steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 19, 2014 19:39:40 GMT -5
Trey Ball 0.2 5 5 5 2 0 0 9.42 Between Callahan, Buttrey, Ball, and Denney, there's little to get excited about from the 2013 and 2012 drafts (except I suppose, Marrero). * Before the responses, I understand the results are not indicative of their long term progress. You and I got our butts kicked last week for suggesting that results do matter. Don't scout box scores!!! Remember? This is all part of the minor league master plan. Just have faith. HOW can anyone not be excited about Deven Marrero at this point!!!! Few of our prospects have played better this young season. HE should be in our top 10 not Ball!
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 19, 2014 19:55:13 GMT -5
Marrero > Cecchini
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Post by jrffam05 on May 19, 2014 20:33:49 GMT -5
I liked our first round selections in 2012. Marrero was a top 10 pick that dropped for some reason that I can't remember (maybe top 15). I don't think anyone ever considered him a masher but he is basically playing to his expectation. Johnson I liked as a safe pick to rise quickly. He was a little unlucky with the old ball to face trick. Light was my favorite of the group, although he has been a disappointment so far. I read somewhere, on I believe this site, that he supposedly had the best fastball in the draft class.
I'd also say that this board seems to be on the negative side to these selections. I'd say 2 of 3 are panning out so far, which isn't bad. I think we are repeating this mistake with the 2013 guys. Denney really hasn't seen the field yet, and Ball is still adjusting to his professional career. At the time of the draft we really didn't have much to complain about, except that Stewart and Frazier weren't available. Some draft guys had the Sox as the best overall draft. I had Shipley as the best pick at the time, but I would of liked any top 10 ranked pick outside of Moran.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 19, 2014 20:33:52 GMT -5
Ends the game 0-3. I think it should be clear to everyone that switching him to CF has been a disaster.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2014 20:41:30 GMT -5
Ends the game 0-3. I think it should be clear to everyone that switching him to CF has been a disaster. It's clear to the SeaDogs, they've switched him to a position better suited to his talents for the second game. Ortiz' future in doubt. Org guy Brenley catching. 1st game ended after a nearly 2 hour delay. 5-0 final.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 20:47:30 GMT -5
Trey Ball 0.2 5 5 5 2 0 0 9.42 Between Callahan, Buttrey, Ball, and Denney, there's little to get excited about from the 2013 and 2012 drafts (except I suppose, Marrero). * Before the responses, I understand the results are not indicative of their long term progress. You and I got our butts kicked last week for suggesting that results do matter. Don't scout box scores!!! Remember? This is all part of the minor league master plan. Just have faith. One more start for Ball isn't suggesting he should go back to OF yet. Maybe another 30.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 20:47:50 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2014 20:48:10 GMT -5
Marrero with a single, stole 2nd, stole 3rd and came home on an error. Run earned because Welch followed with a single. Betts 0-1. Cecchini had a single, SB and scored. He also started a triple play. Marrero has some catching up, he needs a quadruple play.
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Post by James Dunne on May 19, 2014 20:54:52 GMT -5
Cecchini also has a .414 OBP as a pro, and is eight months younger than Marrero.
It's been fascinating to watch the "new toy" effect play out with Cecchini in the last 14 months. He absolutely massacred the Carolina League last spring, and people were appalled that the national writers didn't have him in the Top 20 overall prospects. Now that he's climbed the ladder, even though he's still playing great baseball, some of his flaws have been exposed and people have gotten strangely negative about him. He's a really good hitter with good bat control and a great eye.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 20:56:27 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is that Ball may have had no business pitching today. They took him out so early that they basically admit that.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 20:57:58 GMT -5
Cecchini also has a .414 OBP as a pro, and is eight months younger than Marrero. It's been fascinating to watch the "new toy" effect play out with Cecchini in the last 14 months. He absolutely massacred the Carolina League last spring, and people were appalled that the national writers didn't have him in the Top 20 overall prospects. Now that he's climbed the ladder, even though he's still playing great baseball, some of his flaws have been exposed and people have gotten strangely negative about him. He's a really good hitter with good bat control and a great eye. He's the opposite of Betts though. He gets more and more exposed as he climbs. Betts punishes pitches more and more as he climbs. I've said it 100 times on these forums, Cecchini either needs a significantly better contact rate or power to make it.
