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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2014 15:17:59 GMT -5
Ryan Hannable ?@ryanhannable 36s Per @ken_Rosenthal, Sox players led by Pedroia, Lester & Lackey chipped in to charter a plane for Greg Colbrunn's family to get them to CLE.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 9, 2014 15:18:42 GMT -5
He did have yesterday off, and Thurs. I get easing him in, but Lefty going on Weds, sooooooo….. Maybe an injury. No doubt Twitter will let us know as soon as clubhouse opens. He played yesterday and the day before. I know, a two-game streak is not terribly impressive, but this is a guy who was sitting on his couch three weeks ago. Devil's advocate, wouldn't Norris be the sort of guy you'd want to ease him back into a third consecutive game against? I know Drew wasn't on an active roster at this time last month, but he's not like Grady Sizemore where his physical conditioning/readiness is a question. His timing, sure, but I don't think he'd hurt himself trying to play. Anyway, for all that i get frustrated at Farrell for, "playing the backups sometimes" has to be pretty much the bottom of the list. If Drew needs a day, Farrell is going to be a better judge of that than any of us.
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Post by jmei on Jun 9, 2014 15:24:50 GMT -5
Well, Drew said he had been working out and was in game shape and all that, but that's almost certainly an exaggeration. My guess is that he's just sore from ramping up quickly (including extra work in the cages, extra infield drills, etc.) and just needs a blow. I think Farrell likes Drew enough and dislikes Herrera enough that he wouldn't start Herrera without a good reason.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 9, 2014 15:25:05 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting so shocked over a simple statement, pertinent in so many ways? Bogaerts, how the team acted towards Drew from fan/season ticket holder pressure, the media (as usual).. It was destined to happen.
There is the people in the FO calling for bringing up Cechini, leaving RDLR and Workman in the rotation for good all season and getting rid of probably Lester to start with, ending the Doubrant as the #3 he will never be and moving him for any 4A player they can get type.
Those same people are tired of seeing Bucholz look like a legit Ace for 3 months, then an Indy league pitcher for a year. Same with watching a 3b strike out 35% and put up an OBP less than .300 for 2 seasons, despite all the hype. They want another prospect to get a try.
Profit margins, season ticket holders and in a media zone as "hot" as Boston, New York? Trying to win 3-4 extra games is going to win out almost every time, unless there is something more hated to point out as the culprit (cue in Bobby Valentine as a fall guy here) to blame a lousy team, with a AAA like lineup in spots 6-9.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 9, 2014 15:41:16 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 4m Stephen Drew (career .462/.588/.769 vs O's starter Bud Norris) sits; Jonathan Herrera (.091/.231/.091 vs Norris) in Weird. You'd think a guy like Norris would be a perfect pitcher to get Drew going. I didn't address this in my previous post, but if those stats were reversed and Farrell used such a small sample size to start Herrera over Drew, we'd be killing him, right? Just because a small sample fits our preconceived narrative doesn't mean it's ok to throw out there.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2014 15:55:01 GMT -5
I think Farrell likes Drew enough and dislikes Herrera enough Why would Farrell dislike Herrera? He can hit and run, he can bunt, and he obviously plays shortstop waaaaay better than Holt. Seems more like Farrell has a man-crush on Herrera to me.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 9, 2014 15:58:48 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 4m Stephen Drew (career .462/.588/.769 vs O's starter Bud Norris) sits; Jonathan Herrera (.091/.231/.091 vs Norris) in Weird. You'd think a guy like Norris would be a perfect pitcher to get Drew going. I didn't address this in my previous post, but if those stats were reversed and Farrell used such a small sample size to start Herrera over Drew, we'd be killing him, right? Just because a small sample fits our preconceived narrative doesn't mean it's ok to throw out there. I'm not sure people would be killing Farrell -- Drew and Herrera have more plate appearances against Norris than anyone else on the team, one with outstanding and the other with horrible results. Considering Farrell does indeed use such batter vs. pitcher SSS data, I thought it was worth pasting in that Speier tweet. But my main point was that Norris, regardless of Drew's numbers against him, would be perfect for Drew since he's a very mediocre right handed pitcher.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 9, 2014 15:58:58 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp · 1m
Farrell said Drew felt tightness in his left oblique in his last at-bat Sunday night.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 16:03:58 GMT -5
Not doing much to dispel the "brittle/oft-injured" tag in the shortened walk year.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 9, 2014 16:26:37 GMT -5
I think Farrell likes Drew enough and dislikes Herrera enough Why would Farrell dislike Herrera? He can hit and run, he can bunt, and he obviously plays shortstop waaaaay better than Holt. Seems more like Farrell has a man-crush on Herrera to me. This got me thinking. "Holt", being very similiar to Herr Buch"holz" in lettering, is also a german name. Now a master of sport in german is called "meister". So I would like to request a submission that Holt be, heretofore, referred to as, Holtmeister...until he no longer plays with the Red Sox. All those in favor...say "Aye". mgoetze....these references are not intended to slight you or your post...just my poor attempt at humor....and an attempt to instill new dialect into the forum.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2014 16:37:18 GMT -5
Holt is "Proto-Germanic" (per Wikipedia), but more likely an Anglo-Saxon or Scandinavian name. I could get on board with calling him "Meister Holt" though. (Bad news BTW: if you can't pronounce "Buch" you probably can't pronounce "Herr" either. Both involve the kind of gutteral sound that is very hard for people to learn as an adult.)
