danr
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Post by danr on Jan 11, 2015 12:14:31 GMT -5
Lester had a berrer ERA, ERA+, and WHIP. Their bWARS were identical. Rattling off statistics is nice but perhaps you should try to draw some sort of conclusion from them as well? Identical bWAR should tell you that (a) Price is better on a per-IP basis than Lester (Lester had 27? more IP than Price) and (b) Lester benefited from significantly better defenses playing behind him. I'd make my point better if I typed better, and I think you meant that Price had more IP than Lester. There was no reason for me to write more than I did to make the point I was making. These two pitchers are close enough in ability and performance so that Lester's payday is something that Price reasonably could demand. Certainly, if the Sox could get Price, or any really good pitcher, one year rental or not, for Victorino, it would be very fine trade. Probably won't happen unless Victorino shows in ST that he is back to something resembling his old self.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 11, 2015 12:25:49 GMT -5
Lester had a berrer ERA, ERA+, and WHIP. Their bWARS were identical. Rattling off statistics is nice but perhaps you should try to draw some sort of conclusion from them as well? Identical bWAR should tell you that (a) Price is better on a per-IP basis than Lester (Lester had 27? more IP than Price) and (b) Lester benefited from significantly better defenses playing behind him. David Price led the majors in innings pitched at 248.1 while Lester threw 219.2.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 11, 2015 13:03:12 GMT -5
You can really only make a case that Lester is a better pitcher than Price if you ignore everything about Lester except his 2014 season. And even then I'm not convinced. ERA aside, Price pitched as well or better than Lester in significantly more innings, and if continues to be the ~1.5 BB/9 guy he's been the last couple seasons, he's going to continue to put up those massive IP totals.
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Post by greenmonstah on Jan 11, 2015 14:37:45 GMT -5
I wonder if the trade market will heat up again soon. Maybe go after Hamels if the price isn't too high, and move Craig somewhere for anything.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jan 11, 2015 15:59:41 GMT -5
I wonder if the trade market will heat up again soon. Maybe go after Hamels if the price isn't too high, and move Craig somewhere for anything. According to Nick Cafardo, Red Sox-Phillies haven't talked in a month because RAJ is asking for one of Mookie Betts or Blake Swihart. Peter Gammons reported RAJ is asking for both of them+ and you have to take on the whole contract. So I don't see a deal. Scherzer, Price, Zimmermann, or Cueto are probably more probable at this point and they're not that probable.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 11, 2015 16:09:42 GMT -5
I wonder if the trade market will heat up again soon. Maybe go after Hamels if the price isn't too high, and move Craig somewhere for anything. According to Nick Cafardo, Red Sox-Phillies haven't talked in a month because RAJ is asking for one of Mookie Betts or Blake Swihart. Peter Gammons reported RAJ is asking for both of them+ and you have to take on the whole contract. So I don't see a deal. Scherzer, Price, Zimmermann, or Cueto are probably more probable at this point and they're not that probable. What I want to know is, if that is what RAJ is asking the Sox for, what is he asking other clubs for? If it's anything comparable, then Hamels is staying in Philly, because no one is going to get within the galaxy of satisfying them. Or are the Sox the only team even kicking the tires on Hamels at this point?
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2015 16:32:59 GMT -5
According to Nick Cafardo, Red Sox-Phillies haven't talked in a month because RAJ is asking for one of Mookie Betts or Blake Swihart. Peter Gammons reported RAJ is asking for both of them+ and you have to take on the whole contract. So I don't see a deal. Scherzer, Price, Zimmermann, or Cueto are probably more probable at this point and they're not that probable. What I want to know is, if that is what RAJ is asking the Sox for, what is he asking other clubs for? If it's anything comparable, then Hamels is staying in Philly, because no one is going to get within the galaxy of satisfying them. Or are the Sox the only team even kicking the tires on Hamels at this point? Everyone has told him to go to hell. He supposedly asked for all 3 of Seager, Urias and Pederson from the Dodgers. I'd avoid him like a lunatic walking down the road in a straight jacket.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 11, 2015 20:46:00 GMT -5
During the off-season, Pedroia took a few roids and is playing for the Broncos.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Jan 11, 2015 23:39:14 GMT -5
hypothetically lets say those DD: "we need Scherzer" comments are true and David Price becomes available. Do you think Owens as the center piece could strike a deal?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 12, 2015 1:13:44 GMT -5
hypothetically lets say those DD: "we need Scherzer" comments are true and David Price becomes available. Do you think Owens as the center piece could strike a deal? My opinion, an overpay for a one year rental. If the Sox were inclined to do that, Cueto or Zimmermann would be done already.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jan 12, 2015 1:14:33 GMT -5
hypothetically lets say those DD: "we need Scherzer" comments are true and David Price becomes available. Do you think Owens as the center piece could strike a deal? BC won't give up Ownes for one year of Price. Red sox are really high on Owens.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 12, 2015 3:14:25 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 11m11 minutes ago Same source that gave me the Butler info last week says that a Red Sox trade target is Ottavino from the Rockies bullpen.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 12, 2015 10:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 12, 2015 14:10:43 GMT -5
Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 2h2 hours ago In STL's talks with Lester, indicated willingness to discuss something in $120m range, no higher. Gives some idea of payroll mindset now.
I've said it before, I wouldn't have been happy for the Sox with 6/$135.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 12, 2015 15:45:29 GMT -5
During the off-season, Pedroia took a few roids and is playing for the Broncos. Yeah maybe they should have let Manning play QB though and used Pedroia as a WR or something.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 12, 2015 15:53:34 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 4m4 minutes ago In '13 Henry Rodriguez was 23 and in Reds top 15 prospect lists. In '14 he was apparently out of baseball. Seems like the Sox signed him.
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 5m5 minutes ago Henry Rodriguez, nicknamed The Chicken, was known as a very good contact middle infielder that hit .265/.302/.334 in 700 PA in AAA at 22/23.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jan 12, 2015 15:56:43 GMT -5
Link to Rodriguez going back to just after xmas:
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Post by jmei on Jan 12, 2015 18:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by bosox on Jan 12, 2015 19:30:38 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 11m11 minutes ago Same source that gave me the Butler info last week says that a Red Sox trade target is Ottavino from the Rockies bullpen. Interesting article talking about his slider with credit to Allen Craig. Ottavino link
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 12, 2015 21:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 12, 2015 22:09:29 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 11m11 minutes ago Same source that gave me the Butler info last week says that a Red Sox trade target is Ottavino from the Rockies bullpen. Interesting article talking about his slider with credit to Allen Craig. Ottavino linkInteresting to see his fastball velocity charts last year...looks like he really racheted it up a few ticks over the last couple of months last season. www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=1247&position=P&pitch=FA
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 13, 2015 2:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 13, 2015 2:11:14 GMT -5
I'm sure there'll be a mgoetz bobblehead available soon in the SP souvenir shop.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 13, 2015 3:20:27 GMT -5
@nickcafardo: The Red Sox were one of the teams that attended Alexi Ogando's workout last week.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 13, 2015 8:45:23 GMT -5
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