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Post by elguapo on Sept 29, 2012 14:58:13 GMT -5
I get extra excited about come-from-nowhere stories like Olmsted.
But I worry less about age for a reliever. So his career was derailed 2-3 years -- certainly looks like it's in full swing now.
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Post by klostrophobic on Sept 30, 2012 17:03:44 GMT -5
I guess I agree in general except when you are literally (and rather overwhelmingly) the very best relief pitcher in the entire minor leagues.
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Post by jmei on Nov 3, 2012 18:11:04 GMT -5
Josh Norris @jnorris427 Source tells me former #RedSox farmhand Michael Olmsted, an MiLB FA, has signed an MLB deal with the #Brewers
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Post by yawkeywaybyday on Nov 3, 2012 20:52:32 GMT -5
Michael Olmstead signed with the Milwaukee Brewers who placed him on their 40 man roster.
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Post by yawkeywaybyday on Nov 3, 2012 20:53:24 GMT -5
Josh Norris @jnorris427 Source tells me former #RedSox farmhand Michael Olmsted, an MiLB FA, has signed an MLB deal with the #Brewers Beat me too it, that's a shame. I really would have liked to see him compete against guys like Melancon and Aceves who just were awful last season.
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Post by amfox1 on Nov 11, 2012 11:34:20 GMT -5
Updated 11/11
We currently have 39 players on the 40-man roster.
Locks (29): Starters (5): Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront, Morales Minor league starters (3): De La Rosa, Pimentel, Britton Relievers (7): Bailey, Aceves, Bard, Tazawa, Miller, Melancon, Breslow Minor league relievers (1): C.Carpenter Position players (13): Ortiz (re-signed), D.Ross (signed as MLFA), Ellsbury, Kalish, Middlebrooks, Iglesias, Pedroia, Gomez, Ciriaco, Nava, Saltalamacchia, Lavarnway, Sands
Not locks (10): Starters (1): Stewart Relievers (6): D.Carpenter, Hill, Atchison, Mortensen, Beato, Rosario Position players (3): Sweeney, DeJesus, Valencia
What to do: Add CVaz Drop Sweeney for Butler Drop Valencia for JHaze Drop DeJesus for Fields Drop Hill for Webster Drop D.Carpenter for A.Wilson Drop Rosario for Wright
Keep Stewart, Atchison, Mortenson and Beato for now Do not protect Hassan, Almanzar or Huntzinger
This gives up 24 pitchers and 16 position players on the 40-man roster. There would have to be further spring changes to better balance the pitching/hitting mix.
Given our excess of protectable pitching, it is likely that we will see moves before the Rule 5 draft.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 11, 2012 12:15:36 GMT -5
I like your 40-man amfox1. Do you believe Hazelbaker would be taken? Never have been a big fan of his skill set....primarily because of the K's and inconsistency.
I also think losing Ivan DeJesus may be a mistake.
I would guess before the Rule 5 Cherington will attempt to add some of these guys you mentioned (as candidates for removal) in a trade or two, but otherwise I have no reason to think that David Carpenter and Sandy Rosario have much value for us going forward.
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Post by jmei on Nov 11, 2012 12:30:21 GMT -5
I would keep Sweeney and take my chances with Hazelbaker getting selected. Sweeney is an ideal 4th outfielder and I don't think Hazelbaker would last the year on a roster with his inability to play CF and his high strikeout rate. I might also lose Ciriaco for De Jesus, but I hate Ciriaco with a passion (mostly because the one time I listened to EEI this year, it was filled with idiots wanting them to start Ciriaco at SS next year).
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Post by dcb26 on Nov 11, 2012 12:50:39 GMT -5
I would keep Sweeney and take my chances with Hazelbaker getting selected. Sweeney is an idea 4th outfielder and I don't think Hazelbaker would last the year on a roster with his inability to play CF and his high strikeout rate. I might also lose Ciriaco for De Jesus, but I hate Ciriaco with a passion (mostly because the one time I listened to EEI this year, it was filled with idiots wanting them to start Ciriaco at SS next year). Agree with all of this (aside from the hatred for Ciriaco, but I agree about the massively overrated part.) I'd still like to avoid losing Hill if at all possible, although that's partly sentimental I think - still, he's been untouchable at times. Also, Vazquez and Butler are quickly becoming redundant. I'd be fine with the Sox not protecting Butler if there's any chance Vazquez would be ready defensively to play in the majors in an emergency situation next year.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 11, 2012 16:04:54 GMT -5
Ciriaco did a nice job as a fill in for us this year, but I sincerely doubt he is the "answer" for us at short. With that said, I believe DeJesus can do pretty much everything Pedro C can do and probably get on base more consistently.
I thought Cherington's "Punto" trade was an absolute steal for many reasons. The ONLY player coming back I didn't care for was Loney....and he at least filled the role at 1st for a few weeks.
