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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 4, 2014 20:21:07 GMT -5
Henry likely done after 8. 22 consecutive scoreless innings. 107/73 2H 2BB 6K
107 pitches, still looked strong at the end but was losing command.
I watched about 3 innings and it seemed like on the fastballs, batters and catcher were reacting more like a sinker than previously.
14GO/4FO
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 4, 2014 20:22:43 GMT -5
Cecchini thought he had a 3-2 walk but the ump rang him up. A vid highlight before the game showed he disagreed with an ump Last night but he wound up patting the guy on the back. And we saw him at Fenway grimace in protest when called out on strikes at Fenway. Obviously he got infused with some of the Jonny Gomes energy.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jun 4, 2014 20:23:47 GMT -5
Owens need the Bucephalus.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 4, 2014 20:29:46 GMT -5
Ok you can see on the log that Alex Wilson has given up a walk and three hits and the Bulls are ahead. But the interesting thing is the wAy that Vasquez had caught two lousy throws to home, spearing one after a crazy bounce and blocking the other
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 4, 2014 20:31:16 GMT -5
Cecchini thought he had a 3-2 walk but the ump rang him up. A vid highlight before the game showed he disagreed with an ump Last night but he wound up patting the guy on the back. And we saw him at Fenway grimace in protest when called out on strikes at Fenway. Adjustment period. Webster done after six, one run. Tommy layne in. Websters performance makes me optimistic about next yeAr but not later this year My last game in this park de la rosa stunk, last summer I thought Webster's command wasn't as good as last time I saw him (2 starts ago ?). He was throwing strikes but not consistently locating. Swihart's 2 RBI single was really a 2 RBI 3Bman fell down.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 4, 2014 20:42:59 GMT -5
Cecchini thought he had a 3-2 walk but the ump rang him up. A vid highlight before the game showed he disagreed with an ump Last night but he wound up patting the guy on the back. And we saw him at Fenway grimace in protest when called out on strikes at Fenway. Adjustment period. Webster done after six, one run. Tommy layne in. Websters performance makes me optimistic about next yeAr but not later this year My last game in this park de la rosa stunk, last summer I thought Webster's command wasn't as good as last time I saw him (2 starts ago ?). He was throwing strikes but not consistently locating. Swihart's 2 RBI single was really a 2 RBI 3Bman fell down. Agree on Webster control.
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Post by onbase on Jun 4, 2014 20:44:36 GMT -5
So who thinks Owens stuff won't work at the MLB level? That's the question, isn't it? How do you answer that before you see them at the next level? Experts can project, stats can tell you what's likely, but it's the batters who decide how good a pitcher is. How in the world does Chris Hernandez ever get a batter out at any level? I can't wait to see what MLB batters can do with that "only" 90-92mph fastball from Owens.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 4, 2014 20:46:17 GMT -5
So who thinks Owens stuff won't work at the MLB level? So you are already going to compare him to a Jason Vargas type?
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 4, 2014 21:08:45 GMT -5
Hmm -- 8 innings tonight, 107 pitches. That's a major league workload.
Henry now at 72 innings for the year. Last year he pitched 135. Figure a possible limit of around 165 this year? That would allow 92 more innings, or about 15 starts @ 6 innings per. Haven't heard much discussion about innings progression recently. Henry is only turning 22 later this summer.
Good to see the GB tonight. Henry has historically been below 1 in GB/FB ratio. To me, that might be more of a red flag for him than the "lack of stuff"
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 4, 2014 21:28:48 GMT -5
Hmm -- 8 innings tonight, 107 pitches. That's a major league workload. Henry now at 72 innings for the year. Last year he pitched 135. Figure a possible limit of around 165 this year? That would allow 92 more innings, or about 15 starts @ 6 innings per. Haven't heard much discussion about innings progression recently. Henry is only turning 22 later this summer. Good to see the GB tonight. Henry has historically been below 1 in GB/FB ratio. To me, that might be more of a red flag for him than the "lack of stuff" Understand the point in general about the ground balls but the fly ratios have never bothered me because he doesn't give up hard contact. Flyouts have pretty consistently been lazy/pop type not line drive screamers even going back to last year.
