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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 7, 2012 22:55:16 GMT -5
Dempster turned down 2/25 from the Sox according to Gordon Edes
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Post by welovewally on Dec 7, 2012 23:05:06 GMT -5
Dempster turned down 2/25 from the Sox according to Gordon Edes I think he's looking for a team with a better chance at competing for a playoff spot. Given the moves the Red Sox have made so far I don't think it is reasonable to expect a SP Dempsters age to sign on. Unless its close to Spring Training and no team that he feels is a contender has made him an offer. Then I suspect he would jump at an offer of 2/25 from a team like the Red Sox. |
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Post by elguapo on Dec 7, 2012 23:10:41 GMT -5
Dempster wants 3 years. I think 3 is fine (lower AAV) as he seems consistent and starting pitching is always in short supply so he shouldn't be tough to move if necessary. But for 3 years there may be a better option.
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Post by dcri on Dec 8, 2012 0:11:26 GMT -5
He's too old. The Sox were lucky he turned them down.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Dec 8, 2012 1:06:55 GMT -5
please. I have finally stabilized after the Sweeney breakup. I am content with Nava and Kalish rotating between AAA and BoSox. I do not want any more outfielders. I like having a young .385 winning pct team.
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Post by welovewally on Dec 8, 2012 4:23:21 GMT -5
He's too old. The Sox were lucky he turned them down. agree |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Dec 8, 2012 8:48:07 GMT -5
I suspect any PTBNL could be determined after the Rule 5 draft, so I am predicting a draft eligible player (non-40-man). Sox don't want the player until after he survives the draft. As for what actually happened: - The players traded for PTBNL were basically given away for IOUs - you're over-thinking the Stewart thing. The Sox have trade histories with the Pirates and A's, so those are likely "we'll send you an org guy if you need depth somewhere" PTBNLs. Search the transaction pages - the Sox send one or two guys to the Pirates for a PTBNL or cash every year. This would explain why the Valencia trade terms were slightly different (PTBNL or cash) - there's not as much familiarity trading with the O's. - Again, the Rule 5 draft likely has nothing to do with it (who the Sox will receive anyway). The Sox HAD to get the deals done to avoid putting these guys on waivers and losing them for literally nothing. They had no bargaining power. . NOW I SAY: yeah, I thought it was obvious that the PTBNL was to wait until post Rule 5 ... so that the Sox could see what their situation was. (or be sure the PTBNL did not become a Rule 5 draftee, etc.) PART OF MY "I TOLD YU SO" COMMENTS. Whatever happened to Arqie Bozo? I miss his comedy routine. |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Dec 8, 2012 9:06:02 GMT -5
iakovos and brent. it is true that the proper werd is "enuf". I am outside the SoxNation mainstream. I say go with the team as is. No new pitcher, no new OF, no Drew. We build an impressive AAA squad and then we block them with guys like Drew? The AAA is there only for a rash of injuries. Dat is berry berry stoopit. I just don't understand how a Red Sox fan could watch the past three seasons and not want real depth. Injuries happen, and the last three years have been brutal. Everyone builds their favorite roster in the offseason and plans as if injuries don't happen. I don't see a single MLB ready guy being blocked right now at AAA, unless you want to hand the RF job to Kalish after two lost seasons. Ideally, you build an organization where you create competition at every level and nothing is handed over for simple convenience. Leaving replacement level players as your only depth is how you get consistent top 10 picks. beasleyrock, i do want depth. I am a big depth and redundancy guy. I just want 2 of the 25 roster spots for AAAA position players or not ready guys so the sox can rotate players up and down. I just think many of the AAA players are beyond the point where they need to spend the entire year in AAA. Unless this is our go for the WS year. Pawsox roster is packed with talent. I am looking forward to seeing some of 'em in Boston for a month. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 8, 2012 11:06:47 GMT -5
Would Soriano cost a draft pck to sign? I don't think so. I'd be all for giving him a 1 year deal if there is money left over. Best way to help a rotation is a great bullpen.
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Post by jdb on Dec 8, 2012 11:13:21 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Garrett Jones makes sense for the Sox? He has a career .852 OPS against righties and can play 1B, RF, and LF. A platoon of Jones and Gomes in LF would be pretty productive, and he can back up Napoli at first base when needed. I like Jones but would love Daniel Murphy. He's settled in as the Mets 2B but has played a good bit of 1B, 3B and LF as well in his short career. He would probably be a bit more expensive than Jones and less power but adds some more flexibility. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 8, 2012 11:18:56 GMT -5
Would Soriano cost a draft pck to sign? I don't think so. I'd be all for giving him a 1 year deal if there is money left over. Best way to help a rotation is a great bullpen. The Yankees made him a qualifying offer so yes. |
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 11:51:09 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Garrett Jones makes sense for the Sox? He has a career .852 OPS against righties and can play 1B, RF, and LF. A platoon of Jones and Gomes in LF would be pretty productive, and he can back up Napoli at first base when needed. Jones would be a pretty ideal bench player (basically a lefty version of Sands with a little better defense and more proven MLB ability), but he's coming off a great year and lots of other teams would be interested given the weak 1B market. The Pirates reportedly asked for Taijuan Walker in trade talks with Seattle, who is probably in the top fifteen or twenty prospects in baseball. That's obviously clearly the ask-for-the-moon opening offer, and Jones is a good player, but I wouldn't give up a Barnes or Bradley for a platoon player with poor on-base skills. Maybe if the asking price drops to the Workman/Britton/Jacobs level. |
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 8, 2012 12:26:45 GMT -5
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 8, 2012 12:38:10 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Garrett Jones makes sense for the Sox? He has a career .852 OPS against righties and can play 1B, RF, and LF. A platoon of Jones and Gomes in LF would be pretty productive, and he can back up Napoli at first base when needed. Before the Pirates signed Russell Martin I had proposed a Salty or Lavarnway & Aceves or Morales for Hanrahan & Jones trade. I'd still like to get Jones because we still don't have a 1B in my opinion and he could play the OF if needed. And Hanrahan would of been great in the roll they just signed Uehara for. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 13:18:52 GMT -5
im glad dempster turned down the offer the red sox made him.
