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Buy, Sell, or Wait? (aka the Fire Sale Game Thread)
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 10:29:34 GMT -5
Not surprising, he isn't worth anything. I was more moaning about the suggestion that the Red Sox don't think they're out of it.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 16, 2014 11:02:29 GMT -5
You realize Bleacher Report is just blogger with an advertising circle, right? Like, anyone who posts on the trade proposal subforum could easily create an account there. There is no vetting process. When you see something ridiculous there, it's best to ignore it because most of what's gotten that site its value is clickbait slideshows and ridiculous would-never-happen trade proposals like this one. I don't know if you're familiar with Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of human needs (starting with the most basic): Physiological Safety Love/Belonging Esteem Self-Actualization Making Fun of Stupid Stuff Found Online
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Post by slam761 on Jul 16, 2014 12:50:40 GMT -5
I don't think the Sox should sell yet given their recent improvements and the mediocrity or the AL East, but I think there are a few guys who should be traded regardless because they're easily replaced. Peavy is easily replaceable of course by DLR or Workman, and Gomes is pretty expendable with Hassan posting a .960 OPS against lefties in AAA, not to mention he's been on fire for the last month.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 14:29:46 GMT -5
Shocking news of the day:
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 4m
Apparently finding no trade partner, the Red Sox have released A.J. Pierzynski.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 16, 2014 15:02:39 GMT -5
What can we get for Napoli? I would trade him only if we can get 2 good prospects, Can we move Swihart to first base?
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Post by danr on Jul 16, 2014 15:26:06 GMT -5
If the Sox trade Napoli without replacing him with another thumper, Ortiz will never see a good pitch again and his HR total will drop.
It is too early to consider moving Swihart, who right now is ranked as the top catching prospect in all of baseball. His value as a catcher is considerably higher than as a 1B, considering that he isn't a big time power hitter. Also, Vazquez has to prove himself.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 15:27:21 GMT -5
If the Sox trade Napoli without replacing him with another thumper, Ortiz will never see a good pitch again and his HR total will drop. It is too early to consider moving Swihart, who right now is ranked as the top catching prospect in all of baseball. His value as a catcher is considerably higher than as a 1B, considering that he isn't a big time power hitter. Also, Vazquez has to prove himself. Ortiz was hitting plenty of HR while Napoli was on the DL. Why do you want to move Swihart until we know what both he and Vazquez are capable of?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 16, 2014 15:48:15 GMT -5
Napoli is one of our most valuable trade chips, he is also one of the most important piece we have in 2015. Seeing we are ranked 25th in the league in runs and Napoli is our highest wOBP bat this year just doesn't make sense. Who would we replace him with?
Main reason I would be so indifferent to trading Lester and Lackey is that we have prospects ready to replace him. We don't have that with Napoli.
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Post by danr on Jul 16, 2014 15:49:25 GMT -5
I didn't say I wanted to move Swihart. I thought I said just the opposite.
It was bit of hyperbole to say that Ortiz would never see a decent pitch, but you know that not having a good hitter behind him does affect Ortiz. He says so a lot. And the real impact would be in key situations.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2014 16:17:39 GMT -5
I didn't say I wanted to move Swihart. I thought I said just the opposite. It was bit of hyperbole to say that Ortiz would never see a decent pitch, but you know that not having a good hitter behind him does affect Ortiz. He says so a lot. And the real impact would be in key situations. My apologies, I got dyslexic and read "it is" as "is it".
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 16, 2014 16:23:08 GMT -5
another trade is going down today. BOOK IT... WE just traded for an AAA starter so connect the dots
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 16, 2014 17:48:29 GMT -5
another trade is going down today. BOOK IT... WE just traded for an AAA starter so connect the dots Except that Pawtucket currently has six starters, with Workman and Hernandez sharing a spot via piggyback. If Peavy is dealt and Workman recalled, they're back to par. Now, if there's a second deal (or another pitcher going with Peavy) ...
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 16, 2014 21:03:04 GMT -5
We have 2 weeks before the deadline right? My bet is that Cherrington will hold out for every ounce of value he can get, maybe even to the point in which the train leaves the station before he gets the deal done.