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Post by James Dunne on May 19, 2014 21:00:27 GMT -5
Cecchini also has a .414 OBP as a pro, and is eight months younger than Marrero. It's been fascinating to watch the "new toy" effect play out with Cecchini in the last 14 months. He absolutely massacred the Carolina League last spring, and people were appalled that the national writers didn't have him in the Top 20 overall prospects. Now that he's climbed the ladder, even though he's still playing great baseball, some of his flaws have been exposed and people have gotten strangely negative about him. He's a really good hitter with good bat control and a great eye. He's the opposite of Betts though. He gets more and more exposed as he climbs. Betts punishes pitches more and more as he climbs. I've said it 100 times on these forums, Cecchini either needs a significantly better contact rate or power to make it. I've never seen a player climb the ladder like Mookie has. Even Bogaerts had about a two month adjustment at every level before he turned into a relentless killing machine. It's a totally unfair comparison. Also, if being "exposed" means having a .400 OBP, then Cecchini is a really good baseball player.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 21:03:19 GMT -5
He's the opposite of Betts though. He gets more and more exposed as he climbs. Betts punishes pitches more and more as he climbs. I've said it 100 times on these forums, Cecchini either needs a significantly better contact rate or power to make it. I've never seen a player climb the ladder like Mookie has. Even Bogaerts had about a two month adjustment at every level before he turned into a relentless killing machine. It's a totally unfair comparison. Also, if being "exposed" means having a .400 OBP, then Cecchini is a really good baseball player. I guess that could be true and probably not fair to compare them. But for instance, JBJ had similar #'s at AAA as Cecchini and a lot more power. Look at him now. Caveat - I haven't come close to giving up on JBJ yet. But Cecchini seems way far away given the massive defensive gap between he and JBJ. I think JBJ could easily be a starter for a NL team with his current hitting. I just don't see Cecchini's bat translating to the majors yet. I want the K-rate under 15% and his ISO around .150 before I'll pencil him anywhere into our lineup (because he's going to have to be mostly bat at this point).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2014 21:09:51 GMT -5
Back to back doubles for Mookie (off the wall in left) followed by a line drive gapper for Marrero.
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Post by ericmvan on May 19, 2014 21:16:02 GMT -5
Asauje has 9 BB and a HBP in his last 20 PA. I think it's time to promote him.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 19, 2014 21:18:28 GMT -5
Boy how things can change. 9 months ago Cecchini was so good that he was going to force a trade, and Marrero was a waste of a first round pick..
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2014 21:22:03 GMT -5
I'd personally go with Marrero over Cecchini but that's big time based on 80 SS compared to 50 3B ceilings. That's somewhat unfair to the Cecchini side of the debate but it's baseball.
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Post by klostrophobic on May 19, 2014 21:22:53 GMT -5
This second Portland game is going to end at like 1 AM.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 21:25:59 GMT -5
Let's put it this way, Marrero's ISO at AA not including tonight is .155. Cecchini's was .108 and now .068 in AAA. And Marrero was the guy with 0 power.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2014 21:49:01 GMT -5
Didn't see it but Shaw had a solo.
Britton cost Webster a win then Hernandez cost the PawSox a win. Vazquez 0/5 first his power, now his ave. is free falling.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2014 22:02:51 GMT -5
Betts padding his Iso 2 doubles.
It should be noted that both teams are using extras as starters and that Portland's extra is a whole lot better pitcher than the Met's extra. McCarthy is the pitcher that came out of the rotation when Johnson was promoted and he's throwing strikes. Cuan threw batting practice pitches.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2014 2:15:48 GMT -5
There's a lot to like about Betts, Marrero, Shaw, Swihart and Ramos. Five players near the top of the organizational chart plus the missing in action Coyle. Excellent team and their 'others' aren't too shabby either, Wilkerson is the best of that group.
It's a fun team to watch on TV.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 20, 2014 2:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on May 20, 2014 8:02:47 GMT -5
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