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Post by jchang on Jun 4, 2014 21:40:12 GMT -5
the knocks on Owens that people have made are 1) lack velocity, 2) lack of control, 3) too many walks. Someone mentioned that the highly successful MLB pitchers wit 90 FB had great control. I am not concerned with Owens FB velocity because he is comfortable throwing it, and batter have great difficulty hitting it (and I believe it is less likely he will end up on the TJ list). Sure, I agree that Owens does not have great FB command, but his walk rate is in part because he was trying to get batters to chase out of the strike zone. Now that he is backing off the SO strategy (a mere 6 SO in 8 IP today) it is still clear that batters can't hit him when he is throwing strikes. My only concern with Owens is his line against lefties. Whatever stuff Owens has obliterates righties, but is only average against lefties. I am imagine at some point, he will have to learn a new strategy for lefties. Given that he is not yet 22, learning new tricks is still possible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 4, 2014 21:48:08 GMT -5
If you go back to the thread from the last time he pitched, I posted a statement from Henry that pretty much stated that the approach you suggest he was trying to accomplish was not what he was doing. In spite of the results, Henry has always tried to pitch to contact.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 4, 2014 22:01:36 GMT -5
Betts goes yard in the 11th to take the lead. 3-6 with a HR and 2 Runs Scored..
Rafael Devers at it again.. 2-3, BB, RBI.. Has 7 RBI in 3 Games.. Batting .545
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 22:07:06 GMT -5
Betts goes yard in the 11th to take the lead. 3-6 with a HR and 2 Runs Scored.. Rafael Devers at it again.. 2-3, BB, RBI.. Has 7 RBI in 3 Games.. Batting .545 Betts to the big show. Devers to Lowell.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2014 23:00:58 GMT -5
Betts goes yard in the 11th to take the lead. 3-6 with a HR and 2 Runs Scored.. Rafael Devers at it again.. 2-3, BB, RBI.. Has 7 RBI in 3 Games.. Batting .545 At this point, I'm finding it hard to believe that the plan with Devers is anything but to get him some games in the DSL before coming back to the U.S. for the GCL. Even if that wasn't already the plan, if he keeps this up, he could change minds.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 4, 2014 23:08:52 GMT -5
Betts goes yard in the 11th to take the lead. 3-6 with a HR and 2 Runs Scored.. Rafael Devers at it again.. 2-3, BB, RBI.. Has 7 RBI in 3 Games.. Batting .545 Devers went 1 for 5 today with an RBI. I think you may have caught the 6/3 box score.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 4, 2014 23:14:27 GMT -5
Rafael Devers at it again.. 2-3, BB, RBI.. Has 7 RBI in 3 Games.. Batting .545 That was yesterday. He was 1/5 today, and is now down to .438 / .526 / .813 in his first 4 professional games. Meanwhile, it took Mookie 11 PA in AAA to get his OPS over 960 (.300 / .364 / .600).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 5, 2014 5:37:54 GMT -5
the knocks on Owens that people have made are 1) lack velocity, 2) lack of control, 3) too many walks. Someone mentioned that the highly successful MLB pitchers wit 90 FB had great control. I am not concerned with Owens FB velocity because he is comfortable throwing it, and batter have great difficulty hitting it (and I believe it is less likely he will end up on the TJ list). Sure, I agree that Owens does not have great FB command, but his walk rate is in part because he was trying to get batters to chase out of the strike zone. Now that he is backing off the SO strategy (a mere 6 SO in 8 IP today) it is still clear that batters can't hit him when he is throwing strikes. My only concern with Owens is his line against lefties. Whatever stuff Owens has obliterates righties, but is only average against lefties. I am imagine at some point, he will have to learn a new strategy for lefties. Given that he is not yet 22, learning new tricks is still possible. Erie's lineup today had 5 lefties, 3 righties and one switchie. .523 OPSA overall. .623 OPSA vs left. .493 OPSA vs right. Against his worst side, he has a lower OPSA than Workman, Ranaudo, Barnes & Webster.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2014 8:33:08 GMT -5
Awesome to live in a AAA town. I didn't stay for his HR though. *grumble*
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 5, 2014 9:11:52 GMT -5
Slight correction.. Awesome to live in a MiLB town of a team that you *like*, especially one that had a farm team located there for nearly 20y before they moved on..
