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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2014 16:24:57 GMT -5
Terrible job by Doubront in this inning. You have to find a way out of it with 2 outs and no one on. Edit: Our defense is a f------ train wreck. There isn't a single guy on the left side of the infield who can make a play. Anything beyond the most routine play and it's a complete adventure. Terrible. Man, if only there was a plus defensive shortstop with decent on base ability and some pop hanging around on the free agent market. But obviously that's an absurd thought in the middle of april. Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 19, 2014 16:30:27 GMT -5
Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. WMB can platoon with Drew and make our lineup not suck when Farrell insists on giving Napoli and Ortiz their "scheduled off-days". Carp is the one who gets thrown away.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 19, 2014 16:32:27 GMT -5
Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. The main issue with that right now is WMB even being fit for the bench.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2014 16:51:33 GMT -5
Man, if only there was a plus defensive shortstop with decent on base ability and some pop hanging around on the free agent market. But obviously that's an absurd thought in the middle of april. Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that every decision this team makes needs to revolve around future HOFer Will Middlebrooks. Who one of these days will be able to say healthy and hit for for more than five minutes at a time, I'm sure.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 19, 2014 17:01:38 GMT -5
Terrible job by Doubront in this inning. You have to find a way out of it with 2 outs and no one on. Edit: Our defense is a f------ train wreck. There isn't a single guy on the left side of the infield who can make a play. Anything beyond the most routine play and it's a complete adventure. Terrible. Man, if only there was a plus defensive shortstop with decent on base ability and some pop hanging around on the free agent market. But obviously that's an absurd thought in the middle of april. Drew won't sign a one year deal again. He has a three year deal from a mystery team, remember?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2014 17:21:07 GMT -5
Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. WMB can platoon with Drew and make our lineup not suck when Farrell insists on giving Napoli and Ortiz their "scheduled off-days". Carp is the one who gets thrown away. Carp has to go for JBJ anyway. Drew would become the backup 2B. Look, the Red Sox want to give WMB one last shot being an every day player and want to give Xander a shot of being an every day SS. That doesn't include him playing on the short side of a platoon, even if Farrell actually plays him at all. The plan hasn't changed less than 3 weeks into the season. Drew isn't getting signed or he already would have been.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2014 17:23:22 GMT -5
Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that every decision this team makes needs to revolve around future HOFer Will Middlebrooks. Who one of these days will be able to say healthy and hit for for more than five minutes at a time, I'm sure. Maximizing WMB's value is kinda important. There is a real possibility they get nothing for him in a trade and he goes on to be a 30+ HR guy when there are almost none of those guys playing 3B.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2014 17:24:52 GMT -5
Go read the Drew thread and see 33 pages of this crap saying the exact same things.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 19, 2014 17:35:27 GMT -5
We are just taking in circles
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 19, 2014 17:42:21 GMT -5
Go read the Drew thread and see 33 pages of this crap saying the exact same things. It doesn't make them right or defensible. I bet there's good enough odds among the organization that IF they are worried about blocking anyone, it's more about Cecchini. WMB hasn't hit, hasn't played defense and hasn't stayed healthy. At this point, I think anyone would be okay with him hitting 30+ homers for the Saitama Seibu Lions.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2014 17:44:04 GMT -5
Go read the Drew thread and see 33 pages of this crap saying the exact same things. It doesn't make them right or defensible. I bet there's good enough odds among the organization that IF they are worried about blocking anyone, it's more about Cecchini. WMB hasn't hit, hasn't played defense and hasn't stayed healthy. At this point, I think anyone would be okay with him hitting 30+ homers for the Saitama Seibu Lions. They were ready to let him be the starting 3B this year. He was hitting great in ST. The entire plan doesn't change because he's on the DL for 2 weeks in April.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 19, 2014 17:51:49 GMT -5
It doesn't make them right or defensible. I bet there's good enough odds among the organization that IF they are worried about blocking anyone, it's more about Cecchini. WMB hasn't hit, hasn't played defense and hasn't stayed healthy. At this point, I think anyone would be okay with him hitting 30+ homers for the Saitama Seibu Lions. They were ready to let him be the starting 3B this year. He was hitting great in ST. The entire plan doesn't change because he's on the DL for 2 weeks in April. Bingo. He also started hitting well after he got contacts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 19, 2014 18:05:16 GMT -5
Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that every decision this team makes needs to revolve around future HOFer Will Middlebrooks. Who one of these days will be able to say healthy and hit for for more than five minutes at a time, I'm sure. I believe that WMB will have a very good year. He produced in the minors, had a good introduction to MLB and a tough 'welcome to the bigs' last season. To me he seemed to be making some adjustments in the spring and early going. He is not and will not be a great fielder. Adequate is probably the best one could say but he is the best we have in that dept. currently. Garin, when ready, is no glove man either and he won't drive in as many runs. X is not a great fielder at SS and less so at 3B, at least presently. We will have to accept compromises and growing pains all around. I am on the cusp of sending Bradley down for more seasoning. I certainly value Carp on the bench.....as LH power. Nava is better than he has appeared and works the counts obviously, but I would take Carp over Nava push to shove. I am concerned that when Papi goes the team offense will very sorely miss him. Even at his age, who generates anywhere near that excitement and expectation??
