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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 20, 2014 22:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 21, 2014 7:09:12 GMT -5
3 first round picks going today; Ball, Johnson and Barnes.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 21, 2014 10:46:01 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing but I just noticed something that is completely baffling. Jose Vinicio was ranked by MLB.com as our number 18 (!) prospect coming into this year, following a season in which he put up a .481 (!) OPS while repeating Greenville.
That's not even the best part. His ranking by MLB going into last season? 19!!! He actually rose in their esteem after having about as bad a season as you'll ever see a pro player have.
I was looking at his page because when I saw that he played in the GCL yesterday I assumed he had been demoted and not that it was a rehab assignment. I didn't even realize he actually got the bump to Salem this year, so I guess in fairness to Mayo and Co. the Red Sox weren't completely discouraged either by his offensive output last year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 12:05:45 GMT -5
GCL won 5-4 behind a strong performance by Jose Vinicio. He's now batting .600.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 21, 2014 12:36:40 GMT -5
Robby Scott making the start in the 2nd game of the Portland DH today.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2014 13:05:26 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing but I just noticed something that is completely baffling. Jose Vinicio was ranked by MLB.com as our number 18 (!) prospect coming into this year, following a season in which he put up a .481 (!) OPS while repeating Greenville. That's not even the best part. His ranking by MLB going into last season? 19!!! He actually rose in their esteem after having about as bad a season as you'll ever see a pro player have. I was looking at his page because when I saw that he played in the GCL yesterday I assumed he had been demoted and not that it was a rehab assignment. I didn't even realize he actually got the bump to Salem this year, so I guess in fairness to Mayo and Co. the Red Sox weren't completely discouraged either by his offensive output last year. Vinicio was not ranked in MLB.com's top 20 when they updated it. Trust me, we'd have called Callis out on it when we had him on the podcast. This was their list at the beginning of the year, released in March. They have not updated it except for the graduations of Bogaerts and Bradley, with Shaw and Mercedes now 19 and 20. 1 Xander Bogaerts 2 Henry Owens 3 Jackie Bradley 4 Allen Webster 5 Blake Swihart 6 Garin Cecchini 7 Mookie Betts 8 Matt Barnes 9 Trey Ball 10 Anthony Ranaudo 11 Manuel Margot 12 Christian Vazquez 13 Rafael Devers 14 Brian Johnson 15 Deven Marrero 16 Wendell Rijo 17 Bryce Brentz 18 Cody Kukuk 19 Teddy Stankiewicz 20 Jamie Callahan EDIT: After looking at their archive, the #18 ranking was pre-2013, which was still quite aggressive. He was #15 pre-2012. |
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 21, 2014 16:06:56 GMT -5
I was going off of the little blurb beneath his stats on his MILB player page. I guess that info isn't reliable.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 21, 2014 16:26:46 GMT -5
I was going off of the little blurb beneath his stats on his MILB player page. I guess that info isn't reliable. Probably as reliable as the scouting reports on soxprospects.com: accurate when they were written but who knows how long ago that might have been. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 16:31:19 GMT -5
Johnson just gave up a monster HR then a single after being upset about a third pitch ball call that would have gotten him out of the inning. 3-1 Dogs on a bases loaded double by Chester.
Weird double play. Coyle deep fly to right, RF fell down but caught the ball anyways. Not sure what Marrero was thinking but he was easily doubled off first base. The ball was easily catchable.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 21, 2014 16:54:44 GMT -5
I was going off of the little blurb beneath his stats on his MILB player page. I guess that info isn't reliable. Probably as reliable as the scouting reports on soxprospects.com: accurate when they were written but who knows how long ago that might have been. Is that supposed to be a dig? He's talking about a factual error not something that is potentially out of date. |
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jun 21, 2014 16:58:57 GMT -5
I was going off of the little blurb beneath his stats on his MILB player page. I guess that info isn't reliable. Probably as reliable as the scouting reports on soxprospects.com: accurate when they were written but who knows how long ago that might have been. Well that was unnecessarily dick-ish of you. Maybe thank the hard working people who run this site and don't charge you for it. |
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 21, 2014 17:14:31 GMT -5
Is that supposed to be a dig? He's talking about a factual error not something that is potentially out of date. Well I do think the request that's been up for almost a month now in the meta forum merits a response at least. The way I understood it the bio was just 1 year out of date referencing the prospect rankings... |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 17:18:39 GMT -5
Nice play by Meneses to save a run, Johnson was in a minijam. Johnson throwing strikes.
