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Red Sox sign IF Ryan Roberts
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 8, 2014 8:54:46 GMT -5
he got a split salary that pays him $200K if he gets sent to Pawtucket (i.e., they contemplated the likelihood that he'd be DFAed and wouldn't be on the hook for the full $1m if he took a MiL assignment), Hm, how does this work in MLB? Is it like in the NFL, so that you get 1/162 of your salary every gameday?
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 8, 2014 9:12:17 GMT -5
he got a split salary that pays him $200K if he gets sent to Pawtucket (i.e., they contemplated the likelihood that he'd be DFAed and wouldn't be on the hook for the full $1m if he took a MiL assignment), Hm, how does this work in MLB? Is it like in the NFL, so that you get 1/162 of your salary every gameday? MLB players’ salaries are based on 183 days (April 1 until September 30). Because Rodriguez was suspended for 162 games, he actually gets paid for the other 21 days.
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Post by jmei on Apr 8, 2014 9:13:02 GMT -5
I believe it's prorated based on service time (i.e., days on the roster) rather than games played, but yeah, I think that's essentially how it would work. It's a little bit of a weird situation, though-- Roberts is out of options, and, because he has previously been outrighted to the minors (according to Cot's, in August 2013), the Red Sox would need his consent to assign him to the minors if he's DFAed and clears waivers. I'm not sure what would happen if he refused an assignment to the minor leagues-- would the Red Sox have to pay his entire $1m major league salary, or would they just pay him the prorated amount based on how much time he spent in the majors before being DFAed? I'd think it has to be the latter, but that seems to contravene the general principle that MLB players get paid their full salary even if they're released mid-season.
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Post by nhdave on Apr 8, 2014 12:05:05 GMT -5
went to about 60 Fishercats games the year Ryan played in NH (05, the crazy year when Portland had Hanley, Pedroia, Lester, Paps etc) thought he was pretty good, 20 plus home runs as a second baseman, decent in the field... maybe a hair old for the eastern league at the time... good to see he's still playing. have one of his game used jerseys, hello ebay!!! kidding...
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Post by okin15 on Apr 8, 2014 13:40:31 GMT -5
I believe it's prorated based on service time (i.e., days on the roster) rather than games played, but yeah, I think that's essentially how it would work. It's a little bit of a weird situation, though-- Roberts is out of options, and, because he has previously been outrighted to the minors (according to Cot's, in August 2013), the Red Sox would need his consent to assign him to the minors if he's DFAed and clears waivers. I'm not sure what would happen if he refused an assignment to the minor leagues-- would the Red Sox have to pay his entire $1m major league salary, or would they just pay him the prorated amount based on how much time he spent in the majors before being DFAed? I'd think it has to be the latter, but that seems to contravene the general principle that MLB players get paid their full salary even if they're released mid-season. I was curious about this, so I read through the relevant sections of the Basic Agreement. Section XX(D) applies to players on their second outright OR with more than three years of service time* (Roberts has 4.083). A player in that category can either accept the assignment or elect free agency, terminating his contract, and absolving the club of any further payments. He cannot refuse the assignment, forcing the club to release him.* Also, just a nitpick, but during the time a player is DFA, he is paid (up to ten days and inclusive of the waiver period). The whole thing is really confusing, as there are periods of "contemplated assignment" "waivers" and "designated" which could potentially overlap or not, and the the moment of "outright assignment", at least the way I read it, though I ain't no lawyer. *A player with 5 or more years of service time would also be subject to XIX(A)(2)(a) which disallows a club from assigning a player unless he gives his consent to a "contemplated assignment." He can (more commonly) refuse a "contemplated assignment" forcing the club to release him, trade him or put him back on the 25-man roster by the end of the DFA period.
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Post by jmei on Apr 8, 2014 13:50:11 GMT -5
Ah, thanks for doing the dirty work. I knew he didn't fall into the 5+ service time class, but I didn't know that XX(D) players forgo their guaranteed salary if they elect free agency. That answers my question perfectly, and between that and the split contract, it seems like Roberts is likely to be DFAed (and, if he clears waivers, likely stay in the organization while being paid at a lower rate) when Middlebrooks returns.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 8, 2014 14:02:52 GMT -5
I didn't know that XX(D) players forgo their guaranteed salary if they elect free agency. well, it doesn't say as much in plain English, but that's the way I read it. Anyone want to weigh in on the text below? The bolded part is what I was reacting to, and it seems the only real difference between "electing FA" and getting released. It's worth noting that Wikipedia does a poor job explaining all of these nuances, in particular this section.
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Post by jmei on Apr 8, 2014 14:22:13 GMT -5
Yeah, you interpreted that correctly ("termination pay" is defined as the unpaid balance of a player's contract). I never saw that section and only saw this bit on pages 34-35: ...which seemed to indicate that Roberts would get paid the full $1m if he was DFAed and elected free agency, but would get paid at his split rate if he accepted a minor league assignment. That would be totally absurd, which is why I figured there was more to it than that, which you subsequently dug up. Well done.
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 21, 2014 17:56:10 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo ?@chriscotillo 40 min #RedSox Ryan Roberts cleared waivers and accepted an assignment to AAA.
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