I'm crazy for Webster and De La Rosa, but actually think Sands and DeJesus will play significant roles also.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 22:39:49 GMT -5
This is How I break it down:
Green is yes, protect from Rule 5 Orange is Maybe Red is no
NEAR LOCKS C Christian Vazquez RHP Allen Webster RHP Alex Wilson
BORDERLINE (Good chance of being selected if unprotected, but not locks to be protected) C Dan Butler RHP Josh Fields OF Jeremy Hazelbaker RHP Michael Olmsted- He is gone already RHP Steven Wright -He is a knuckleball pitcher and I think he can make an impact as a starter as early as next year, considering he pitched in AAA this past year
INTERESTING TOOLS BUT UNLIKELY TO BE PROTECTED 3B/1B Michael Almanzar-I think they should RHP Chris Balcom-Miller RHP Miguel Celestino RHP William Cuevas OF Alex Hassan IF Heiker Meneses
For all I care, to clear room for some of these guys, the sox can dump Valencia, Beato, Stewart, Pimentel, Chris and David Carpenter
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2012 22:47:31 GMT -5
soxfan113, you realize there's no point in protecting a player like Almanzar or Cuevas who stands almost no chance of sticking on a major league roster, right? The former hasn't even played in AA yet and Cuevas hasn't even played in a full season league yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 18:30:02 GMT -5
I listed those as maybe's. by no means are they yes's. i forgot that almanzar is yet to reach AA, and cuevas is far from AA, which should not qualify him a 40-man roster spot
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 12, 2012 20:26:27 GMT -5
The colors confuse me. ;D
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Post by lancect on Nov 12, 2012 21:57:55 GMT -5
I like Fields and intrigued by Wright. I'm concerned that Ben wants to protect Stewart
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 13, 2012 19:32:57 GMT -5
Steven Wright: he as FA eligible, concluding that he resigned for another year. If another team wanted him or he thought, he had his chance. ( Age 28, looks unlikely.) I do not see the signed for another year on the transaction page.
Stewart: already on the 40-man.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 13, 2012 19:41:14 GMT -5
Wright was actually not a free agent. He was already under contract for 2013. We learned that recently.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 20, 2012 10:30:39 GMT -5
According to a report, the Sox will make some roster moves today to accomodate prospects subject to the Rule 5 draft. The team sits at 39 now on the 40 man roster. Barring a trade some decisions will have to be made on veterans on the roster.
It looks like Webster, Alex Wilson and Christian Vasquez are certain to be protected, giving Cherington two cuts to make. Rich Hill and Scott Atchison look like candidates for removal.
I would protect Hazelbaker. If not, some non-contender is sure to grab him looking for another Josh Reddick for the future. Jeremy needs work on cutting down his K rate, but his tools (speed, power) show a lot to offer. Still only 24, a year at Pawtucket to work on pitch recognition could put him in position as a fourth or fifth OF to eventually replace Sweeney or Nava.
Josh Fields is another valuable asset to protect. So BC would have to cut 4 from the present 40 man roster. Should be an interesting day.
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Post by jmei on Nov 20, 2012 10:43:40 GMT -5
Rosario, D. Carpenter, Zach Stewart, and Valencia are guys I'd rather the team DFA instead of Hill and Atchinson.
I would protect Webster, Wilson, Vazquez, and Fields. Butler might not have the upside to be selected or hit enough to stick on a roster (and even if he does, Vazquez should be ready to be the emergency catcher by midseason or so). I think Hazelbaker will strike out too much to stick on a major league roster, especially since he's only had 32 AAA PAs. He's different from Reddick in that Reddick only struck out 15-16% of the time at the AAA level whereas Hazelbaker has never struck out less than 23% of the time at any level of the minors. Also, being 24 and only just reaching AAA is not really age-advanced-- he'll be 25 next year and the median age in the International League is 26.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 20, 2012 11:09:38 GMT -5
I'd rather protect some guys with upside and more options and cut many of these used-to-be-prospects with poor track records.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 20, 2012 13:36:45 GMT -5
There seem to be a lot of guys with no real upside still on the 40 man roster, that I would certainly drop before lets say Pimentel/Britton, who although has struggled, still has more upside.
David Carpenter De Jesus Beato Valencia Breslow Stewart Chris Carpenter Then another spot likely from one of their 3 catchers
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Post by elguapo on Nov 20, 2012 16:46:26 GMT -5
Breslow & Hill are quality, consistent LH relievers at good salaries and I would not like to lose either. There are 15 other scrubs I'd rather see go.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 20, 2012 17:00:43 GMT -5
has to be a trade going on... We should hear something soon, as dadline passed
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Post by jioh on Nov 20, 2012 17:02:55 GMT -5
... I would protect Hazelbaker. If not, some non-contender is sure to grab him looking for another Josh Reddick for the future. Jeremy needs work on cutting down his K rate, but his tools (speed, power) show a lot to offer. Still only 24, a year at Pawtucket to work on pitch recognition could put him in position as a fourth or fifth OF to eventually replace Sweeney or Nava. . Hazelbaker is 25, and is only six months younger than Reddick. He's not another Josh Reddick.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Nov 20, 2012 17:16:27 GMT -5
The deadline is actually 11:59 pm ET. My column was wrong when I said close-of-business.
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