Swihart with a two out, two RBI single then thrown out when he got himself hung up. 5-1 after 5.
Forgot to mention, Coyle playing 3B with Meneses at 2B.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 21, 2014 17:21:24 GMT -5
Is that supposed to be a dig? He's talking about a factual error not something that is potentially out of date. Well I do think the request that's been up for almost a month now in the meta forum merits a response at least. The way I understood it the bio was just 1 year out of date referencing the prospect rankings... Well you understood wrong. It says he was ranked 18th by mlb.com entering this season. He wasn't. And to the left of the scouting report on every player page is a list of links. These summarize many of the looks the soxprospects scouting team get at these players. You can read these to get a feel for how a player's scouting profile has changed over time. Players' scouting profiles are updated based in large part on the same looks that these articles are about. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 17:38:30 GMT -5
Dogs making more mistakes than you usually see in their games. Johnson with a wild pitch, which is rare but ten Swihart should have gotten the runner. Double pumped then made a poor throw.
5-1 Dogs after 6, Johnson might be done, he usually doesn't throw much more than 90 pitches ( think they are still stretching him out from last year). At 91 now, 62 strikes. 8-1 GO/FO ratio. Had one hard liner to Chester snared for an out.
Wrong Johnson came out for the 7th. Only heard a few radars but he seemed to maintain 91-92 throughout the outing. That's typical although sometimes he'll pop in a few 93s.
final 5-1
Johnson 7 IP 1ER 6H 0BB 4K 1HR 105P/72S 9GO/2FO ERA 1.66
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 21, 2014 18:19:15 GMT -5
In 9 AA starts Johnson has thrown between 5 and 7 innings, allowing between 3 and 6 hits, with 0 to 2 earned runs in every start.
He has either 0 or 1 BB in 7 of the 9 games.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 21, 2014 18:29:46 GMT -5
Kind of interesting point, that Coyle in 2015 could get some MLB time if WMB is moved. He'll be high up on the depth chart for 3b should ?? get injured. Pretty interesting, considering he was fairly well out of the picture, do to all of the injuries he's had up until this season.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 18:32:09 GMT -5
In 9 AA starts Johnson has thrown between 5 and 7 innings, allowing between 3 and 6 hits, with 0 to 2 earned runs in every start. He has either 0 or 1 BB in 7 of the 9 games. Seems obvious he needs to be more consistent and that AA transition was a difficult one, I know wins don't mean crap but his only loss came in a 1-0 game. A stat given by Antonelis which really says a lot, coming into tonight, his strike ratio was 65%. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 21, 2014 18:41:22 GMT -5
Marrero and Swihart (playing DH) start game two off right.
Marrero single
Marrero SB
Swihart RBI single
Swihart SB
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 18:43:53 GMT -5
Kind of interesting point, that Coyle in 2015 could get some MLB time if WMB is moved. He'll be high up on the depth chart for 3b should ?? get injured. Pretty interesting, considering he was fairly well out of the picture, do to all of the injuries he's had up until this season. Just my opinion which doesn't mean diddley but I don't think he has the range or wingspan to be an everyday major league 3B or SS. On the other hand, if he continues to have good ABs and doesn't get hurt again, he'll be a starting major league second baseman in 2015. . . . Barnes on the ropes early. 2nd inning, bases loaded 1 out. |
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jun 21, 2014 19:07:54 GMT -5
Marrero will be the Sox starting shortstop at some point in 2015, and hopefully for a long time after that!
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 21, 2014 19:11:20 GMT -5
Swihart is hot!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2014 19:13:40 GMT -5
Hadn't noticed but I'll take your word for it, on the other hand he has another HR. Mookie extended the streak. Opening walk/SB. Barnes got out of the jam with only 2 runs. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 21, 2014 19:18:27 GMT -5
Mmm.. Not good. Have a feeling you think of him as another Danny Uggla type range wise at 2b that was actually moved to 3b who doesn't have the power of Uggs. Same K's, same lack of lateral movement, same soft hands. Granted, I have watched little MiLB games this season, that's my take on Coyle over the last 2 years though. Little range at 2b and very good hands.. Very slow reactions.
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Post by jdb on Jun 21, 2014 19:19:35 GMT -5
In 9 AA starts Johnson has thrown between 5 and 7 innings, allowing between 3 and 6 hits, with 0 to 2 earned runs in every start. He has either 0 or 1 BB in 7 of the 9 games. He's been very good. I wonder what scouts think and if he maybe has raised his ceiling a bit. |
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