Not the same when you now live in one that has a farm team of another MLB franchise at all.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2014 9:34:57 GMT -5
Slight correction.. Awesome to live in a MiLB town of a team that you *like*, especially one that had a farm team located there for nearly 20y before they moved on.. Not the same when you now live in one that has a farm team of another MLB franchise at all. Well, yeah, but it's awesome when the teams you like come to down. I'm in Durham, where the Rays are the home team. Sucks that this is the Paw Sox' only visit this year. I will say that the ball park is unbelievable and the tickets are so cheap. I paid $15 for those seats, 2nd row behind dugout.
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Post by jchang on Jun 5, 2014 9:57:26 GMT -5
the knocks on Owens that people have made are 1) lack velocity, 2) lack of control, 3) too many walks. Someone mentioned that the highly successful MLB pitchers wit 90 FB had great control. I am not concerned with Owens FB velocity because he is comfortable throwing it, and batter have great difficulty hitting it (and I believe it is less likely he will end up on the TJ list). Sure, I agree that Owens does not have great FB command, but his walk rate is in part because he was trying to get batters to chase out of the strike zone. Now that he is backing off the SO strategy (a mere 6 SO in 8 IP today) it is still clear that batters can't hit him when he is throwing strikes. My only concern with Owens is his line against lefties. Whatever stuff Owens has obliterates righties, but is only average against lefties. I am imagine at some point, he will have to learn a new strategy for lefties. Given that he is not yet 22, learning new tricks is still possible. Erie's lineup today had 5 lefties, 3 righties and one switchie. .523 OPSA overall. .623 OPSA vs left. .493 OPSA vs right. Against his worst side, he has a lower OPSA than Workman, Ranaudo, Barnes & Webster. Last year, Owens line in 20 games at A+ was BA/OBP .221/.393 against lefties with 124 BF. for the 6 games in AA, .158/.289 against lefties with 45 BF. (2012, .361/.489 against lefties 91 BF). Prior to last nights game, 2014 against lefties .256/.347, with 49 BF. So the 15 lefty BF last night at 1H/2BB really helps his line against Lefties. I would say that Owens had already started on a new approach against lefties by the time got to Portland. So we just need wait until there is a reasonable sample size to see how his line looks. It is possible that prior to last year or perhaps 2012, Owens had not faced a sufficient number of lefties to draw meaningful statistical conclusions.
Edit: clarification - perhaps prior 2012, Owens had not faced a sufficient number of lefties who gave him difficulty such that a separate strategy was warranted - just a guess. Also, minor league central updated their stats to include yesterdays game. Owens line against lefties is .211/.308 at 65 BF, this is above EL avg?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 5, 2014 10:43:12 GMT -5
Agree Jimed. Boston has that GCL team at Ft. Myers, but the southern teams don't visit the ones up "north" where I am (Lakeland) and the Tigers have a GCL team, so have to depend (hope) the Sox make the PO, like last year and get to play either the Tampa Yanks, or Lakeland Tigers.
Now, if the Sox would just add back that FSL team after a 20y or so hiatus...
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 5, 2014 11:11:43 GMT -5
Awesome to live in a AAA town. I didn't stay for his HR though. *grumble* Josh Norris @jnorris427 · 12h I have failed many times in my life. Oftentimes spectacularly and publicly. Tonight I left the game before Mookie's HR. My greatest failure.
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Post by jchang on Jun 5, 2014 11:18:18 GMT -5
did anyone get Mookie's HR ball? is it on ebay?
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