a while when a legend is doing his victory lap, a special exemption should be made. I cannot stand the whole idea of ballot stuffing popularity contests.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 4, 2014 12:54:56 GMT -5
The players have done a much worse job than the fans picking All-Stars in recent years. With a few notable exceptions, the fans usually get the vote right. The players basically send the famous "respected veterans." Jason Varitek made the 2008 team as a player pick, and he was hitting .218/.299/.354 at the break.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 12:57:23 GMT -5
Without a doubt, Farrell picks Xander to go, right?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 13:07:35 GMT -5
The players have done a much worse job than the fans picking All-Stars in recent years. With a few notable exceptions, the fans usually get the vote right. The players basically send the famous "respected veterans." Jason Varitek made the 2008 team as a player pick, and he was hitting .218/.299/.354 at the break. "famous respected veterans" is what I hate, other than picks like Jeter and maybe Uehara this year. Especially for Yankees this year, who have McCann, Ellsbury, Beltran and Soriano in top 5. Guys like Moss, Brantley and Springer should be on the team instead of Ellsbury, Beltran and Soriano.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2014 15:09:24 GMT -5
I don't want any of our guys in the All Star game. They need to go home and take 3 days of rest.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 4, 2014 17:43:25 GMT -5
I don't want any of our guys in the All Star game. They need to go home and take 3 days of rest. Agree 100% - especially pitchers. Bogaerts, ok. Let him go. He's been the best Sox, so he deserves it as much as anyone
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 4, 2014 19:10:16 GMT -5
Aceves DFAed.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 10, 2014 13:12:45 GMT -5
Well, these guys are going to be in the news over the next few weeks. First 300m dollar payroll next year? Have 160m AAV tied up in; CC, Tanaka, Ellsbury, Teixeira, Beltran, McCann, Gardner and A-Rod. Need a ss, 2b, 5 starters and a closer unless they go with Betances and maybe a 3b if they release A-Rod.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 10, 2014 20:05:29 GMT -5
Oh boy, Tanaka with a slight tear in his UCL
Doctors haven't ruled out surgery, though its rare that rehab is ever enough
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