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 19, 2014 18:17:50 GMT -5
Two very good pitched games with Ross catching this week. Coincidence? SSS? Or perhaps we start to see Ross catch more regularly going forward.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 19, 2014 18:39:01 GMT -5
Who are some of you guys going to crap on when Middlebrooks proves you wrong? No one is saying he's a HOF but I'm pretty sure he's a good starting level 3rd baseman, and dirt cheap. But you want to complain about that. A guy gets hurt, like Lackey was a couple years ago, and it's a cacophony of complaints. The same thing is happening with Middlebrooks now.
It's unjustified IMO. It's possible he ends up washing out but I really doubt it. Look at the situation with Trumbo last year, a guy with a similar profile who is older and more expensive. The Angels got 2 starting pitchers in their current rotation out of that deal, including Tyler Skaggs who might well end up a stud.
Right handed power is at a huge premium. And some of you guys want to toss him to the scrap heap.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 19, 2014 19:32:34 GMT -5
Yeah, relegate WMB to the bench, permanently and then throw him away. Smart. Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that every decision this team makes needs to revolve around future HOFer Will Middlebrooks. Who one of these days will be able to say healthy and hit for for more than five minutes at a time, I'm sure. And what, pres tell, would you be willing to pay for that? Because there is the minor inconvenience of having to negotiate a deal to his liking.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 19, 2014 19:35:12 GMT -5
Who are some of you guys going to crap on when Middlebrooks proves you wrong? No one is saying he's a HOF but I'm pretty sure he's a good starting level 3rd baseman, and dirt cheap. But you want to complain about that. A guy gets hurt, like Lackey was a couple years ago, and it's a cacophony of complaints. The same thing is happening with Middlebrooks now. It's unjustified IMO. It's possible he ends up washing out but I really doubt it. Look at the situation with Trumbo last year, a guy with a similar profile who is older and more expensive. The Angels got 2 starting pitchers in their current rotation out of that deal, including Tyler Skaggs who might well end up a stud. Right handed power is at a huge premium. And some of you guys want to toss him to the scrap heap. I agree. I just think its in our boston fan DNA to be overly critical. WMB is a home grown, cheap player with a lot of upside. If we're patient with Jackie, Will, and Xander, I think the benefits could be enormous.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 19, 2014 19:36:27 GMT -5
Two very good pitched games with Ross catching this week. Coincidence? SSS? Or perhaps we start to see Ross catch more regularly going forward. Please stop making sense. "This ain't no
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Post by marrcus on Apr 19, 2014 21:12:12 GMT -5
Orsillo had RS quality starts stat that had them AL leader. At least P' is off to a good start and if they get anything approaching a consistent offense things should begin to look better quickly (even with the occasional lousy play in the field.
I don't know who's been teaching X SS but his body positioning off the first bounce of a grounder looks so poor (even those not hard hit).
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 20, 2014 3:16:04 GMT -5
Some current rankings in all of MLB:
SP: 13th in ERA-, 20th in FIP-, 10th in SIERA, 19th in WPA. RP: 2nd in ERA-, 1st in FIP-, 4th in SIERA, 6th in WPA.
Combined pitching: 8th in ERA-, 3rd in FIP-, 5th in SIERA, 10th in WPA.
Hitting: 23rd in wRC+, 28th in WPA.
Fielding: 22nd in UZR, 20th in DRS.
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Post by godot on Apr 20, 2014 9:04:27 GMT -5
Orsillo had RS quality starts stat that had them AL leader. At least P' is off to a good start and if they get anything approaching a consistent offense things should begin to look better quickly (even with the occasional lousy play in the field. I don't know who's been teaching X SS but his body positioning off the first bounce of a grounder looks so poor (even those not hard hit). For what it is worth, X-Man said he was playing a little hurt the past few games as a result of taking a few hits to the legs from Chicago's hitting. Nothing serious but enough to perhaps hinder his play he suggested. He sat yesterday to give the body a rest from the hits. He admitted that there a few balls he should have had but wasn't able to set right because of the legs.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 20, 2014 9:14:38 GMT -5
I'm all in on Middlebrooks. Not saying he'll be HOF but he was dedicated in the off season to improving, got the contacts and was actually striking the ball pretty well before he blew out the calf. Perhaps the naysayers can give him 100-150 ABs before we trade him for a reliever or a Drew signing or send him down?
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 20, 2014 11:34:04 GMT -5
It doesn't make them right or defensible. I bet there's good enough odds among the organization that IF they are worried about blocking anyone, it's more about Cecchini. WMB hasn't hit, hasn't played defense and hasn't stayed healthy. At this point, I think anyone would be okay with him hitting 30+ homers for the Saitama Seibu Lions. I think the point that jimed was trying to make is that this discussion has been wrung out in every way possible in that thread. Let's not turn another thread into the "Re-sign Stephen Drew?" thread. That one is unbearable as is. Some people don't think Will Middlebrooks is capable of being a starting third baseman for a first division team. Some people do. We can (and have) talk about it until we're all blue in the face but it won't make any difference. And at this point everything that can be said about that topic HAS been said about the topic. Lets find something new to talk about. Like the fact that Mookie Betts now has more strikeouts than walks and last year was obviously a fluke. Lets trade him for the Astros' closer, whoever that is.
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Post by jmei on Apr 20, 2014 16:03:10 GMT -5
Yeah, let's either move all the Drew discussion to that thread or table it entirely.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 20, 2014 16:08:11 GMT -5
Oh, I wasn't trying to stir up that discussion or derail the thread and I think I kind of overreacted regarding WMB. Sorry about that. Let's all move on and be happy.
Until, you know, tonight's game.
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