anyone hear that the d-backs signed brandon mccarthy on a 2 yr 15.5 million deal? that is less less than half than what victorino got. and victorino is old and declining. i know that mccarthy has injury concerns, but that is nothing for what they signed him for. when healthy, he is productive, and he is only 29.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 8, 2012 14:33:28 GMT -5
im glad dempster turned down the offer the red sox made him. anyone hear that the d-backs signed brandon mccarthy on a 2 yr 15.5 million deal? that is less less than half than what victorino got. and victorino is old and declining. i know that mccarthy has injury concerns, but that is nothing for what they signed him for. when healthy, he is productive, and he is only 29. Different positions. The marjet for Pitchers has always differed from the position player market |
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Post by pbgallag on Dec 8, 2012 16:52:48 GMT -5
im glad dempster turned down the offer the red sox made him. anyone hear that the d-backs signed brandon mccarthy on a 2 yr 15.5 million deal? that is less less than half than what victorino got. and victorino is old and declining. i know that mccarthy has injury concerns, but that is nothing for what they signed him for. when healthy, he is productive, and he is only 29. Different positions. The marjet for Pitchers has always differed from the position player market Different market, but not necessarily in a way that helps your argument. It has become pretty clear that Greinke will get paid significantly more than Hamilton and that Sanchez will get paid more than Swisher. I find it surprising that the Red Sox haven't been interested in guys like Baker, McCarthy, Haren at relatively low salaries. All three combined signed at less than the commitment to Victorino. If the plan was to give Morales a shot, then I wouldn't mind. But clearly that isn't the plan when they are looking at guys like Dempster and Lohse. I would much rather they sign a low-risk, high-reward pitcher like Baker or McCarthy then pay signficant dollars for mediocrity from a pitcher like Dempster or Lohse, neither of whom could be expected to post a sub-4.00 ERA as a Red Sox. |
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Post by dcri on Dec 8, 2012 18:26:50 GMT -5
I agree with jmei on Ellsbury. I can't see him having real value until he shows he is recovered from his injuries and hits for some power again. That could happen in ST, and his value then may go way up. Right now, I can't see the Sox getting a blue chip prospect for him. I could see the Sox getting a mid range SP, giving up a package that included Ellsbury, but not a number 1 or 2 starter.
On a different subject, shortstop. Are the Sox really going with iglesias? Things have been very quiet on this subject for a while, except for an occasional mention that the Sox still may be interested in Drew. Any new thoughts on this?
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2012 19:44:18 GMT -5
Gina Miller @thatsportsgirl Highly placed MLB source tells me the Dodgers are close to an agreement w/ Zach Greinke. This could change but signs point to LA. #dfwsp Mike Petriello mike_petriello Have heard similar report to @thatsportsgirl. Dodgers working on 6/150 for Grienke and its apparently closer than ever. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 8, 2012 19:52:43 GMT -5
We need to develop our pitchers. The prices are ridiculous.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 19:57:56 GMT -5
Mike Petriello mike_petriello Have heard similar report to @thatsportsgirl. Dodgers working on 6/150 for Grienke and its apparently closer than ever. |
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 8, 2012 19:58:06 GMT -5
Can we stop acting all surprised and indignant when Team A asks for Team B's top prospect(s) in exchange for Team A's non-superstar player, please. It's standard operating procedure.
It's more a reflection of the pathetic state of news media than anything.
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Post by remember04 on Dec 8, 2012 20:24:27 GMT -5
Can we stop acting all surprised and indignant when Team A asks for Team B's top prospect(s) in exchange for Team A's non-superstar player, please. It's standard operating procedure. It's more a reflection of the pathetic state of news media than anything. Sometimes its insulting the other GMS intelligence and a stupid waste of time to start insanely high then get counter offered insanely low and let this stupid little dance go on forever. My used car is for sale I'm asking for a million dollars and then you counter with twenty five cents. Is this really how things are done in MLB? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 21:11:09 GMT -5
We need to develop our pitchers. The prices are ridiculous. that is true. with the cost of pitchers on the trade and FA market, the best way to get them is to draft and develop them |
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 8, 2012 21:21:06 GMT -5
Gina Miller @thatsportsgirl Highly placed MLB source tells me the Dodgers are close to an agreement w/ Zach Greinke. This could change but signs point to LA. #dfwsp Mike Petriello mike_petriello Have heard similar report to @thatsportsgirl. Dodgers working on 6/150 for Grienke and its apparently closer than ever. Awesome. The Dodgers are going to be fun to watch this year. 6/$147 for Greinke, he's going to be fantastic out there. Still waiting for the "big move" Ben hinted at towards the end of the meetings. Though, at this point, I'm almost tending towards a Reverse Beckett (i.e. the Myers deal), rather than pursuing mediocrity with what else is on the winter shelves.... |
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