The Athletics are apparently looking for a 2nd baseman. One would think we could maybe help them out in that department. Not saying I'd want to but the option may be there.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 16, 2014 22:10:54 GMT -5
Thanks to Mr. Vazquez, we finally have a full complement of players [batters] with positive bWAR:
P: Buchholz 0.1 C: Vazquez 0.2 1B: Napoli 2.1 2B: Pedroia 3.1 3B: Cecchini 0.1 SS: Holt 2.2 LF: Nava 0.9 CF: Bradley 1.5 RF: Victorino 0.2 DH: Ortiz 1.4
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 16, 2014 23:24:17 GMT -5
I just read according to Max Wildstein and Jen Royle that the final three teams in on Jake Peavy are The Brewers, Angels, and Pirates.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2014 5:47:30 GMT -5
We have 2 weeks before the deadline right? My bet is that Cherrington will hold out for every ounce of value he can get, maybe even to the point in which the train leaves the station before he gets the deal done. The Athletics are apparently looking for a 2nd baseman. One would think we could maybe help them out in that department. Not saying I'd want to but the option may be there. Often times, moving guys before the deadline nets the best return. Waiting doesn't always drive up the price, especially when you are a clear seller.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 17, 2014 23:49:46 GMT -5
My current plan:
Now: Option Mookie Betts, recall Alex Hassan. (This may be in the cards if they had to recall Middlebrooks over the break for procedural reasons, as reported; Betts is really the only guy who could be optioned). Betts plays some RF in Pawtucket, but mostly plays SS and a little 3B. Hassan plays RF vs. LHP with Holt in CF, if he gets a chance.
ASAP: Trade Jake Peavy and recall Steven Wright.
When Victorino comes off the DL (which could be this weekend, actually): Trade Stephen Drew, option Hassan, recall Herrera. Holt moves from RF to 3B, Bogaerts moves back to SS.
When Middlebrooks comes off the DL: Option Herrera. Middlebrooks plays 3B vs. LHP, with Holt in CF, and on various other days where Holt is giving random people a day off.
If they decide to give up, trade Lester, Uehara, Miller, Breslow, Badenhop, Ross, and Gomes at the deadline and recall Ranaudo, Workman, Webster, Layne, Butler, and Hassan; the last bullpen spot would be filled with a player obtained in the fire sale, or by Wilson or Britton. Definitely try to re-sign Uehara and Ross over the winter, probably Miller, possibly Lester.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 18, 2014 9:01:27 GMT -5
recall Wright instead of Webster or Workman? I hate to say it, but I don't think the Sox think Xander is ever going back to SS. I guess we won't know for sure until ST. I would be saddened.
Unrelated game: over/under on last night's PawSox recalled to Boston before Sept set at 4 (not including rehab players.) I say under, though it really will depend on how many guys we trade away, and also on the two rehab guys' progress.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 18, 2014 11:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by dd on Jul 18, 2014 13:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2014 15:24:28 GMT -5
To me Lee seems like a good fit to replace Lester at the top of the rotation. Given his salary most teams can't afford him and maybe the prospects required to get him have fallen off since his injury.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 18, 2014 15:46:43 GMT -5
To me Lee seems like a good fit to replace Lester at the top of the rotation. Given his salary most teams can't afford him and maybe the prospects required to get him have fallen off since his injury. The Red Sox aren't going to take on more salary this year and exceed the luxury tax threshold. So, therefore, you would be looking at trading for a 35-year old Lee in the offseason. Lee is owed $25mm in 2015 and has a $27.5mm option in 2016 which vests with 200 IP in 2015. Lee also has a limited no-trade, which includes the Red Sox, which he likely won't waive without the Red Sox guaranteeing his 2016 season. So, you want to trade for the age 36 and 37 years of Cliff Lee for $52.5mm?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 18, 2014 15:59:58 GMT -5
To me Lee seems like a good fit to replace Lester at the top of the rotation. Given his salary most teams can't afford him and maybe the prospects required to get him have fallen off since his injury. The Red Sox aren't going to take on more salary this year and exceed the luxury tax threshold. So, therefore, you would be looking at trading for a 35-year old Lee in the offseason. Lee is owed $25mm in 2015 and has a $27.5mm option in 2016 which vests with 200 IP in 2015. Lee also has a limited no-trade, which includes the Red Sox, which he likely won't waive without the Red Sox guaranteeing his 2016 season. So, you want to trade for the age 36 and 37 years of Cliff Lee for $52.5mm? and on the DL with elbow soreness for 2 months? Um yeah, that $52.5 million risk is going to take more than 2-3 starts to reassure.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 19, 2014 7:57:06 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 5m
Botox source: by far the most trade inquiry calls have been on Andrew Miller
LOL, I wonder if the "Botox" source is Bobby Valentine.
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Post by jdb on Jul 19, 2014 9:20:10 GMT -5
[/quote]The Red Sox aren't going to take on more salary this year and exceed the luxury tax threshold. So, therefore, you would be looking at trading for a 35-year old Lee in the offseason. Lee is owed $25mm in 2015 and has a $27.5mm option in 2016 which vests with 200 IP in 2015. Lee also has a limited no-trade, which includes the Red Sox, which he likely won't waive without the Red Sox guaranteeing his 2016 season.
So, you want to trade for the age 36 and 37 years of Cliff Lee for $52.5mm? [/quote]
For next year if Lester signs a mega deal for Grenkie money sure I'd like to kick the tires on Lee unless the plan is to punt on 2015 which isn't likely. Lees been hurt this year but six straight 200+ inning season prior and I still think he's a top SP. I wouldn't trade Betts, Owens, Or Swihart for him but nobody's giving up those top 50 guys either.
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