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2014 16:39:54 GMT -5
GordonEdes Gordon Edes Buchholz to pitch Friday for Pawtucket, Farrell says. Five innings is the plan
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 16:41:41 GMT -5
Ja! Ich ben ein Nockenstößel!
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2014 16:53:39 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 3m 6 out of the last 7 series Phillies have scouted Red Sox.
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 3m 6 out of the last 7 series Phillies have scouted Red Sox.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2014 16:55:25 GMT -5
I have no idea what guidas just said, I am not fluent in Austrian.
Meanwhile, Speier writes:
I stand by my point that if the Sox are giving Drew anything more than $10m, such as guarantees as to where and when he plays, then they are overpaying.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 9, 2014 17:08:49 GMT -5
So they really did sign him because of media pressure.... Palm I really hope this doesn't cause a problem with Bogaerts long term. Gammons also notes in that interview that Boras wants Bogaerts to be their third baseman so Marrero (another Boras client) can eventually take over at SS. Hopefully X gets wind of this and dumps Boras for an agent who will let him sign a 10 year deal. I think this also partially explains the "politics" comment.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 9, 2014 17:15:35 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 3m 6 out of the last 7 series Phillies have scouted Red Sox. Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 3m 6 out of the last 7 series Phillies have scouted Red Sox. Cool, maybe we can get Marlon Byrd.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 9, 2014 17:16:57 GMT -5
The whole "Drogo" thing was nonsense in many ways. But I can't fault the decision makers if they felt it was going to better the team....for the guys who make these decisions..well that's their bottom line and straddling present and future value decision making has got to be difficult.
I am on record as saying it wasn't needed and I still feel that way. SS wasn't the only "problem" that needed addressing
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 9, 2014 17:35:49 GMT -5
I'm not a big Drogo fan but even I would like to seem him in there tonight.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 17:42:17 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 3m 6 out of the last 7 series Phillies have scouted Red Sox. Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 3m 6 out of the last 7 series Phillies have scouted Red Sox. Cool, maybe we can get Marlon Byrd. Hey, if they wanna trade Hamels or Ruiz I'm interested, but really, nothing else there.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2014 18:11:00 GMT -5
Brockstar 4 Lyfe.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2014 18:12:59 GMT -5
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 9, 2014 18:32:12 GMT -5
I just want to reconfirm that I didn't want Drew back for even $5 mil. I would supplement that to even after the loss of a draft pick was not even in consideration would I have signed him in a half year deal for $5 mil.
I get the appeal. It appears Middlebrooks is down for a long time. It just wouldn't have killed us to just go with Holt at 3rd until Middlebrooks comes back. And then make Holt a super sub.
I really didn't think Xander's defense was that bad at SS. I would have left him there and be damm thankful to have one of the top SS in the AL.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jun 9, 2014 18:35:16 GMT -5
Their was no point in bringing Drew back. It was a desperate move, and a waste of money. You dont mess with a 21 year old phenom, let the kid learn the position!!
Go Red Sox!!
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 18:46:05 GMT -5
Can Peavy have a start where he's not giving up a home run?
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